The Wiz
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Well that's not a good look.
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11 minutes ago, Canadian Bills Fan said:
OK....now the Diggs trade makes sense
We had to spend that extra 3 million before we could sign this guy for 2/3 of what they have left.
Beane working with government funding. Use it or lose it! 🤣
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1 minute ago, Beck Water said:
You are so full of baloney
I don't know what was said previous to that comment but I would say that is probably true.
We had Diggs and that was about it for 2-3 year, Gabe was good but inconsistent. Had Brown and Sanders and Beasley (Beasley probably being the best of the 3) and Knox.
Having Diggs, with Nico and Dell. Still have Wood for depth and Schultz at TE. I don't think the Bills have ever come close to that amount of talent at offensive weapons other than in 2020 and those were guys barely hanging on in the league, not rookie and 2nd year players.
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Just now, Matt_In_NH said:
This guy is an emotional wreck all the time. It’s like a 14 year old has a job on Wgr
Pretty sure a bunch of the guys there are in their 20's so they have never known bills success until now.
I know Joe Dibiase is like 27 or something like that.
White, Shoop, Bulldog and Sal are the old guys left.
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6 minutes ago, FireChans said:
This is a joke right? Diggs was acting up in TC this past year! He ran the Minnesota playbook to a T.
He tweets cryptic ***** and acts out. This is how Beane knew he was available in Minnesota, and this is how teams knew he was gettable now.
We need to stop deluding ourselves. This didn’t happen overnight. The whole cryptic tweet topic is a referendum on people who need to wake up. Maybe the guy who has now forced his way off two teams with weird comments and weird behavior DID IT ON PURPOSE.
Not really. Yes there could have been calls before and Beane probably scoffed at them but when they were sitting at 6-6 and about to change OC's, then the calls sounded a bit more reasonable is all I was getting at.
I know it didn't happen overnight, it started 2 years ago when they extended him and Diggs probably felt like he was "untouchable" within the organization.
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2 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:
Beane said in his presser we received other calls, even last yearI'm guessing those calls started coming in when they changed to Brady as OC.
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28 minutes ago, NoSaint said:
to be fair you are using 30 year old valuesthat said, I’d give quite a bit for a $25-30m wr on a rookie deal for 4 years, whichever guy that may be.
I very well could be but kind of assumed that the NFL being set in their ways used the same grading system from then. I don't know which is the latest and greatest for comparing draft picks. Never was something I have cared about.
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2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:
Dean playing
I think the value on that is a little off.
Assuming this years picks (1700 for p5 and 660 for p28). And also assuming the futures are the last pick value of the round (590 and 270), that value is 1520 to 1700.
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2 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:
Or, it's because you still have to pay for the player you don't have anymore while going out and getting another one. It's money you flushed down the drain with no return. In other words, you could have had Diggs for free had you just kept him and it would have saved you $3m.
They are going to go out and add players in the draft either way and were going to have to pay for them. It's 3m extra on this years cap. Not that big of a deal to be honest and it's not like they were going to go out and find someone better than anyone currently on the team for that amount of money.
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Just now, Warriorspikes51 said:
why is everyone acting like we're taking an additional 31 million? It's an additional 3-4 million hit. That's it.
Because most people don't know how the cap works.
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2 minutes ago, Mango said:
DB taken at 28 confirmed
Come on, you know they are going to trade up first and take a DE.
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1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said:
I mean I guess they could see it as more ammo to move up, but a 2nd next year is worth like a 3rd this year, so it doesn't give us that much more ammo to move up, and we lost 2 more picks too in the trade. So if that is the case, it really isn't moving the needle that much. In fact, I think I would rather have 2 second round picks next year then waste that chasing a rookie in what is a very deep WR draft.
just to clarify, only one of those picks is this year. The other is a 2025 pick.
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2 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:
So move on to top 10 to get one of the big 3 WRs - what’s that cost?
This years 1 and next years gets them to around 11 or 12 I believe.
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Well, that for sure tell you they are trading away next years 1st rounder to move up this year.
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5 minutes ago, Warcodered said:
Pretty much guarantees he was the one driving it, not just because he was the only one that was supposed to, but come on you rent that car you're the one that's going to ***** drive it.
Also just incredible that he seems to somehow be practically responsible on both sides of this race he was most definitely driving the rented car and owned the other car, and what are the odds that this went something like "Hey I rented this fast car can you drive my car and we can race?" if it wasn't the entire purpose in the first place.
So in this scenario, was he Cole Trickle or Rowdy Burns?
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Paying for the car, going into a "rehabilitation seminar" (2 hour sit-in seminar that amounts to nothing), taking a defensive driving course and getting suspended for 1 game is my guess as the punishment.
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1 hour ago, mrags said:
I didn’t know about those players because I don’t follow those teams. But here I am on a Bills message board for hours a day arguing and conversing with people. I also have a Bills app that updates and notifies me when any move is made and official. It doesn’t have to be earth shattering news. I never said it was. I was simply arguing the fact that you, or whoever the hell said it was a done deal when in fact it was not. It was not until a few hours after you or whoever else said it. For the facts of the argument, at the time, it was not confirmed. Now that is a whole different argument. And of course I look foolish. But if we had assumed he was signed and then all the sudden he wasn’t, it’s a different story. And for the record I never denied that he would be signed, or doubted it. I would rather just wait until the facts are out there. And I wouldn’t have spent nearly as much time trying to rile you up or prove you wrong like you are doing here. as it turns out, you’re right. He signed. Yay for you.
and my argument about a depth position of need has been argued over and over. I’m not getting into it again. Yes we needed depth at DT, but I don’t agree with the move. I’ll leave it at that.
I don't follow those teams either. I also don't follow the Ravens or Tennessee but know that they signed Henry and Ridley, respectively. Why? because they were big money signings that were reported by the media. This signing is a depth signing and doesn't move the needle one bit for me and apparently drops it lower for you but it does fill a position of need. In terms of cost, it wasn't even newsworthy. If you think that proving you wrong was my intention just to say I" told you so" then you completely missed the point.
I'm not riled, I'm not trying to prove you wrong. I just have no history to go on with why you think he is a bad signing but for some reason, to you, it's a bad signing and the only thing I have to go on from what you have said in this thread is his age. Would it have been better to sign a younger player that produced less than him?
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3 minutes ago, mrags said:
Actually. Long story short is, I disapproved of the move 3 days ago. When the rumor was put out there that he was signing.
someone (and I don’t remember who, nor do I care, could have been you for all I know) made a comment that he was signed. When it was NOT IN FACT confirmed by anyone other than another player on Twitter. Not by league officials. Not by the team. Not even by Johnson himself.
Well it wasn't me 3 days ago, I only posted that today that he was signed and again, not sure why a player signing (I'm assuming 1 year vet minimum) is hardly earth shattering news in the NFL. Did you know that Justin Scheffer was cut from the Falcons? Or that Rasheem Blackshear resigned with the Panthers?
I sure as hell didn't until I just looked up the transactions for today.And again, I don't see why it's a bad thing to add depth at a position of need prior to the draft.
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3 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:
The difference between the 3rd and 4th, in terms of draft value is a mid 4th rounder. Basically the NFL took, the equivalent of the 117th pick away from the Bills.
Those are the rounds that Beane tends to leverage the best though to get teams to move with them.
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1 minute ago, BillsFanForever19 said:
I think the smart move is to stay pat at 28 or Trade down a little bit from there to try and pick up a 3rd or another 4th that we can use to get back up into the 3rd.
My guess is, if this happens, Baltimore or KC is going to jump us again to get a player we want like they did with McDuffie and hopefully Beane isn't gun-shy about going to get the guy even if it cost him and extra pick or 2.
Yes, they can turn that 3rd rounder into something to move up in the 2nd round but they are going to be looking at the bottom of the 2nd tier barrel for WR if they don't get one in the first round (and they don't actually need to use that pick but to move up from 60 to low 40's it might cost them close to that or a combo of picks later on).
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1 minute ago, WotAGuy said:
Trading next year’s high picks sounds like a good idea until next year when you realize it wasn’t worth it and you need that pick back.
The draft, even the first round, is too much of a crap shoot to trade future picks. The idea is to keep finding Matt Milanos and Terrel Bernards and make the best of your high picks each year.
The Bills might try to get back into the third this year, but I don’t see them using next year’s picks to do it.
I'm all about them trying to find a "diamond in the rough" but I don't think any of the top 3 WR's are near the same as when we moved up to get Watkins. I get the feeling that is probably a thing that is causing most people to be weary of the idea of moving up. But if 2 (1's gets you in that sweet spot. I'm assuming other late round picks will be included). Why not go for broke and get one of the top 3 WR's in the draft and a future Diggs replacement that you don't have to worry about paying for 5 years?
Could even toss a little spice on it and say trade up in the 1st round (for next years 1st and a 4th this year) and down in the 2nd assuming the 1st was a top flight WR and the 2nd rounder was Polk and gained a late 2nd and another 4th. Interested then?
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8 minutes ago, WotAGuy said:
If anything, it will be third or lower. Their trade ammo is all lower rounds picks.
Not if you include next years picks.
I think this is the year it happens and are going to take a swing and move up a bunch in the 1st or 2nd or both just to get something that give them immediate returns on the field. Not gonna say which picks and I know they don't like bargaining the future but I think it's about time they take a swing and see what happens.
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9 hours ago, mrags said:
Yet I haven’t seen it confirmed by the team or the nfl. Or espn. Or Wikipedia.
still doesn’t take away from the fact that we’re old at the position.
4 hours ago, mrags said:Yup. Finally acknowledged by the Bills. 3 days later.
1 hour ago, mrags said:The point was if the Bills haven’t announced it it’s not official. To say it like it was happening might have been correct but just like Von saying he’s recruiting players like Hopkins and OBJ and none of it Happened. So just wait until the team official announces it before we assume anything.
It has nothing to do with it being official or not official. You comments prior were clear that "they signed an old guy instead of getting younger" and "no one else has confirmed it". Just because you haven't seen it confirmed by whoever it is you trust doesn't mean that it's not happening. We aren't talking about Aaron Donald here, or OBJ or Hopkins. This is a vet min guy that we are adding as a rotational piece. Kind of surprised they didn't break into march madness or the opening day of baseball for a guy that is getting a 1yr/1.2m deal.
Long story short:
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Does Beane have a trade with Schoen Lined Up???
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Feel like it's pretty much not going to happen with NYG.
If they want to replace Jones and a QB is there that they like, they are taking him.
If they don't want to replace Jones and a WR is there that they like, they are taking him.
Even if you offered the farm for the pick, all that means is that they get a bunch of picks with no immediate help for the team at QB or WR and Schoen and Daboll are out of a job if they don't produce with the guys that are left.
If they stay at the pick and take a QB, that give them a little flexibility for retaining their jobs. Waiting until next year would be a huge L for them.