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Agree, they were not the issue, but giving up that many first downs and yards is an issue. (eats clock when your offense needs the ball). The D was good in the first half, what happened. Why so many first down conversions for PIT?

I don't think the OP is overreacting to one game. I think there are several suggestions, including the OPs. Others include running the ball more, we appear to be better at run blocking, and it's easier to block when the D does not know what you're doing. It does appear we will need to fix the OL with in-roster moves. Our rookies luckily look like they can play, so lets get the best 5 lineman out there.

I thought it was bad, but it was like 2 different halves. Per NFL.com, "The Steelers scored 23 points after trailing 10-0 at halftime. On their last four drives, they generated 231 yards and 13 first downs after opening the game with 22 yards and three first downs on their first 14 plays (6 drives)." I have no idea, wondering what everyone else thinks. The Steelers are not an elite offense by any means (Ben did not hit anyone over 20 air yards), and they started 4 new offensive lineman. As much as Daboll is rightfully taking flack for his game planning, what happened to the D?

they lost two big contributors from their secondary in Nelson and Hilton. They are not elite back there yet. Lets see what other teams do.

yeah, that is funny actually. I was arguing against the win-loss metric there, but yeah, I see how that comes across as a discombobulated argument. I think we actually agree, this offense needs more balance to sustain long term success. So far, I'm not seeing it. It's like Daboll thinks he can change the NFL by abandoning RBs. You can't--not long term. I can tell you that in PGH, people think he is awful in-game. I'd disagree, but he makes puzzling TO calls sometimes.

Answer to highlighted portion: (1) calling someone a "troll." Good teams do have issues against elite D's, most adjust, Daboll trots out the same pass crazy offense and expects different results (see below, with facts for you). The Tenn circumstances should have impacted Tenn, not us. They were the ones without practice. In terms of KC, our WR's were banged up, and we proceeded to try to throw the ball on KC all game (9 rushing attempts by running backs). Not a great plan by Daboll. Baltimore: another 9 rushing attempts by RB's. Indy: 10 rushing attempts by RB's, 11 by Josh Allen. I could prob go back further. The total abandonment of the running game (not JA scrambles) is a recipe for disaster against D's and DCs who can stop the pass, particularly the more often you do it. Good teams that put up numbers against good defenses generally are more balanced. Note that Tampa had 28 RB rushing attempts against KC, despite having the arguable GOAT at QB, and a bevy of great receiving options.

your talking win-loss, I'm talking offensive game play. Pittsburgh: bad team when we played them, they coasted to 11-1 on cupcakes, then imploded. LA: That was a good offensive game v. a good defensive team. SF was banged up I believe when we played them. Indy, again, not a great offensive game. Balt: Same, not good on offense. AZ: We lost. My point is, Daboll's playcalling fails at important times against good teams. The one dimensional offensive stuff is not sustainable. Agree, or no. Really doesn't matter to me if you do or not.

you are clearly the one trolling here, and are the one who is trying to make this personal. I said they had problems with those defenses, and they did. You have done nothing to refute those arguments (in fact, in 2 of those games Allen was the leading rusher, not a sustainable formula). And how a defense is ranked overall is not an indicator of where it is when we are playing them. I.E. the 49ers were banged up last year when we played them, and Pitt was on a decline that anyone could see, what would have happened if we had PIT week one last year?? And we lost to KC and Tenn in the regular season, in EMBARASSING fashion. And what words did I "put in your mouth". I asked if your position was that Daboll was a good playcaller, particularly in important games against good teams. (the RAMS, who traded their QB, and a Tua led Dolphins team appear to be your counterargument here). They have won a total of 2 playoff games, neither in dominant fashion, and then got brutally exposed in the AFC Championship game, and again today. 1. Tampa, who subsequently destroyed KC, would disagree. 2. We were embarrassed by KC. Our offense was awful, and we got no where near Mahomes. 3. Tenn had COVID issues, that should have been the unprepared team. As I recall, they didn't even practice much before the game. 4. Our D was okay against a Balt, offense was passable.

Singletary averaged 7.7 yards per carry. Running, or screens, also take some heat off the pass rush, giving Allen more time. Our OL is also better at run blocking, and not having them pass block all game is helpful. he did seem to be uncharacteristically staring down certain routes. I wasn't aware we had that many guys open. That's maddening, and something you'd think Daboll would point out in-game?

ok, then in important games. Did they not choke against KC twice?. They did. Also awful against Baltimore last year in the playoffs, and against Tenn in the regular season. Come out against a great PIT defense today (that was missing one of it's best players in Tuitt, btw) and again were awful. And I'm not trolling, are you going to be here all week like the offense is fine and Daboll is a good play caller? Is that your position?

Daboll. 100%. Might be the worst OC in the league. He can put up crazy numbers against average D's, but totally flops against great Ds. It's a problem. We played a top 3 D today and got spanked with our one dimensional offense. I think Gabe is a great WR, btw, who could take over a game. Just hard to be running routes all game and taking over when the d knows your doing it. Josh did looked stressed. Dude needs to see a sports psychologist ASAP. NHL goalies do this I believe, NFL QBs should. He should also be forced to watch what calling running plays does for the offense. I agree brining Williams back was a great move by Bean. But Ford is not developing, neither is Boettger. It was more "hope" for a better OL outcome this year. I also blame part of the OLs issues on the lack of TE passing and running the ball. Pass blocking all game and having the DL know what your doing gives it an advantage.

I think the Steelers have something equally as awful. I'm not sure why we have this. Couldn't they sell tickets where these guys sit?

well, he might be if he can't reign in the OC and make better in game decisions. This is turning into a 90's Dolphins/Marvin Lewis Bengals situation. Beat average teams, lose to anyone playing at an elite level.

Daboll and McD appear to have their "off days" against elite D's. Trend is horrid.

yeah, Daboll will suddenly be a "genius" again according to the media and anyone who hasn't watched him against actually good D's.

as we should be. CLE and KC both look better coached and more balanced. Plus KC is missing a few key players.

agree. The NFL officiating is generally bad all around, IMO. Too many missed calls everywhere and total lack of consistency as to what gets and does not get called. I'm fearing we will become, at best, those 90s Dolphins.

MCD should be on a short leash this year. His decisions on who to sit and play are bizarre, his in-game management is bizarre, and letting Daboll call horrid plays is ridiculous. Sit your #2 back for a numbers game for ST. WTF. You need a balanced offense. So if Singletary got hurt is Brieda and Jones? I'd say we got lessons, but it's like Daboll and McD NEVER LEARN. A lot of these are the same lessons from last season, esp. the KC game.

totally agree. You basically described what Championship teams have. We don't have that. Hopefully something happens and one of the rookies or AJ breaks out, but I'm not sure what's up with the OL.

his point is that the loss is even worse given the head to head tie breaker.

Hopefully that was Daboll's last time calling plays on offense. Have Dorsey call the plays. Have McD call the plays. Have anyone else call the plays. Daboll can only beat up on average Ds.

I'm not sure we don't think we can't run the ball, or if Daboll just won't run the ball. ??

we needed 7 on that initial kickoff, but cute Daboll came out for a show. It was downhill from there, with cute Daboll making reappearances at inopportune times including 4th downs.

good point. But at least CLE is scoring and has a balanced offense. Hey, who's that Wyatt Teller dude, didn't he play here? Gee, don't we need guards? Thanks Bean.

I'm giving Daboll a short leash after this game and others. He simply is incapable of having a balanced attack, which you need against high caliber Ds. I'm less worried about Josh given the fact the D line was in his face all day, and they only rushed 4. I'm more worried about our terrible OL.