IronyAbounds
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gosh, that injury could really impact Orton's mobility.
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The Arizona Wildcats begin their march to the National Championship tonight against mighty Mount Saint Mary. Just what is needed to put the NFL behind me.You like the Tarheels. You're dead to me.
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Perhaps I'll lapse into depression about the Bills later, but for now, I'm just pissed to high heaven. I'm so damn tired of waiting for next year, which turns into the year after, and so on. I'm pissed they hired a hack coach, I'm pissed the hack head coach hired his butt buddy to be his incompetent OC, I'm pissed they traded the future the a WR who, while very good, is not that much better than the alternatives that could have been had without mortgaging the future, and I'm pissed about another year where the NFL holds no interest for me past early November.
If I want to be depressed, I'll think about the Yankees without Derek Jeter next year - THAT is depressing.
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Excellent points. I don't think you can give Whaley a pass for not making the playoffs this year. I don't care how good they thought Watkins was, they should have known WR was very deep in this draft and not mortgaged the future, particularly given how messed up they should have known the QB situation was. I know messing up 1 round picks is a Bills' specialty, but not having one next year is gonna bite, and even the loss of the 4th round pick hurts. A bad front office can keep a good coach down. When you have a bad front office and a horrible coaching staff, 7-9 is about your ceiling. And one more thing, what is really the aberration: losing to the Chiefs and the Fins, or getting lucky and beating the Bears, Lions and Vikings. This team could very easily be 2-8 right now and staring at a 4-12 season.Whaley spent two first round picks on a WR that is about as good as 4 other rookie WR that he could have got where he was. Now the team is screwed in the draft next year.
Whaley completely missed on the 2nd rounder. The kid can't even get on the field for THIS OL.
Whaley hired Marrone.
That is 3 strikes.
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Cruise: I just want the truth!!!
Nicholson: You want the truth!!! You can't handle the truth!!!!!!!!!!
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Note to Board Administrators: There can never be too many fire Hackett threads. I don't care if the entire front page is various fire Hackett threads, there can never ever be to many, so please do not lock any of them down, not one of them.
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sigh, why do I punish myself for ever having hopes about the Bills' making the playoffs
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Watkins isn't close to healthy, and given the list of rookie receivers they showed earlier, Bills clearly made a bad trade
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F*** it, Marrone has to go along with his butt boy Hackett. This team has playoff talent and little league coaching.
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With Hackett as the OC, I'd say yes. No TDs, wash, rinse repeatIs one TD too much to ask for from the offense?
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It's really quite simple. If the Bills would have screwed up the pick they had in 2014 and the pick they would have had in 2015, its a good trade. If they are competent drafters, it is very unlikely that Watkins, no matter how good, would contribute more to the team than two mid-level first round picks and a fourth round pick. Given their history with the draft, they probably would have blown one or both of the first round picks, so getting one relatively sure thing is probably the best, although as long as the Bills have mediocre at best talent at QB and O-Line Watkins' value at best will be maybe 2 wins a year, which doesn't get the Bills the playoffs.
On the other hand two quality 1st rounders in 2014 and 2015, along with a decent player in the 4th round almost certainly gets you more wins down the road. Football isn't basketball where one player can completely change a team's prospects, there are lots of positions to fill. Megatron is the best there is, and the Lions have made the playoffs exactly once while he has been there (and while they are 5-2 thus far this year, he has been a non-factor). The Bills need to hope AJ Green is a better example, although the Bengals have a better situation at QB and O-Line than the Bills do, and even so they haven't made it out of the WC round.
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so before you see Bryce Brown run for our team you're certain that we would have picked a better player next year in the 4th round. Because.....you know our last two 4th rounders Duke Williams and Ron Brooks have been such game changers for us. Or Ko Simpson, now THERE's someone you don't get everyday.
Ummm, that can be said about most Bills' draft picks.
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Crappy O-Line, Crappy Team - that's a given in the NFL
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In all fairness, he was the best QB in that draft class. He needs time to grow. Look at Stanford for example. Took him three years to finally start putting it together.
It is not clear at all that EJ was the best QB in that draft class, and even if he were/is, at best that is saying someone is the tallest midget. It was a terrible draft for QBs and definitely not the one to waste a first round pick on a QB. Another huge Nix blunder.
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We'll just see about that one. I think he's going to be a star.
Yeah, give Bortles at least 5 years of incredible sucking before comparing to Sanchez.
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I think the only squad Bradford is starting for is the Mayo Clinic city league team.
And wow, I had forgotten that Tebow was a 1st round pick. Boy, what a dumb pick that was.
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By the time the Bills play the Lions, Orton will have been on the roster 5 - 6 weeks. I'm far from convinced that's enough time to learn a new NFL offense.
You lost me when you said Orton had to learn a new NFL offense. A new Hackett offense, yes, a new NFL offense? Very debatable.
In any event, if this weren't the Bills I would argue that the coach would never put Orton in unless he saw good things in practice. However, this is the Bills, so who knows.
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sorry, I'm calling BS on the bolded parts....the NFL is a win now league (in our case, now = 14 years of no playoffs). You don't put a young coaching staff together so that we can hope they " can learn from their mistakes. " This is NOT the way successful NFL franchises are built. And EJ's potential is easily questioned when you see his remarkably poor fundamentals, inaccuracy, and very poor visibility."Learning from mistakes" is something you do with a high school team, not an NFL team.
The NFL is a win now league, but even more importantly, you have to minimize your mistakes with personnel decisions, and the Bills have had a plethora of questionable personnel decisions for quite some time. Look at their No. 1 picks from recent years: Manuel (jury out, but to date CLEARLY not a 1st round caliber QB), Gilmore (jury out to some extent, but again, CLEARLY not a 1st round CB), Dareus (probably the best 1st round pick in a long time, but I don't think he has played to the level of the 3rd pick of the draft), Spiller (flashes of great talent, but CLEARLY has not provided 1st round results for the Bills), Maybin (OMFG, what could they have been smoking before that pick), McKelvin (a very serviceable player for the Bills, but again, CLEARLY not a 1st round CB), and Wood (a decent 1st round pick at #28, not great but certainly not a bust). When you consider that the Bills for the most part have drafted in the upper third of the draft, you'd expect better results if the front office had a clue. It was good for the Bills to trade down in 2013, but the benefits of doing that are kinda lost if you trade down and take a player you could have gotten at a minimum one round later and perhaps even 2 rounds later. One constant problem with the Bills is the OL, so it is rather startling that the Bills haven't used their first pick in the draft for an offensive lineman since Mike Williams in 2002. I guess they were so traumatized by that crapfest they choose not to repeat it.
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Yes, it was a horrible no call, but for purposes of evaluation EJ, look at the throw. It was intercepted by the guy covering Mike Williams. Bad throw and even more so, a horrible play call by whomever called it because it allowed Williams' defender to cover both Williams and Woods. If not interfered with, Woods would likely been closer to the ball but Williams' defender would likely have broken it up if not intercepted. Again, that doesn't absolve the refs for an obvious blown call, but it does highlight the weaknesses of both EJ and Hackett (assuming he drew up and called that play). It was not the place to throw the ball, so EJ isn't left off the hook.
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It might not be the best idea to throw Orton to the Lions in his first game. EJ's confidence is already shot, so let him take his lumps against Detroit and have Orton start, and hopefully beat, the Pats at home.
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That pass route with 2 WRs on the same side going deep. Scrap it. It did not work. EJ is not improving and Hackett is in the same boat. Houston got gouged for almost 200 yards rushing last week. How do you start the game? Passing. Classic coaching over think. It should have been run the ball and grind down the small Texan line. It was a game they could have won. Orton might win but he is a statue and this line will get him killed.
You are right on about that play. Keep in mind it wasn't the guy covering Woods that intercepted. Even if Woods hadn't been interfered with (and it was a clear penalty), the guy who intercepted would have been right there since the guy he was covering was in the same area. Most likely result would have been an incomplete pass. Hackett is inept, EJ is a scared puppy playing in a sport that destroys timidity, and I think Marrone is simply not HC material. Add in a series of questionable 1st round picks and you have what you have, a mediocre at best Bills team.
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Those thinking Orton is some sort of savior seem to be forget that saviors are rarely found in QBs who never established themselves as quality NFL starters. For better or for worse, either EJ pans out or year 15 without playoffs will be here rather quickly. The Bills missed their chances by passing on Wilson, Foles (with the Bills' receivers this year Foles would a perfect fit, and his lack of mobility is not that much different than EJ's since EJ is clearly afraid to run) and perhaps Cousins, and then screwed up by wasting a first round pick on a project QB in a draft that had nothing but mediocre pro prospects.
I am still of the opinion, and it is only my opinion, that EJ looks the part more than he plays the part of a big time QB, and nothing he does stands out as remarkable. It is hard to get excited about a QB whose upper limit is very likely that of a competent game manager and average QB. They can take you to the playoffs, but it just means you have to find a lot more pieces of the puzzle than if you have an above average QB, and the Bills have had trouble finding many pieces to even the simplest of puzzles.
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The guy is right about this week's game against the Texans. The winner will move on in the over-achieving team of the year sweepstakes while the loser will make their team's 2-0 start look like fool's gold. I think this is particularly true for the Bills. A loss against the Texans and the Bills are looking at 2-3 with a game against NE in a game where a loss really would end any reasonable hopes for the playoffs. Going into that game at 3-2 will let the team play much looser IMO, and even if they lose they hit the softest part of their schedule at 3-3.
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In many peoples' minds, apologist means someone who tries to deflect blame from someone or make excuses for that person. Obviously that isn't the correct use of the word. Be that as it may, one thing has remained constant, when EJ has a good game, the EJ is the man apologists use that game as proof he is worth the 1 round pick he cost. When he has a bad game, the EJ sucks apologists use that game as proof he's a bust. All I know is that today the Bills lost a winnable HOME game, never ever a good thing and given their schedule, they really could have used a win today. I also think it is becoming clearer that the question of whether EJ is or is not the man is becoming increasingly less clear, which is not a good thing. The lack of any consistency in downfield throws coupled with a general lack of accuracy is very disturbing however, and the longer those problems remain unresolved, the less likely they will ever be resolved.
Whaley without Sammy
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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I have to laugh at the argument that criticizing the trade is just 20/20 hindsight. Of course it is, because that is how you judge whether or not the GM and staff has a frickin' clue. Even if Whaley would have taken Ebron all that suggests is that Whaley and the Bills' staff are not good judges of talent. Taking Kujo in the second round also suggests a level of incompetence. Now you can counter that with Preston Brown in the 3rd round. The point is, hindsight is exactly how you judge a team's draft and its free agent pickups.