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Since that was reported at the time of those hires and RB had more pull in the organization when Ralph was owner, I'd say it's likely to be correct. Whaley was almost a " junior GM" of sorts. Most GM pick their HC.
What came out of Pegulas own mouth was that Doug Whaley was the one who conducted the football part of the interview. He was the guy and all those eggs were in his basket. The "football part" would seem to be an important piece of hiring a head football coach to me. People can parse and nuance that anyway they want, obviously.
Also, FWIW, when hiring middle or upper-middle managers, regardless of the business, it is common for the candidate to meet and talk with the management chain-of-command. It's not necessarily a decision made by one person on the team overruling everyone else in the room as some sort of supreme dictator. The word is consensus.
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Do any of us really know that Whaley did not support the hiring of Marrone or Ryan or that they were not his first choice? Seems like there is a lot of information being put out there about the Bills, and much of it seems to be an effort to support a narrative about Whaley not having full say about the hiring of our recent HCs. This is similar to the who drafted EJ and who traded for Hughes arguments. Seems like anything negative about the Bills is attributed to Brandon, the Pegulas and Nix. Anything positive to Whaley. Makes no sense.
It makes sense. If one chooses the certain point of view.
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Maybe I am but if that's the case why isn't Whaley fired also?
I have my suspicions.
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I think that falls at Brandon's feet. He went after Marrone and recommended they hire Rex to ownership after their interview. From what had been reported Hue Jackson was Whaley's choice.
Hiring of the new coach needs to come from Whaley. He needs to succeed or fail on his own. I really hope Brandon and the Pegula's let him do his job and not interfere.
And the chance of that actually happening are ... what?
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Is Whaley still pushing EJM?
Whaley might not get the chance to select the next head coach.
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Brandon hired Marrone and Pegula's Ryan
You're slicing it far too thin. Whaley was deeply, over his head deeply, involved in these hires. You're kidding yourself if you think anything else.
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The Bills have a lot riding on losing this week. The need to let Cardale play and increase their chances of losing. If they lose, they draft 9th. If they win, they could go all the way up to 19th. That's a HUGE difference. Rex was going to play Tyrod. Hence they had to make a move now instead of after the Jets game. Rex forced the Pegulas hand with his statement yesterday to play Tyrod.
Are the Bills the Browns now? Playing the games to intentionally lose? Wow. Just, wow.
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It is kind of nuts that Whaley is conducting the HC search. After Marrone and Rex, you would have thought the Pegulas would retain a consultant to help with them the football side of things.
How many GMs get to hire 3 coaches in 5 years? Not many, that's for damn sure.
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Murph speculates that his doing in had to do with him wanting to start Tyrod this week
What's Murph smoking?
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I think this would be a PERFECT rebound job for Gus Bradley as DC to try to rebuild his reputation. The talent is a fit for what he's done.
Hmm. That probably rules him out then.
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The third speaks to a much greater issue: who's responsibility was it to make sure they had the right package on the field? Rex's? Rob's? Thurman's? Who's actually in charge of the defense at that point?
Complain about individual game-time decisions all you want. In the grand scheme of things, they're minor on their own. What isn't minor is when you create an environment so muddled that it organically causes those decisions, and leads to a team being as woefully unprepared as they were yesterday. That's why he'll be fired, Not because he punted in OT.
Yeah. The Bills sideline looks like a coaching conference. Having 105 assistant coaches might be a few too many.
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Sure got better yesterday with a healthy Woods an Sammy.
Sammy making plays really helps the offense.
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I do like Tom Coughlin. Judy Coughlin likes living in Jacksonville.
Coughlin is a hands-on sort of HC. Makes me wonder how interested he would be in the "Doug's in charge of the 53, coach is in charge of the 46" operation. Maybe he'd be ok with that, but he might also want full control of his roster.
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I don't think it's possible or likely. I want Rex to stay. I was just guessing who the poster above me was referring to.
No one in particular. It would be very Bills-ian to have Whaley gut the roster yet again and start trying to find new players for polar opposite systems. Fits well with the weathervane identity.
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Often forgotten in the multiple Whaley sucks threads...
So what you are saying is that a guy Whaley wanted to keep, who left for more money, and is now being benched is somehow an example of Whaley's drafting and team building prowess?
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It would make a certain sense to bring in a coach who wants to install a Mike McCarthy style offense and a Tampa-2 defense.
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Fills some time on NFL Network.
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the article has nothing to do with critical thinking. His premise can't stand up to simple question like of the draft picks how many play, or how weak was the roster when he started drafting.
Hunh? No one said Graham's article was about critical thinking.
Ad hominem attacking the author and/or his sources is a lack of critical thinking. It's a argumentative fallacy. It proves nothing and isn't persuasive in the least.
The whole premise is flawed when Whaley hasn't been gm long enough to have 66 percent of the roster.The above line is a fiction. The data didn't break down rosters based on partitioning out "regimes" within all the organizations.
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I don't read his column very often. But, the way the research is done, which is something I know a little bit about, is completely biased. Don't know him, don't care too, if someone who worked for me, executed research the way he did in the article, I'd be less than thrilled. He was working like a prosecutor with an agenda. I guess if you think that is his job, you're entitled to your opinion. If I'm on the jury, I disregard the evidence he is presenting.
Interesting. I thought I read a sports article in a newspaper, not a peer-reviewed research paper. Nor did it feel like sitting in the jury box to evaluate a legal case on attorney likability.
I agree that there is a shot-gun blast of nuggets of information presented in the article. Not all of the nuggets are conclusive nor absolute.
What is clear from very title is the article will critique GM Whaley's job performance. I didn't find it at all surprising that the text had a critical tone. As yet another failed season closes, the topic of evaluating this organization, what it does and doesn't do to continue to come up short repeatedly, seems perfectly germane.
Failure leads to criticism. Success to kudos. But agendas are about positioning failures as successes and successes as failures.
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You disagree with his take -- which is cool. I get that and respect it. But it often gets personal with Graham here, and it is freaking tired. As for his preconceived notion, it is that the Bills are an unsucccessful organization that is badly run. That is hardly an illogical take, but there are a lot of shades of gray and it's not as if they're the worst team in the league right now.
Exactly.
The "narrative" that the Bills are an exceptionally unsuccessful is a statistical reality. It's inarguable by objective measure.
Accepting that reality and then asking "Why?" may be viewed as engaged in constructive thinking. Accepting that things aren't being done well, trying to figure out what other successful franchises do and how it is markedly different shows a path forward and orienting towards positive change.
Or it can be framed as the worst, the actions of a terrible clown. There one may define success by squelching criticism and replacing it with enthusiastic cheering.
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Assuming the articles written about Rex being canned at year end are all true, as was questioned here, I do think Rex has been told he'll be gone at year end, or if not outright, reading the tea leaves he knows he's gone. So what's Whaley supposed to do, support Rex state the articles are all false then fire him in ten days, or even worse, publicly NOT give him a vote of confidence.
If the rumors are all true, I think silence by Whaley makes the most sense. Reading the PFW article, sounds like the Bills are parting ways more as it said they've grown tired of Rex's act than based on actual coaching, so again makes most sense to say nothing.
If the Bills are officially eliminated this weekend which likely will happen, wouldn't be surprised to see them can Rex on Monday as the questioning will be relentless, particularly if Rex has already been told he's done at the end of the year. Maybe that was part of Rex's deal, let me stay until we're officially out of it.
Regardless of the job—it could be dog-catcher—if management knows a guy isn't working out and has made the decision to move on, then the best course forward for everyone is to execute that decision.
The Bills save no money here. They aren't doing Rex a solid by this. Dumping him now or in 10 days wouldn't change that they hired a well-known name coach and only gave him two years. It doesn't wipe the egg off their faces. It just comes off as ... amateur.
Breaking News: Rex Ryan and Rob Ryan Fired
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The "bonus" firing of his brother speaks volumes. Particularly when a general housecleaning could happen in just a few days.