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2 hours ago, Bill from NYC said:
I believe the abve 100%. My point is that I don't think that he had Allen in mind when he traded away the #10 a year earlier. It is impossible for me to believe that he was thinking, "let me pass on Watson and Mahomes because I will draft Josh Allen next year." Too many variables (injury for one) to believe that was the intent.
I appreciate the dialogue with you but I think that I will duck out of this thread, whereas I seem to have struck too many nerves. In the decades I have been on this board I have seen Bills Fans defend virtually every move that I have detested, including starting Alex Van Pelt and drafting Donte Whitner but ya know, why not? It IS after all a Bills Board.
I am sorry to those that I offended with my stance. We will all feel better when Josh takes us to a Super Bowl.
I was not clear enough about the above.
My point was after trading away from one HOF QB, Beanne was lucky to get aother one in the following year and yes, trading up for Allen was a brilliant move, one which I applauded while many complained.
Didn't see this post until after my last response.
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Even though Feliciano's play dropped off last year, overall he was a bargain player that played with lots of emotion. Overall, he was a net plus. With that said, this is just bitterness on his part for losing his starting job.
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13 hours ago, Bill from NYC said:
If you think that they made that trade with Josh Allen specifically in mind, that is fine but imo, highly unlikely. Unlike at least one person in this thread, I do not demand or even expect others to have to agree with me.
The good news is that Josh is a HOF talent and i enjoy watching him grow and excel. Perhaps there will be a day when I look at Bills Management as a paradigm of football excellence. I'm just not there yet, ya know?
I think they made that trade thinking that the 18 draft class was going to give them a better shot at landing their franchise QB than the pick they traded to KC. Do I think Josh was who they had in mind the whole time? Not necessarily, but from all accounts Josh was someone they liked a lot back in 2017.
They knew they were trading all these players and picks for draft capital for the QB draft class in 2018. I just don't view it as luck that they made all these decisions, including the trade to KC and Sammy and ultimately were able to maneuver themselves from a pick in the 20's all the way to 7 and end up getting their guy. That to me says there was a purpose and they executed that purpose.
10 hours ago, Doc Brown said:I know it was by design as the ‘18 qb rookie class was looked as loaded even a year out. They weren’t specifically already targeting Allen at the time though.
You’re right that Beane had to move to 7 in 2018 to grab Allen. The Cardinals would’ve took him. Beane did a fantastic job in a series of moves to even acquire the capital to jump up to 7. The Cordy Glenn move especially. They didn’t do themselves any favors by overachieving in 2017 but all ended well. Not giving up next year’s first was icing on the cake as we wouldn’t have Oliver. I’m just pointing out that we were lucky in the incompetence of the Browns, Jets, Giants, and Broncos that draft.
Yes, but in reality pretty much every franchise QB that is selected by a team, you could apply this sort of logic and say the majority of teams had some luck in that other teams didn't select them first.
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1 minute ago, Doc Brown said:
We lucked into the Browns, Jets, and Broncos passing on him. A lot of groupthink went into that qb class. I was just as guilty.
Ok, then by that logic the Chiefs lucked into drafting Mahomes. You can make that argument for just about every single QB ever drafted except for any chose as the #1 overall selection.
The Bills purposely traded back so that they would have draft capital for 2018, this was not luck this was by design. They traded up to #7 because they wanted one of the top QB's in that draft class, and by all accounts Josh Allen was someone that they were in love with since 2017.
This was by design.
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46 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:
I thank you for this well thought post and respect the work that you put into it. I do not however think that it applies all that much to McDermott.
The Bills are winning because the lucked into Josh Allen (a HOF talent imo) after trading away the pick for Mahomes, at which time they moved from 10 to 27 with a very small return. To do so, they left the following players on board to draft a cornerback:
Patrick Mahomes
Deshaun Watson
Marshon Lattimore
Marlon Humphrey
TJ WattThis was utter stupidity, although it is hard to guage how much of the blame falls on McDermott. Please don't misunderstand this post. I think that McDermott is a good coach. Now, he did not invent this term "process" of which he speaks, but he did at least co-opt it from a truly great coach.
I guess my point is that although I am satisfied with McDermott, if he didn't luck into Allen ths team would more than likely still suck, and he would have probably been fired by now, good coach or not.
Obviously the above is jmo and I repeat my compliments on your post.
Bill, with all due respect, they did not luck into Josh Allen. Without trading their first rounder to KC and trading other players that were popular with some of the fanbase accumulating draft capital, they would have never have landed Josh Allen. The Bills purposely traded away that pick among other players targeting their franchise QB for 2018 which by all accounts was supposed to be a strong year for QB's.
The Bills did what they did with a purpose and at the end of the day, the trade to KC most likely ended up being the right decision as they ended up getting a foundational defensive piece at a very important position and an elite franchise QB.
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It could be a confluence of factors such as too much juju, weather, etc. One of the beautiful things about Josh is that he just keeps getting better and I don't see why that trend won't continue. I expect the variances in his performance to flatten out this year between the road and home games.
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Maybe if there was some sort of scandal or if he lost the locker room somehow, but the odds of that happening are extremely low.
He most likely will be the coach of the Bills for a very long time.
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I made mention of this a few years ago, every single thing he competes in, he excels. Josh Allen is a unicorn, he can pretty much do everything really well.
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I agree with a lot of it, the only places I'd differ is Araiza and Dodson in blue.
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6 hours ago, elroy16 said:
Elam's ceiling is a bigger and faster Tre White. Having a great and willing leader in White is a perfect situation for Elam.
Shakir makes me think of Robert Woods with some Beasley mixed it. There's a glaring hole at slot receiver, if he can take that over, that's a huge win. They don't need him to be amazing, just get open when you have the advantage and keep teams honest.
By all accounts Elam, Cook, and Shakir are all high quality guys in almost ever sense. They all work hard, have the ability, and could fill huge holes. Very exciting.
Crowder is a quality slot receiver.
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Typically Thursday night games on the road typically are really tough and favor the home teams much more so than normal road games.
With that said, if there was ever to have a Thursday night game, the first game of the year is the best one to have.
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Out of curiosity, does anyone know where Lombardo is hearing the "optimism" on Basham?
I hadn't heard it, not doubting him just that I hadn't heard it from anywhere.
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Shakir is viewed as a slot receiver and sometimes you can find slot gems to slip in the draft. Shakir will end up being a solid quality pro in this league for years to come.
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I would love to have him but I don’t think the Bills will be able to match what he will get on the open market, unless they can get him on a one year deal worth around $8m or less. With Elam and White, I just don’t see them investing too much on another DB beyond 2022.
I think the Bills will get a veteran CB but it won’t be too costly.
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Personally, I think Bernard has a high floor, I think the likelihood of him becoming a player that plays in at least 50% of the snaps in this league are pretty high. Knowing what sort of team leader he is and his passion for the game and his Mental DNA makeup combined with his athleticism he just has what it takes to be an above average player in this league, I think.
I think he is going to be beloved from the Buffalo fanbase in the years to come.
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8 hours ago, ScottLaw said:
They are def a better team just by adding Von Miller…. They will certainly run into problems if the injuries mount at certain positions offensively…. Whereas they could survive the same issues defensively because they have better depth there and they showed last season they can overcome despite losing their best defensive piece…. Wish those were the opposite situations because the teams success more often than not rides on their offenses success.
The offense (Allen) particularly without doubt the engine that drives the team. I agree with the idea of surrounding him with more talent because I do believe it does create somewhat of a multiplier effect in that Allen makes people around him look even better than they actually are.I have been a proponent of adding more offensive talent around him but if you look at the Oline relative to last year it is on paper better than last year or at a bare minimum a push.
The WR room is essentially a wash - out goes Sanders and Beasley and in comes Shakir and Crowder and now a third year player in Gabe who should be better than last year.
Then the RB’s are stronger than last year primarily to the speedy and versatile Cook.
The tight ends are upgraded with the addition of Howard.
The Bills didn’t have most of their failures because of their offense (aside from the Jax debacle) but because of their defense. Their defense played very well most of the year but in critical moments and segments of games it was the defense that was the primary culprit of those lapses and defeats.
TN, KC, Indy and TB. The offense should have been enough to win home field advantage and against KC. Which is why they addressed it this off season.
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2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:
Daryl Williams was coming off of a season where he was tremendous at RT........remember him shutting down TJ Watt?
Feliciano and Boettger were coming off good seasons..........that's why they extended Feliciano.
Cody Ford didn't have a middle name yet.
Ryan Bates was the depth player spoken in hushed tones about.
And they had just drafted a very athletic OT in Spencer Brown.
It's really NOT clear that they are better on paper than they were at this time last year.
Brown is coming off a really rough year in pass pro..........Bates is now a starter and has only played a handful of full games in his career...........Rodger Saffold missed 300+ snaps (about 5 games worth) due to a chronic shoulder condition and he is replacing Daryl Williams who played 98% of the snaps. Quessenberry lead the NFL in sacks allowed as a tackle.
This is a very thin unit on paper............the hope is just that Kromer can coach them up. I'm a big Kromer fan and a defender of the offense's when he was here last time.
But I've also been around long enough to remember them hiring the vaunted Jim "Mouse" McNally and assuming he could turn a sh*tty OL into salad from 2004-2007 and that didn't work out. When your plan is to throw the ball A LOT you need dudes with pass blocking chops...........not sure Beane has even given Kromer even the minimum to work with.
Right, but the more accurate gauge to judge them by is not how they played the season before in 2020 but rather where we left off in 2021.
Daryl Williams who I consider to be serviceable, wasn't a good tackle in 2021 but he was ok at guard. Saffold, played better than Williams in 2021 when they were playing the guard positions. I saw your argument about his lack of availability with him but my most accounts and his peers he was the better player.
Mongo was a decent option in 2020, but had a really bad year in 2021. Should we judge his 2020 or 2021 year? Makes more sense to judge his 2021 year and the opportunity that was given to Bates in 2021, he not only exceeded expectations but he played at a level down the stretch in pressure packed games at a considerably higher level than Mongo did in 2020, I don't think anyone would argue otherwise.
Quessenberry, even though he gave up a lot of sacks, he also had a very good PFF ranking. He's not penciled in to be the starter but I think he serves as a quality utility Lineman who can play both tackle and IOL positions. Boettger was a starter and wasn't god awful, he was just kind of meh. Which in terms of depth, meh turns into OK depth.
I do think with Kromer that he may be able to get a little more out of the line than his predecessor and I also believe that Bates and Spencer Brown going into their first full year as the front runners to start should theoretically perform better than they did in their first year as starters.
I am not arguing that this is the line and we don't need work but for the 2022 season, barring injury they should be a better unit than what we saw in 2021. Next year, I believe will be the year they will put some premium draft capital into the line.
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3 minutes ago, dneveu said:
Quessenberry helps a lot.
Bates has not played enough to have earned that deal - but we had to match otherwise its a gaping hole and it would be too late in FA to address it. He didn't even play 300 snaps last year and had 3 starts at LG not RG. He goes from having dawkins to spencer brown. That's a big change in communication and skill.
Saffold on the left between 2 good pass protectors helps, and he's a good run blocker.
I like the attitude for Spencer Brown, and I know hes a workout machine - i just hope kromer can coach him up in pass pro a bit.I think one more Vet who can provide quality depth throughout the IOL would be a good idea and for this year we can roll with that.
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A lot of teeth gnashing over the offensive line. It’s clear that on paper the O-line is better than last year.
Spencer Brown going into his second year should be better than his rookie year.
Bates going into his first full season as the favored starter should be as good or better than last year.
Morse is solid.
Saffold is clear of Darryl Williams.
Dawkins is solid.Depth: Boettger has starting experience and is serviceable relative to depth O-linemen in the league.
Quessenberry is solid depth for both IOL and swing tackle.
Ford/Mancz/Doyle/Anderson. You hope one of those guys emerge as viable depth.Barring injury the line is fine enough. They may go after another quality depth piece in FA this year. Next year they will draft one with one of their premium draft choices.
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Interesting…
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59 minutes ago, Mopreme said:
I don’t understand why Bills won’t pull trigger on Justyn Ross. Yes, injury concerns but at this point he would just be undrafted free agent with minimal financial impact. Am I missing something? A couple of years ago they look a change on that tackle who had horrid medicals. Yes, didn’t work out for him but why not take a chance on a first round talent?
Because it takes two to make the deal.
He is most likely negotiating a relatively lucrative deal with someone to obtain his services and deciphering with his agent which place he stands a better chance to make a final roster.
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Janine Talley is somewhat of an open book on Twitter. She has gone on to talk about the unfaithfulness of Darryl Talley and how he had an affair.
She definitely will talk about anything and I mean anything on her Twitter account lol
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1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:
I don't accept either of the bolded assertions. So while I do expect Saffold and Bates to be better than Feliciano and Williams I don't accept that is a very high bar. Feliciano was atrocious in 2021 and have been below average most of his career here (he had a spell of average play at the end of 2020 until Chris Jones obliterated him in the AFCCG and that was his high point). Williams was a good, above average tackle for us in 2020. I was all in on re-signing him. Not sure what happened but his play dropped off and inside at guard he was below average but not a liability which was the best the Bills had.
Improving on those two guys is not hard. Williams is unsigned at this point and Feliciano is penciled in for a backup job on a Giants line that was terrible before he got there. That says it all.
There are only so many positions you can address in an off-season and the Bills addressed many if not all of them.
With that said there are different levels of how you address the positions of need. Buffalo believed that the pass rush was a major area of need and they spent significant cap space to get a difference maker in Von Miller.
The Bills thought they were too inconsistent up the middle so they got Daquan Jones and Settles and spent some Cap capital in that position specially considering they had to take a dead cap hit with Star.
The Bills were exposed by the Chiefs speed and they subsequently let Wallace walk and added the most significant draft capital piece with their first rounder in selecting Kaiir Elam.
For a year where the Bills had to do many things to create room to add some pieces they still were able to on paper manage upgrading their O-line from last year, which arguably played at an above average level the last 6-7 games that they played.
You can’t always get everything you want but when you look at what they did with the overall team, I don’t see how anyone could not look at the Bills and not see an improved team.
For me it boils down to two things:
Can the Bills have another relatively healthy season with minimum amount of injuries?
And Is Dorsey going to be an effective OC that will lead this juggernaut of an offense to continue its momentum of the past two years?
If those 2 things continue, then the Bills are clearly better than they were the previous year.
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One other thing that stuck out when watching all these videos of Shakir is that for his size he is a monster at catching contested balls. He seems to really have the ability to concentrate and display strong hands in these situations.
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Biggest Weakness?
in The Stadium Wall
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I would say
OL - depth
WR - depth
CB - depth
I see no weaknesses with the starting units.