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You do realize where you are right? You have stumbled in to a water cooler conversation at a big company....the same 6-7 guys hang out here all the time - you know the type.....the guys who think they know everything - they are soooo smart - just ask them - or better yet just look at their coffee cup mugs... but in spite of all this vision and greatness they haven't advanced to upper management....they can't believe their intelligence hasn't been noticed and they have become - predictably - "against the mainstream". They find solace in being against things rather than for them, they find it easier to adopt conspiracy theories (after all - their must be a conspiracy to explain why they are not in charge) than to come to grips with the complexities and realities of the landscape. They think there are simplistic answers to the companies complex problems. They think everything that management does is stupid and misguided and offer up constant criticism but no pragmatic or executable solutions. They find solace here at the water cooler - they sit around reinforcing each other with cynical snippets and one liners that give themselves the false confidence of a small crowd of think-a-likes. The water cooler has become much like teenagers with texting - getting that little jolt of reinforcement from their buddies - so they hang out here all the time. You know where you are....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_glacial_period http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glacial_period http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_age

Do you take in information from all sources and form your own opinion and viewpoint.....or do you read posts from a news source that is clearly only going to have one - and only one - stance on an issue and take it as fact?

Who is the "you're" you speak of? I believe when Bush was in office - it was pretty much a bipartisan proposal cobbed up from previous proposals. Likewise - it was rejected by the far left and far right.

You do realize that CNS NEWS source is somewhat misleading with the leading sentence right? The HS did not say or imply that the 11 million have already earned the right to citizenship....he said that they should have the opportunity to earn the right to citizenship. There has not been a recent proposal from the left or the right that does not require a very long and involved process - lasting as long as 10+ years and involving paying penalties and back taxes - for those who are now residing illegally in the States to become citizens - thereby providing the "earning" element.

What do you do all day....? I mean besides chiming in with the same 5-6 like-minded snipers incessantly monitoring a backwater forum in the back of a backwater forum?

The math of this always amazes me. 68 percent of earth is covered by oceans and those levels can be raised by feet due to melting of frozen ice. That.....is alot of water....

Actually I think looking at last season - kind makes more the case that we don't need EJ to be a top 10 quarter back to make the playoffs. I would add to the OP - special teams killed us in two games - probably lost us two games in fact - Cleveland (2-3 long returns) and Cinci (long return in OT that sealed the game). Stevie in 4th quarter NE Stevie and our stone fisted TE in ATL ST Teams - ATL - Cinci Devastated with injuries - (def backfield - CJ, Fred, SJ - Plantar Fachitis safety guy....) Lose ALL our QB's at some point - playing UDFA??? Think of all that. If EJ is competent we are in good shape - if he is top 15 QB - we are 10-6 easy.

Not sure why you feel the need to get personal and attempt to read into my psyche....I have attempted to lay out the facts of the case, the history involved, the Scotus decision, and what it means moving forward. Additionally, I am hardly the only one who forsaw hte coming of the Pabstbetariens. Instead of responding to this structure you decide to try to assasinate my character.....

Does anyone here actually READ and UNDERSTAND these decisions? Yes, prayer has been allowed in public government meetings. The content of these prayers - though - has been limited to general - and one could say - nondenominational language. What the two women were saying as that what was happening in Greece went beyond this boundary. I can see their point. They are lesbian and the Christians have been against their being in many ways - and now they are opening a government meeting in a "Christian" manner. You - and Scotus - have chosen not to see their point - or shrug it off as tough beans - but I do think they have a point. As well - you - and Scotus - have chosen to view these prayers as not "proselytizing". That is your choice and Scotus has determined as such. I disagree. When I am subject to these prayers - it comes across as "proselytizing" (yes I know wtf it means). Likewise - when I see these prayers or convocations in a government meeting - it does - to me - come across as government participation. I know you and Scotus disagree. What this decision has done has removed the "general" or "nondenominational" boundary to these prayers - and additionally - it has taken away any legislative ability to place a boundary on this language. So your local and state govt's don't get to decide what is appropriate for their constituents. I don't go to too many govt meetings - but - as I predicted - this opened the door for more depth and flavor to these prayers - but it has also opened the door for highly motivated religious people like our Pabstbetarien to see this as a battleground and a contest to win. Awesome - the local government meeting is now another place for religious viewpoints to be contested. Pretty simple just to keep them separate - but as you and Scotus see it no harm no foul.

Pretty sure i do.....you are telling me there is not an element of conversion in what these people are doing?

That is kind of how I see anyone who feels the need to proselytize in a government meeting - whether it be Christians, Muslims, Satanists or Pabstists....and now thanks to SCOTUS....game on....and I mean game

Led all rookie receivers in the NFL in yardage (964)...and had 996 in another year.....

Are you serious?

"Who and what religons, sects etc now get to open whatever goverment function for their own specific purposes. This was not a judicious or conservative or safe ruling.....it was a religiously activist ruling. Can't wait for every religon to now try to spead their mission into every local or state meeting.....and the arguements to follow.......simply an awful ruling." First page.....champ

Whaaa....we are in the second year of Whaley.......looks good to me

Fixed the facts - logic still needs fixing Fixed again

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Don't want to say I told you so but..... "Chaz Stevens, who forced Florida Governor Rick Scott to allow him to display an eight-foot Festivus pole made of Pabst Blue Ribbon cans next to Deerfield Beach’s nativity scene has written to the city asking that he be allowed to open a meeting with a prayer to his god. Stevens has converted to Satanism just in time to take advantage of the ruling. Stevens says that his change of faith is just as legitimate as Christianity. “At Christmas, I was a Pabstfestidian. It’s legitimate — it’s based in as much reality as the Catholics. But unlike Catholic priests, we don’t rape little boys.” However, he has converted to Satanism because, “Satan is a cool dude. Think of all the people he’s in charge of. Do you want to be stuck listening to harp music in the afterlife? Hell no. I want to drink beer and hang with hookers.” In a letter written to Deerfield Beach, he formally made his request: Dear City of Deerfield Beach; With the recent US Supreme Court ruling allowing “prayer before Commission meetings” and seeking the rights granted to others, I hereby am requesting I be allowed to open a Commission meeting praying for my God, my divine spirit, my Dude in Charge. Be advised, I am a Satanist. Let me know when this is good for you. Besties Chaz Stevens, Calling in from Ring 6 of Dante’s Inferno” I told you so......let the circus begin!

I kind of like the view "At some point you have to start believing in yourself". With this move - the Bills have done that - which might well be part of the package.......

Comments like that say exactly what your agenda is.... Seriously....Polls? Does the average citizen know enough to sift through 3 years of propaganda to comment or vote intelligently on anything?

What are you talking about...."Living Document" - its a document that gets interpreted ALL the time - call it what you want. In this particular case - Scotus has overturned about 60 years of what is an acceptable "prayer" or "invocation" content in a public government hearing...it was all settled and seemed to work quite well....now they have not only opened the door to a much more LIBERAL interpretation of what is acceptable....they have also removed all checks and balances to what is OK......

TTYT. You are good at arguing...but not seeing others points of view. What is so hard about understanding that if I - or anyone else goes to government meeting - and that meeting is opened with a very specific religious point of view - that I cannot feel that government is establishing that particular religion? How can it not be taken any other way? If one had never been to this country and showed up and went to a government hearing that opened with - pick you religion - a very specific prayer - whelp - without anyone prejudicing your opinion - you would think "Whelp - I guess that - pick your religion - is part of this government" I agree that every court is different. My view is that this current court is a very activist - not conservative - and has a very specific agenda.

Well TYTT, I just don't agree with you or your bullet points or the Scotus decision. I think specific religious acts in a government setting goes past "freedom of speech" and goes into government sanctioning of a religion. I think the decision - and if you read it - are - well bad policy. The Scotus decision bars anyone (gov't entities like state legislatures) from further deciding what is allowed and what is not in these "prayer moments". They took the governor off - I think that is going to lead to trouble. As I said on the page before - The Roberts court is extremely aggressive in their decisions - overturning decades of previous policy that has worked well and as well legislation strongly approved in a bipartisan manner. What is "allowed" in terms of prayer in public government settings has been clearly defined for the better part of a century - and people have seemed to live with it without Issue - now it is open game - all rules are out. Hugely popular - and bipartisan legislation regarding voting and minorities - overturned, Overwhelming bipartisan legislation regarding election funding - overturned. Heck - I even think the basis for the ACA being upheld was suspect. All of these decisions overturning decades of accepted policies, previous decisions, or bipartison and popular legilsation overturned 5-4. I guess they know best..... I will leave you with this: "And whenever you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, so they may be seen by others.....but whenever you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your father in secret, and your father who sees you in secret shall reward you.