RochesterKen

I think the people who do those rankings are likely 25 year old interns .... really ! I usually look at the Jeff Sagarin rankins for most sports ... done by computer ... maybe not perferct but find them a LOT closer. Bills are #24, just ahead of Washington, Cinny, St. Louis. They are just behind Cleveland, Detroit, Oakland and Minnisota (within 3 points either way) The first 14 games are not as important as this Sunday .. would be a great game to win ...and a great way to bust the NE hot air balloon !! GO BILLS !

Fritz is my starter next year ... and I would prefer we not waste a pick on a QB this year. My thoughts: When the season started, I figured a 4 win season at best, with many of the games complete blowouts. I can't imagine anyone looking at the schedule could see us winning more than one division game, maybe one from Miami. Then the other games, like Pittsburgh, Baltimore, GB, Minn, Chicago, ete. Many figured to be 33-3 games. What happened is we got a throwback QB in Fritz. He reminds me at times of Kelly ... wants to hit someone, not afraid, not always pretty, but giving 110%. And look at his receivers, we were not very good to start, Evans and Parrish out ... yet we have found and developed some new players who have been exciting at times. Running game as been OK, at yimes even good. Line has been patchwok but showing signs of hope. Are they better than last year, maybe, but at least they are easier to watch ! We held Pisstburgh and Baltimore to a standstill ... and has Pittsburh beat. So .. I say ... give him a chance .. what we need is a D that can stop the run, some secondary that might ACTUALLY pick off a pass, harass a receiver, make some hits. We NEED a pass rush ... We finally have a HC, a QB we can live with ... lets get some D !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Its amazing how people don't let the facts get in the way ! Rian Lindell ranks 26th ALL-TIME in FG percent at 80.132%, in his 8 years in Buafflo he has hit 82.1%, which would rank 10th all-time ... fairlt crappy numbers for sure ... seems like they are LUCKY he decided to stay actually ! His 8 years in Buffalo 330 of 331 extra points ... one miss .. sure looks like he is losing it ! 00-19 yards, 2 of 2 20-29 yards, 81 of 87 30-39 yards, 63 of 70 90% 40-49 yards, 51 of 80 63% 50 plus 17 of 30 56% As a point of reference, Adam Vinatieri numbers, his 10 years in NE 00-19 yards, 8 of 8 20-29 yards, 129 of 134 30-39 yards, 113 of 135 83% 40-49 yards, 88 of 124 70% 50 plus 10 of 21 47% Looks like Rian's numbers are darn good ... can't speak to "pressure kicks" not sure for a kicker there is every a non-pressure kick ... but since you were so off on his abilities, will assume that is off also. Both the kicker and punter are not the problem that some lineman and better D would not fix.

Play to win ... you get paid to play, play ... if you go thru life looking for a handout (like we need to lose to get a #1 pick) .. that says loser all over it.

Fat lady singing ... the Buffalo Fight song !!

Whos the new guy???? Somebody called Dante !

Come on ... hold them to 3 ! Better yet ... stop them !

If we score enough the D can't lose the game ... right???

Trent, is that you??? Instead of complaining about Fritz, complain about the lack of D week in week out. I would rather watch Fritz lead and try vs what we have had the last two years, checkdown and make SAFE 2 yard passes, unless you like that kind of thing ... personally .. he's a start as far as I am concerned .. fact is .. they just took the lead as I was typing this .. Will they win? Well they are the Bills .. so not likely .. but at least its a watchable entertaining game ... ! GO BILLS

He better start ... as soon as they hit the mid way point and are 1-7 ... need see him for 8 games .. see what he can do ... winning is not as critical as seeing if we have a good backup or at least a semi starter so we can draft some who can start at some point.

Some names from the past 10 years rosterd - my pics in bold of people worth considering: 2000 Buffalo Bills Head Coach: Wade Phillips To be listed, a player must have played at least one game for the team during this season. T Ethan Albright WR Avion Black T/G Ruben Brown RB Shawn Bryson T Jon Carman S Keion Carpenter WR Kwame Cavil K Steve Christie TE Bobby Collins C Bill Conaty LB Sam Cowart T John Fina DE Erik Flowers QB Doug Flutie LB Jay Foreman CB Donovan Greer DE Phil Hansen T Robert Hicks S Raion Hill CB Ray Hill LB John Holecek CB Ken Irvin TE Sheldon Jackson QB Rob Johnson LB Fred Jones S Henry Jones DT Leif Larsen FB Jonathan Linton WR Jeremy McDaniel P Chris Mohr LB Corey Moore RB Sammy Morris WR Eric Moulds T Jamie Nails LB Keith Newman G Jerry Ostroski G/C Joe Panos LB DaShon Polk CB Daryl Porter WR Peerless Price DE Shawn Price TE Jay Riemersma LB Sam Rogers RB Antowain Smith T T. Marcus Spriggs S Travares Tillman QB Alex Van Pelt NT/DT Ted Washington CB Chris Watson DE Marcellus Wiley DT Pat Williams CB Antoine Winfield LB Kenyatta Wright 2001 Buffalo Bills Head Coach: Gregg Williams To be listed, a player must have played at least one game for the team during this season. K Jake Arians WR Avion Black DB Lance Brown T/G Ruben Brown QB Travis Brown RB Shawn Bryson T Jon Carman S Keion Carpenter RB Larry Centers CB Nate Clements C Bill Conaty LB Sam Cowart FB Philip Crosby S Tony Driver DT Ron Edwards T Kris Farris T John Fina DT Bryce Fisher DE Erik Flowers LB Jay Foreman WR Reggie Germany K Shayne Graham DE Phil Hansen C Craig Heimburger RB Travis Henry S Raion Hill G Corey Hulsey CB Ken Irvin TE Sheldon Jackson T Jonas Jennings QB Rob Johnson LB Fred Jones DT Leif Larsen WR Jeremy McDaniel P Brian Moorman RB Sammy Morris WR Eric Moulds LB Keith Newman DE Kendrick Office TE Dan O'Leary G Jerry Ostroski LB DaShon Polk WR Peerless Price DE Shawn Price S Pierson Prioleau TE Jay Riemersma DT Tyrone Robertson DE Aaron Schobel LB Brandon Spoon T Marques Sullivan S Travares Tillman C Morris Unutoa QB Alex Van Pelt CB Chris Watson DT Pat Williams CB Antoine Winfield LB Kenyatta Wright 2002 Buffalo Bills Head Coach: Gregg Williams To be listed, a player must have played at least one game for the team during this season. DE/DT Chidi Ahanotu DT Justin Bannan QB Drew Bledsoe S Jason Bostic CB Ahmad Brooks T/G Ruben Brown RB Shawn Bryson RB Joe Burns RB Larry Centers CB Nate Clements C Bill Conaty FB Philip Crosby LB Anthony Denman DE Ryan Denney S Tony Driver DT Ron Edwards LB Greg Favors LB London Fletcher CB Marcus Floyd TE Cory Geason RB Travis Henry K Mike Hollis T Mike Houghton DE Grant Irons S Billy Jenkins T Jonas Jennings WR Charles Johnson TE Brady McDonnell TE/FB Dave Moore P Brian Moorman RB Sammy Morris WR Eric Moulds LB Keith Newman DE Kendrick Office LB DaShon Polk T Marcus Price WR Peerless Price S Pierson Prioleau WR Josh Reed TE Jay Riemersma LB Eddie Robinson WR/RB Charlie Rogers DE Aaron Schobel LB Dominique Stevenson T Marques Sullivan T/C Trey Teague CB Kevin Thomas LB Ula Tuitele QB Alex Van Pelt CB Chris Watson T Mike Williams DT Pat Williams CB Antoine Winfield S Coy Wire 2003 Buffalo Bills Head Coach: Gregg Williams To be listed, a player must have played at least one game for the team during this season. DT Sam Adams WR Sam Aiken DT Justin Bannan QB Drew Bledsoe WR Antonio Brown T/G Ruben Brown QB Travis Brown RB Joe Burns TE Mark Campbell CB Nate Clements WR Clarence Coleman FB Philip Crosby LB Angelo Crowell DE Ryan Denney C Jon Dorenbos DT Ron Edwards LB London Fletcher FB Sam Gash LB Mario Haggan RB Travis Henry T Jonas Jennings DE Chris Kelsay K Rian Lindell CB Terrence McGee DE Keith McKenzie S Lawyer Milloy TE/FB Dave Moore P Brian Moorman RB Sammy Morris WR Eric Moulds TE Ryan Neufield LB DaShon Polk DE Jeff Posey T Marcus Price S Pierson Prioleau G Mike Pucillo WR Josh Reed S Izell Reese DT Lauvale Sape DE Aaron Schobel WR Bobby Shaw CB Dainon Sidney RB Ken Simonton G/T Ben Sobieski LB Takeo Spikes LB Josh Stamer LB Dominique Stevenson T Marques Sullivan T/C Trey Teague CB Kevin Thomas G/T Ross Tucker QB Alex Van Pelt T Mike Williams DT Pat Williams CB Antoine Winfield S Coy Wire 2004 Buffalo Bills Head Coach: Mike Mularkey To be listed, a player must have played at least one game for the team during this season. DT Sam Adams WR Sam Aiken DT Tim Anderson CB/S Rashad Baker DT Justin Bannan TE Brad Banta QB Drew Bledsoe RB Joe Burns TE Mark Campbell CB Nate Clements LB Angelo Crowell DE Ryan Denney C Jon Dorenbos DT Ron Edwards TE Tim Euhus WR Lee Evans LB London Fletcher CB Jabari Greer WR Drew Haddad LB Mario Haggan RB Travis Henry T Jonas Jennings DE Chris Kelsay K Rian Lindell QB J. P. Losman QB Shane Matthews T Dylan McFarland RB Willis McGahee CB Terrence McGee S Lawyer Milloy P Brian Moorman WR Eric Moulds TE Ryan Neufield T/TE Jason Peters DE Jeff Posey T Marcus Price S Pierson Prioleau G Mike Pucillo WR Josh Reed S Izell Reese DE Aaron Schobel WR Bobby Shaw FB Damion Shelton WR Jonathan Smith G Lawrence Smith LB Takeo Spikes LB Josh Stamer T/C Trey Teague CB Kevin Thomas TE Rod Trafford G/T Ross Tucker C/G Chris Villarrial CB Troy Vincent T Mike Williams DT Pat Williams RB Shaud Williams S Coy Wire 2005 Buffalo Bills Head Coach: Mike Mularkey To be listed, a player must have played at least one game for the team during this season. DT Sam Adams WR Sam Aiken G Bennie Anderson DT Tim Anderson CB/S Rashad Baker DT Justin Bannan RB Joe Burns TE Mark Campbell TE Brad Cieslak CB Nate Clements LB Angelo Crowell DE Ryan Denney DT Ron Edwards TE Tim Euhus WR Lee Evans LB Liam Ezekiel LB London Fletcher G Mike Gandy CB Jabari Greer LB Mario Haggan QB Kelly Holcomb DT Jason Jefferson G Greg Jerman DE Chris Kelsay CB Eric King S Jim Leonhard K Rian Lindell QB J. P. Losman T Dylan McFarland RB Willis McGahee CB Terrence McGee S Lawyer Milloy P Brian Moorman WR Eric Moulds TE Ryan Neufield WR Roscoe Parrish T/TE Jason Peters DE Jeff Posey C Duke Preston WR Josh Reed DT Lauvale Sape C Mike Schneck DE Aaron Schobel FB Damion Shelton WR Jonathan Smith LB Takeo Spikes LB Josh Stamer T/C Trey Teague C/G Chris Villarrial CB Troy Vincent T Mike Williams RB Shaud Williams WR George Wilson S Coy Wire 2006 Buffalo Bills Head Coach: Dick Jauron To be listed, a player must have played at least one game for the team during this season. WR Sam Aiken DT Tim Anderson S Matt Bowen T Brad Butler TE Brad Cieslak CB Nate Clements LB Angelo Crowell WR Andre' Davis DE Ryan Denney LB John DiGiorgio LB Keith Ellison WR Lee Evans TE Kevin Everett LB London Fletcher C Melvin Fowler G Mike Gandy CB Jabari Greer LB Mario Haggan DE Anthony Hargrove DT Jason Jefferson DE Chris Kelsay S Jim Leonhard K Rian Lindell QB J. P. Losman DT John McCargo RB Willis McGahee CB Terrence McGee G Aaron Merz P Brian Moorman TE Matt Murphy TE Ryan Neufield WR Roscoe Parrish T Terrance Pennington T/TE Jason Peters C Duke Preston WR Peerless Price WR Josh Reed T Tutan Reyes TE Robert Royal C Mike Schneck DE Aaron Schobel FB Damion Shelton S Ko Simpson LB Takeo Spikes LB Josh Stamer RB Anthony Thomas CB Kiwaukee Thomas DT Larry Tripplett C/G Chris Villarrial CB Troy Vincent S Donte Whitner DT Kyle Williams RB Shaud Williams S Coy Wire CB Ashton Youboty 2007 Buffalo Bills Head Coach: Dick Jauron To be listed, a player must have played at least one game for the team during this season. WR Sam Aiken DT Tim Anderson DE Copeland Bryan G/T Brad Butler CB Jerametrius Butler T Kirk Chambers TE Brad Cieslak LB Blake Costanzo LB Angelo Crowell DE Ryan Denney LB John DiGiorgio G Derrick Dockery QB Trent Edwards LB Keith Ellison WR Lee Evans TE Kevin Everett C Melvin Fowler CB Dustin Fox TE Michael Gaines CB Jabari Greer LB Mario Haggan DE Anthony Hargrove LB Kevin Harrison RB Fred Jackson DT Jason Jefferson WR Justin Jenkins LB Leon Joe DE Chris Kelsay S Jim Leonhard K Rian Lindell QB J. P. Losman RB Marshawn Lynch TE Tim Massaquoi DT John McCargo CB Terrence McGee P Brian Moorman TE Matt Murphy C Ryan Neill TE/FB Ryan Neufeld WR Roscoe Parrish T/TE Jason Peters LB Paul Posluszny DE Eric Powell C Duke Preston WR Peerless Price WR Josh Reed TE Robert Royal DE Aaron Schobel FB Derek Schouman RB Josh Scobey S Bryan Scott S Ko Simpson LB Josh Stamer RB Anthony Thomas CB Kiwaukee Thomas DT Larry Tripplett T Langston Walker CB Jason Webster S John Wendling S Donte Whitner T Jason Whittle DT Kyle Williams S/WR George Wilson S Coy Wire RB Dwayne Wright CB Ashton Youboty 2008 Buffalo Bills Head Coach: Dick Jauron To be listed, a player must have played at least one game for the team during this season. FB Darian Barnes DE Copeland Bryan LB Marcus Buggs G/T Brad Butler T/G Kirk Chambers CB Reggie Corner LB John Corto LB Blake Costanzo DE Ryan Denney LB John DiGiorgio G Derrick Dockery QB Trent Edwards DE Chris Ellis LB Keith Ellison WR Lee Evans TE Derek Fine C Melvin Fowler CB Dustin Fox CB Jabari Greer WR James Hardy RB Fred Jackson WR Justin Jenkins DT/NT Spencer Johnson WR Steve Johnson DE Chris Kelsay LB Teddy Lehman K Rian Lindell QB J. P. Losman RB Marshawn Lynch DE Corey Mace DT John McCargo CB Terrence McGee RB Corey McIntyre CB Leodis McKelvin LB Kawika Mitchell P Brian Moorman C Ryan Neill RB Xavier Omon WR Roscoe Parrish T/TE Jason Peters LB Paul Posluszny C Duke Preston WR Josh Reed TE Robert Royal DE Aaron Schobel TE/FB Derek Schouman S Bryan Scott S Ko Simpson DT Marcus Stroud T Langston Walker S John Wendling S Donte Whitner T Jason Whittle DT Kyle Williams S/WR George Wilson CB Ashton Youboty 2009 Active # Name Pos. Ht. Wt. Age Yrs. College 4 Brohm, Brian QB 6-3 223 24 2 Louisville 73 Chambers, Kirk T 6-7 315 30 5 Stanford 27 Corner, Reggie CB 5-9 175 26 2 University of Akron 57 Corto, Jon LB 6-1 220 25 2 Sacred Heart 92 Denney, Ryan DE 6-7 264 32 8 BYU 52 Draft, Chris LB 5-11 234 33 11 Stanford 5 Edwards, Trent QB 6-4 231 26 3 Stanford 93 Ellis, Chris DE 6-4 261 24 2 Virginia Tech 83 Evans, Lee WR 5-10 197 28 6 Wisconsin 14 Fitzpatrick, Ryan QB 6-2 225 27 4 Harvard 29 Florence, Drayton CB 6-0 195 29 7 Tuskegee 61 Gaddis, Christian OL 6-1 300 25 1 Villanova 10 Hamdan, Gibran QB 6-4 220 28 3 Indiana 63 Hangartner, Geoff OL 6-5 301 27 5 Texas A&M 84 Hardy, James WR 6-5 220 24 2 Indiana 47 Harris, Cary DB 5-11 187 22 R USC 54 Harris, Nic LB 6-2 232 23 R Oklahoma 62 Incognito, Richie OL 6-3 324 26 5 Nebraska 22 Jackson, Fred RB 6-1 215 28 3 Coe College 17 Jenkins, Justin WR 6-0 207 29 3 Mississippi State 91 Johnson, Spencer DT 6-3 286 28 6 Auburn 13 Johnson, Steve WR 6-2 202 23 2 University of Kentucky 35 Johnson, Todd DB 6-1 204 31 6 Florida 90 Kelsay, Chris DE 6-4 261 30 7 Nebraska 87 Klopfenstein, Joe TE 6-5 262 26 4 Colorado 25 Lankster, Ellis CB 5-9 190 22 R West Virginia 67 Levitre, Andy OL 6-2 305 23 R Oregon State 9 Lindell, Rian K 6-3 233 32 10 Washington State 23 Lynch, Marshawn RB 5-11 215 23 3 Cal 58 Maybin, Aaron DE 6-4 250 21 R Penn State 97 McCargo, John DT 6-2 307 26 4 NC State 38 McIntyre, Corey FB 6-0 258 30 5 West Virginia 69 Meredith, Jamon OL 6-5 304 23 R South Carolina 8 Moorman, Brian P 6-0 172 33 9 Pittsburgh State 89 Nelson, Shawn TE 6-5 240 24 R Southern Mississippi 81 Owens, Terrell WR 6-3 224 36 14 Tennessee-Chattanoog 59 Palmer, Ashlee LB 6-1 236 23 R Mississippi 11 Parrish, Roscoe WR 5-9 178 27 5 Miami (Fla.) 51 Posluszny, Paul LB 6-1 238 25 3 Penn State 76 Ramsey, Andre OL 6-5 322 22 R Ball State 82 Reed, Josh WR 5-10 210 29 8 LSU 65 Sanborn, Garrison LS 6-0 240 24 R Florida State 94 Schobel, Aaron DE 6-4 243 32 9 TCU 43 Scott, Bryan S 6-1 219 28 7 Penn State 79 Scott, Jonathan OL 6-6 318 26 3 Texas 50 Stamer, Josh LB 6-2 242 32 7 South Dakota 99 Stroud, Marcus DT 6-6 310 31 9 Georgia 88 Stupar, Jonathan TE 6-3 254 25 1 Virginia 21 Wendling, John S 6-1 222 26 3 Wyoming 20 Whitner, Donte S 5-10 208 24 4 Ohio State 95 Williams, Kyle DT 6-1 306 26 4 Louisiana State 37 Wilson, George S 6-0 212 28 4 Arkansas 26 Youboty, Ashton CB 5-11 189 25 4 Ohio State Practice Squad # Name Pos. Ht. Wt. Age Yrs. College 72 Duncan, Rashaad DT 6-2 315 23 R Pittsburgh 42 Hall, Bruce RB 5-11 205 24 1 Mississippi 98 Harvey, Lonnie DT 6-3 342 22 R Morgan State 74 Hennessey, Nick OL 6-5 291 23 R Colgate 15 Huggins, Felton WR 6-2 186 26 1 Southeastern Louisia 75 Mace, Corey DT 6-3 287 24 2 Wyoming 96 Manalac, Ryan LB 6-0 235 24 R University of Cincinnati 66 Watkins, Jason OL 6-6 325 24 R University of Florida Injured Reserve # Name Pos. Ht. Wt. Age Yrs. College 77 Bell, Demetrius OL 6-5 307 25 1 Northwestern State University 53 Buggs, Marcus LB 5-10 223 24 2 Vanderbilt 60 Butler, Brad OL 6-7 315 26 4 Virginia 31 Byrd, Jairus S 5-10 200 23 R Oregon 56 Ellison, Keith LB 6-0 229 25 4 Oregon State 86 Fine, Derek TE 6-3 247 26 2 Kansas 25 Hairston, Justise RB 6-1 210 26 1 Central Connecticut 18 Hawthorne, C.J. WR 5-11 168 26 1 Hawaii 24 McGee, Terrence CB 5-9 198 29 7 Northwestern State 71 McGhee, Jermaine DE 6-2 257 25 1 Prairie View A&M 28 McKelvin , Leodis CB 5-10 184 24 2 Troy 68 McKinney, Seth OL 6-3 310 30 8 Texas A&M 55 Mitchell, Kawika LB 6-1 253 30 7 South Florida 61 Philip, Marvin C 6-1 307 27 1 California 40 Sargeant, Lydell DB 6-1 187 22 R Penn State 80 Schouman, Derek TE 6-2 223 24 3 Boise State 71 Simmons, Kendall OL 6-3 315 30 7 Auburn 98 Smith, Marcus DE 6-4 295 25 1 Arizona 70 Wood, Eric OL 6-4 315 23 R Louisville

Do not see much to to say either is better than the other .. both play hard .. but I expect Fred to get yards .. with Lynch .. he SHOULD get the yards, but always seems a few shy, with about 3 guys on his back .. for some reason Fred seems to make more miss .. and his struggles seems to get a few extra yards. I vote Fred ...