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21 hours ago, Doc said:
In addition to the above stuff (why security was so light that day, whether FBI was involved/egged-on others), the only other thing I care about is whether Trump actually told them to break into the Capitol. Failing that, it's a dog-and-pony show and a complete waste of time.
Wasn't Trump acquitted of this in the 2nd impeachment trial? Of course some might use the fact it was a Republican Senate that rendered a not guilty verdict without acknowledging the fact the current House "Committee" is stacked with Democrats that have already expressed their view the former President is complicit.
So what's the moral here? Politics and impartial justice are mutually exclusive.
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6 minutes ago, SirAndrew said:
That’s all true, but I never said vaccines will be mandated for all. I’m just pointing out the fact that businesses and employers mandating a vaccine would likely hold up in court. If people don’t want to get the vaccine, I’m not going to engage in a pointless argument with them. I just don’t understand how people can make statements claiming their job or favorite concert venue can’t mandate it. As far as the bolded text, health care workers in NYS actually are asked if they received an MMR vaccine. There won’t be an across the board mandate, but it can be mandated for access to employment and entertainment.
What's your basis for believing a corporate mandate would hold up in court? And wouldn't a mandate generate the circumstances where the employer is assuming some liability for any adverse outcomes if they make it some condition of employment? I wonder as I work for a fairly large health care sector company and while they are encouraging employees to get vaccinated they have declined to mandate vaccination. So if experts are deferring this requirement how can the uninformed and potentially clueless make the decision to require it?
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4 minutes ago, BillStime said:
As of 6 a.m. EDT July 22, a total of 162,174,165 Americans had been fully vaccinated, or 48.8 percent of the country's population, according to the CDC's data. Below are the states and Washington, D.C., ranked by the percentage of their population that has been fully vaccinated against COVID-19, according to the CDC.
1. Vermont
Number of people fully vaccinated: 418,829
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 67.122. Massachusetts
Number of people fully vaccinated: 4,366,341
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 63.353. Maine
Number of people fully vaccinated: 847,199
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 63.034. Connecticut
Number of people fully vaccinated: 2,231,811
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 62.65. Rhode Island
Number of people fully vaccinated: 643,774
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 60.776. Maryland
Number of people fully vaccinated: 3,514,298
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 58.137. New Hampshire
Number of people fully vaccinated: 786,808
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 57.878. New Jersey
Number of people fully vaccinated: 5,096,321
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 57.389. Washington
Number of people fully vaccinated: 4,333,260
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 56.9110. New Mexico
Number of people fully vaccinated: 1,183,675
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 56.4511. New York
Number of people fully vaccinated: 10,954,046
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 56.3112. Oregon
Number of people fully vaccinated: 2,334,660
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 55.3513. District of Columbia
Number of people fully vaccinated: 382,126
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 54.1414. Virginia
Number of people fully vaccinated: 4,594,024
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 53.8215. Colorado
Number of people fully vaccinated: 3,096,731
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 53.7716. Minnesota
Number of people fully vaccinated: 3,004,997
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 53.2817. Hawaii
Number of people fully vaccinated: 752,060
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 53.1218. California
Number of people fully vaccinated: 20,553,610
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 52.0219. Delaware
Number of people fully vaccinated: 506,457
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 52.0120. Pennsylvania
Number of people fully vaccinated: 6,601,178
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 51.5621. Wisconsin
Number of people fully vaccinated: 2,986,410
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 51.2922. Iowa
Number of people fully vaccinated: 1,552,448
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 49.223. Nebraska
Number of people fully vaccinated: 946,549
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 48.9324. Michigan
Number of people fully vaccinated: 4,837,915
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 48.4425. Florida
Number of people fully vaccinated: 10,320,953
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 48.0526. Illinois
Number of people fully vaccinated: 6,073,610
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 47.9327. South Dakota
Number of people fully vaccinated: 411,392
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 46.528. Ohio
Number of people fully vaccinated: 5,378,842
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 46.0229. Alaska
Number of people fully vaccinated: 329,981
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 45.1130. Kentucky
Number of people fully vaccinated: 2,010,070
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 44.9931. Arizona
Number of people fully vaccinated: 3,254,456
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 44.7132. Utah
Number of people fully vaccinated: 1,417,434
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 44.2133. Montana
Number of people fully vaccinated: 469,711
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 43.9534. Indiana
Number of people fully vaccinated: 2,943,569
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 43.7235. Nevada
Number of people fully vaccinated: 1,344,053
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 43.6436. Kansas
Number of people fully vaccinated: 1,259,549
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 43.2337. North Carolina
Number of people fully vaccinated: 4,533,215
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 43.2238. Texas
Number of people fully vaccinated: 12,503,152
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 43.1239. Missouri
Number of people fully vaccinated: 2,484,985
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 40.4940. South Carolina
Number of people fully vaccinated: 2,064,053
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 40.0941. North Dakota
Number of people fully vaccinated: 302,806
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 39.7442. Oklahoma
Number of people fully vaccinated: 1,571,398
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 39.7143. West Virginia
Number of people fully vaccinated: 696,799
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 38.8844. Tennessee
Number of people fully vaccinated: 2,637,211
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 38.6245. Georgia
Number of people fully vaccinated: 4,037,519
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 38.0346. Idaho
Number of people fully vaccinated: 661,753
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 37.0347. Louisiana
Number of people fully vaccinated: 1,690,044
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 36.3548. Wyoming
Number of people fully vaccinated: 209,600
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 36.2249. Arkansas
Number of people fully vaccinated: 1,074,872
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 35.6250. Mississippi
Number of people fully vaccinated: 1,012,480
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 34.0251. Alabama
Number of people fully vaccinated: 1,662,812
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 33.91Have you seen any statistics on how many people have "natural" immunity from antibodies produced from previous infection and recovery? They should be added into the vaccinated totals. The goal should be immunity and vaccination is one method to acquire immunity. But so its getting sick and recovering. Its unclear why the CDC and other agencies refuse to count them.
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27 minutes ago, ALF said:
Trump supporters are a big reason why Canada and the UK are beating the US on vaccinations
https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/24/politics/canada-uk-us-vaccinations-analysis/index.html
Polling sources indicate black and brown communities have the highest percentage of unvaccinated. So CNN mis-information. But what do you expect from CNN? The entire network is staffed with second-rate political hacks. Shocking right?
But here's what got me laughing out loud while reading this thread. So posters here supporting our fledgling Police State think its okay for government agents to kick down somebody's front door, break into their home, wrestle them to the ground, have a couple agents hold them down, while a 3rd one points a gun to their head, and a 4th one injects them with a biological substance that can be best described as experimental gene therapy with no data, statistics, or insights into the long-term safety affects of the substance. Something that might cause no long-term effects or maybe it will like cancer or heart failure or some other condition. Nobody knows for sure. If they say they do they're lying. All that's okay. But its a violation of basic human and Constitutional rights to ask somebody for ID to vote. You're simply aghast and outraged at the premise. That's funny.
So maybe a condition of involuntary vaccination should be the government assuming all personal injury liability for any adverse conditions that might result?
Or better yet, maybe an active trust funded by all the people advocating and demanding mandatory vaccination personally guaranteeing the safety of people forced into it with their personal assets? That seems fair to me.
There are valid medical reasons why some people cannot or should not be vaccinated. Such as high risk health issues or issues physicians might have regarding "medical necessity". Such as people that have antibodies already.
And to be clear. This is my view. A view from somebody that got the 2-shot Moderna vaccine. It was my decision. Just like its the decision of others to do or not to do it. So mind your own business.
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I spent a lot of time recently listening and reading the views of a lot of liberal thinkers and bloggers. Not the current crop of social justice types but people that hold more conventional and traditional liberal views on issues like economics, opposition to government, and issues of poverty. What I discovered was that although I view my personal positions as more right to center than these "left" thinkers I found myself agreeing with the majority of their conclusions and positions. And as a result I've adjusted my perspective on the way I view and assess the motives and actions of institutions like the media. One of those adjustments is questioning the current left vs. right or liberal vs. conservative disagreements and conflicts over various social issues.
As a result of this adjustment in thinking I've concluded the media is just another instrument of distraction. A generator of conflict. Used by the wealthy and powerful 1% elites to draw attention away from themselves and focus the publics attention on other issues. While pitting them against each other in order to divert all attention away from themselves and their actions.
The "differences" between the Democrats and Republicans are "fake". An illusion perpetrated against the voters. The Clinton's, Bush's, Biden's, Chaney's, and other political "royalty" are a single entity. They attend the same Ivy League schools, the same social circles, the same life experiences. They are all members of the elite political class. Their policies are 99% the same. Nothing fundamental changes.
They're supported by the big corporate sector. Big social media, Wall Street, the defense industry, Drug and Health insurance companies, and others. Companies that push social justice and "diversity" while continuing to exploit workers, make huge profits, destroy communities, and pay the social justice crowd off so they focus on other targets.
The unelected elements of government. What some call the "deep state" that is unchanged or uninterrupted regardless of which party or which administration is in charge. Political appointments, career political operatives embedded in the agencies and departments. The intelligence community. All working for the elites. Something I never thought about was the fact that the President and Vice President are the only elected officials in the entire Executive branch of government. State government, slightly different.
These forces and others work to distract the public from real issues of economic justice. Like how the rich have become obscenely wealthier while the poor got poorer and the middle class got smaller. They stage conflicts between segments of the working and middle class. So the 1% are free to steal everything and anything not bolted down through the back door. And screw everybody and get away with it without anyone noticing.
The public spends more time debating the merits of transgender bathroom rights than it does discussing and debating the merits of a $850B defense budget. How that money is spent, who benefits, what wars we are in or getting into and why. Why we have 600 overseas military bases. Why will have troops in Syria, still bomb places like Somalia, what's our role in Yemen with the Saudi's?
Its time to wake up. Left, Right, Liberal, Conservative, everybody. And push back. And demand answers and real changes.
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On 7/20/2021 at 8:18 AM, Bidens_basement said:
I know you don’t believe that nonsense. It’s a pay to play scheme with “the big guy” getting his cut. Where are all the Trump haters who complained non stop about Trump using the presidency to make money?
Why are you not condemning this from atop the same mountain you condemned Trump?
liberalism is a disease. What a party of hypocrites the Democratic Party has become. What a mess.
These "buyers" are not paying $250K for a work of art. They are paying $250K for access to the President, political favors, or some quid-pro-quo and likely taking the art and either dumping it in the trash or putting it down in the basement in some out of the way corner. Any other explanation is invalid and this is such an outlandish abuse of the system that I find anyone who would defend it or make excuses complicit and supportive of systemic corruption practiced by the Biden's Its disgusting.
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2 hours ago, Doc Brown said:
I agree with most of this although I do think there's a slight mental decline. Not enough to envoke the 25th or anything like that. I'd also add the caveat that I don't know what goes on behind the scenes.
There's a reason the "will you shut up man?" quote stuck in that first debate. Trump with the constant interruptions of this guy we knew had a stutter made Biden look like a sympathetic figure. That debate strategy Trump used with Jeb, Rubio, Cruz, Hillary, etc. on the debate stage worked for him it made this opponents seem weak. They were all younger than him and nobody questioned their mental acuity. It backfired with Biden because we already knew he had a stuttering problem and he was never a great speaker or debater even in his younger days.
We've all seen relatives age to the point where they'll lose their train of thought easily, large crowds will overwhelm them, and their eccentricities (suck the blood) will exasperate. You talk to them one on one though and they seem more in line with their old selves. My guess is that's where the 78 year old Biden is at this point. I don't think he'll run for reelection at 81 years old but I wouldn't put money on it.
JB projects weakness and frailty which might be the perfect symbol for an empire in decline. His rambling and confusing statements and answers to questions are becoming more frequent. And its impossible for me to accept in any way the belief he is fully executing all the duties of the office and there are no forces or individuals in the background calling the shots here.
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1 hour ago, reddogblitz said:
To me this is the crux of the biscuit.
Really the only part I care about. As you say everyone knew something was going to happen. Why the failure in security? Normally to try to take over America you need an F15 and a couple of nukes. But on this day a mob waltzed right in. Got into the chamber and the Speaker's office.
I won't go as far as you on the fire thing, but Democrats have made and will continue to make massive hay off of it. A great fund raising tool.
Not convinced democrats were not involved or at least complicit in the riot of 1/6/21.
It is an important question. Along with a question I posed a couple weeks ago which is given there was no defense in place against "the plot" what actually stopped the "insurrectionists" from taking more serious and damaging actions?
What happened is consistent with looters breaking into a store with no cops in sight and just stealing the gum and candy near the register while leaving the flat screens and home entertainment equipment behind. It would appear to make no sense and require some level of explanation.
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So I'm watching a short segment on Carlson with professed liberal comedian Jimmy Dore. Found his perspective interesting. His somewhat outside-the-box assessment might be worth a look regardless of your perspectives here.
His basic premise is the left used to focus on discussions concerning economic disparities and issues. But now all discussions are centered around identify politics. And the reason for that is the establishment has found a way to co-op the progressive movement including capturing the discussions on identity and race issues, and as a result it has avoiding discussions on economics and left them free to loot and pillage society without any focus on those activities. All these discussions on things like CRT are just smoke and mirror diversions.
"You want to help black people then give them free college, a living wage, medicare for all. What did Biden do? Made Juneteenth a holiday and gave government workers another day off".
So is this the game here? Simple misdirection? You've got elite billionaires, cultural & social elites, intellectual elites, elite corporate CEO's & BOD's, elite politicians, and I should add the military industrial complex. All beating the drum of racism. All getting rich while the rest of us, black, white, brown, run faster and faster while falling behind. While they redirect the focus away from themselves and on to the average guy in the street. Its not their fault their collective elite class is so well off and everyone else is not. its the fault of all those damn white supremacists, all white people, except them of course while paying off the attack dogs on the left to steer clear of them and find other targets. Pitting the citizens against one another, the identified oppressor and the oppressed fighting against each other over table scraps while leaving them free to do pretty much what they want. Unnoticed and getting away with it. Robbing us all blind while our backs are turned faced off against one another.
I think this guy is on to some good insights. I bookmarked his site.
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2 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:
The clip from his town hall the other night, was like watching an elderly person declare they needed to use the bathroom, get up, walk to the refrigerator, move the eggs from one side to the other, return to their chair, sit down and state they needed to buy more eggs next time they go shopping.
One could argue they stayed in the house, so in the end, it was a win and all is fine.
Things like this statement:
"And we must be the leader of the free world. If we don’t do it, nobody good is likely to do it or has the capacity to do it. I really mean it. I genuinely mean it. So, it’s the thing, Don, that is the only time — and by the way, the first time I walked down stairs and they played “Hail to the Chief,” I wondered, “Where is he?”
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14 minutes ago, John Adams said:
Tell me more.
How far does it go? What other events are like this? What's next?
One step at a time my friend. Lets find out why Nancy didn't call the cops in the face of obvious danger from "insurrectionists". It will come out eventually.
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Just now, John Adams said:
mmm hmm, mmm hmm. Go on...
That's your best? Come on smarty. Shoot some holes in my theory. I want real feedback.
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1 hour ago, John Adams said:
You figured it all out, just from reading the Internet!
Do you think informants and agents are the same? Or that informants are good guys?Help me out. I’m trying to figure out just how stupid you are. I mean, I know it’s very stupid.
Are you attempting sarcasm?
Here's some facts. Maybe you are familiar with the concept of facts? Or maybe not? Or perhaps the concept of logical thinking. Let me illustrate a lesson in that subject below.
Everybody knew there was going to be a big demonstration that day. That's a fact.
Everybody knew there was dissatisfaction among the protesters with the election results. That's a fact.
Everybody knew there was "talk" of disrupting or stopping the certification of results in the House. That's a fact.
And therefore the risk and threat of violence was present. That would seem obvious to anyone paying attention. That's a fact.
Everybody knows the the Capitol Police suspecting potential trouble requested the call up of National Guard to deploy at the Capitol. This request was made before and during the protest. 5 times this was requested. That's a fact.
Everybody knows the Sargent at Arms who reports to the Speakers office rejected all requests for National Guard troops both before and during the attack. That's a fact.
What we don't know is why the requests from the Capitol Police were rejected. And why the Guard wasn't called up in the face of obvious danger. But the House Speaker knows, the person heading the inquiry. Do you think she should provide some explanation? This seems like an important non-decision and it begs an answer. The problem is this is not a question the speaker would like to answer. Rather it appears to be a question the speaker does not want to answer. What are the implication of an honest answer?
Now we get into molding these facts to define a theory.
So one logical conclusion and theory might be there was a desire to let the violence happen. For one reason or another. We need the above question answered factually to disprove or confirm this theory. But we don't have that answer, yet. We can speculate but we do not know.
So the theory is a valid theory that meets the criteria for being a theory. It produces a conclusion supported by facts that needs more facts to prove it true or false. It might be unpopular to many here but again, its also a fact nobody here can disprove it. They can ridicule and reject it or choose not to believe it for some reason. They can do the same to me personally. But none of that will prove it false. As the way to prove or disprove theories is to ask questions, gather facts, and apply those facts to see if they support or don't support the theory.
That's why I also conclude 1/6 is equivalent to the Reichstag fire in Germany staged by the Nazi's. it aligns with the type of event, an attack on the seat of government power, the need for pretense followed by similar objectives. 1/6 was allowed to happen to create an excuse. Like the Nazi's used the fire as an excuse to neutralize their biggest political opponent which was the communists in Germany. In the case of 1/6 the Democrats are looking to neutralize their biggest threat which is 75 million Trump voters. So they followed the script created by the Nazi's. And why reinvent the wheel when it works?
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11 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:
You are not a neurologist. This kind of crap needs to stop. His predecessor babbles a lot too, but you don't see me calling him mentally deficient.
How do you know what expertise or experience or knowledge I might have on the subject? You don't.
Maybe you prefer to let "experts" do the thinking for you but I know what I see and I know the topic from dealing with it firsthand. You don't need to be a professional neurologist to identify mental confusion any more than you need to be a hematologist to stop a finger cut from bleeding. Biden losses his train of thought on a consistent basis. And losses awareness of his physical surroundings, wandering, walking off. Like losing his focus at press unrehearsed press conferences. This isn't stuttering. This is obvious. And its likely to get worse to the point of him being unable to continue.
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5 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:
It is not. He has a stuttering issue since childhood. He has expressed himself in the way he does now throughout his career. He needs to quit with the no joke stuff; well all know these are not joking issues. But people need to quit playing amateur neurologists around here.
Its not stuttering. Its mental confusion. Its a loss of mental capacity. There's a big difference.
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7 hours ago, Unforgiven said:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/group-accused-plotting-kidnap-michigan-144724252.html
The group accused of plotting to kidnap Michigan Gov. Whitmer was riddled with
FBI informants who took leading roles, according to BuzzFeed
Some of the informants, including an Iraq war veteran, reportedly took leading roles in the scheme.
For example, an Iraq war veteran informant "became so deeply enmeshed in a Michigan militant group" that he rose to second-in-command of the group, BuzzFeed reported.
The war vet told members of the group to convene with other potential suspects and even paid for members' transportation to meetings, according to the news outlet.
Another man who advised the militia group on where to place explosives and offered to get as many as needed was also an informant, BuzzFeed reported.
New information on the extent of the FBI's involvement has raised questions as to whether there would have even been a conspiracy to take down the Democratic governor without their help.
It gets better:
A special agent with the FBI involved in the operation that resulted in a group of men being charged for allegedly plotting to kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer was criminally charged on Monday in connection to a domestic incident.
Richard Trask was arraigned in a Michigan court on one count of assault with intent to do great bodily harm, less than a murder charge, after a domestic incident with his wife on Sunday. He was subsequently released on a $10,000 recognizance bond, according to the Detroit News.
I can't help but laugh.
False Flags. A CIA overseas specialty also used by FBI and other domestic agencies. Not out of the question it was employed on 1/6. Considering about a dozen operatives that are known to the government but charged or arrested had roles at the Capitol event. And likely the objective of the 1/6 False Flag at the Capitol was devised to be the equivalent of the Reichstag fire in Nazi Germany that provided the justification for consolidating power under the party. Only this time consolidation under the Democrats.
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8 hours ago, oldmanfan said:
The President needs to stop with the jokes, needs to stop saying I’m not joking so much. This is a serious time for our country; we don’t need jokes right now.
All kidding and jokes aside this is a serious situation that calls for some compassion. Its obvious Joe Biden is suffering from some cognitive and mental impairment issues. Given the age factor I can only assume its of a degenerative nature. If you've had the misfortune of having a family member go through an ailment of this nature you will clearly see the "signs" of the condition in his behavior and actions.
The biggest thing I can't understand is how Jill Biden could allow her husband, somebody I assume she loves and cares for, to be subjected to and used by forces inside the party to play front man for their agenda. Because this is not his agenda. These are not his words. They belong to somebody else. A simple cursory review of his political record will provide all the evidence necessary to support that conclusion.
Shame on her and shame on them for putting the guy through what I can only expect will conclude with embarrassment and humiliation. And shame on the party leadership for using Biden and subjecting him to the public spotlight when he should be retired enjoying whatever is left of life.
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House Democrats on Tuesday blocked a bill which would require the Director of National Intelligence to declassify information related to the US government's investigations into the Wuhan coronavirus pandemic - and in particular, what role the Wuhan Institute of Virology may have played in the outbreak. The bill failed in the House by a vote of 216 - 207.
Said House Rep Wenstrup one of the members introducing the bill on the House floor, "The best disinfectant is sunlight and that's what we can provide today." "The bill first establishes that we must identify the precise origins of COVID-19 because it is critical for preventing a similar pandemic in the future." "I cannot stress enough that this bill is not controversial by any means," he continued. "In fact, it passed the Senate in May with unanimous consent — not one senator objected. Not Senators Ted Cruz or Rand Paul, not Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren. If those four members can get on board with this bill, should not we be able to do the same?"
I guess not. So what's the objection of House leadership? Chinese masters and Dr. Fauci don't like it? Any of the usual Deep State apologists want to whip up some excuse here?
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51 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:
Hard to say because many of the records are still sealed. But your analogy to federal criminal law is inapt. The absence of a charge of rebellion or insurrection doesn't mean that such an event didn't occur. And, if you want to play the hyperbole game, I suppose you'll agree that abortion is a procedure to remove a parasite from a woman's body, not the "murder" or the "killing" of a "baby."
You're just speculating on what might or might not be sealed. So it might be prudent to not call it something that the available facts don't support and take a wait and see approach. That said, if somebody was actually charged with insurrection or treason that would be broadcast 24/7? Or leaked? Sealed or no sealed when it benefits to reveal something or if it might be damaging to the defense's case there's no hesitation.
What baffles me is how anyone can perceive the government at this point as some bastion of ethics and virtue. You guys must be on some heavy hallucinogenics to buy into that view. Or have a vested interest in big government like being on the payroll. Or getting lots of free government support or grants or funding for something or another.
And per the insurrection narrative. My conclusion to this point based on the available evidence is there was violence committed on that day but the characterization of it as insurrection is an exaggeration of the risks posed by the threat and circumstances of the event. And I'm willing to adjust that conclusion when and if more and better information becomes available. I think that's a reasonable approach.
But in any event you still cannot name any insurrectionist charges regardless of what excuse you might want to use. So your assessment that its insurrection is just not supported by the facts you have available so why do you continue to insist that is what it was here? Presumption of innocence here rather than guilt by accusation. So let's come back to this when we get a read out all the charges, trial, and convictions or acquittals.
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7 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:
Thank You! I couldn’t agree more. If you really want to get to the bottom of this or even if you just want to embarrass your political opponents then you should force them to sit in the room and go along with the circus. An unforced error by Nancy here.
Consider Nancy's goal has nothing to do with getting down to the truth. Consider the goal is simply to confirm their already pronounced views. This was biggest threat to democracy since the civil war. And as a result the committee's findings will require the submission of some draconian legislation to prevent it from occurring again. To identify extremism and criminalize certain activities now protected under law. In some way characterizing political descent as extremism. Criminalizing political descent. That's the goal. For the love of God isn't that obvious to everyone already? How much clear can it be made?
Entertaining any counter-arguments or contention to that narrative and the eventual conclusion might just be a headache to be avoided. Why bother as they're not going to listen to or consider any of it so what's the point other than for theater?
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1 minute ago, SectionC3 said:
I’d be less worried about a “farce” and more worried about the insurrection. That is, unless you supported the insurrection. So, did you support the insurrection?
Now you're changing the subject again. But okay. But we need to establish some facts first. How many of the suspects have been charged with insurrection? Give me a number. And then we can discuss the validity of calling the events of 1/6 that term. So if you please, post the names of those defendents here.
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40 minutes ago, Governor said:
Should Gym Jordan, the guy who attended the meeting which planned the terror attack on the people’s house, sit on a committee investigating that terror attack?
52 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:Good points. Alleged dishonesty is way worse than ransacking the Capitol in an attempt to override the results of a presidential election.
Your responses only reinforce my argument and confirm my conclusions. You just can't help yourself from making continuous comments about the event to deflect from the argument that regardless of the event the process here is a farce. And listening to and reading the comments from the committee members you are in alignment with their statements to date too. So what's the point of this charade? What's the point? So they can say we checked of the official line item on the scoresheet?
Do you really believe after assembling and reviewing all the "evidence" they're going to determine it wasn't "the biggest threat to democracy since the civil war" after all? And that their initial conclusions were wrong? Do you really think they're going to allow any counter-arguments or questioning outside the pre-determined outcome and narrative of the event? Or consider anything thinking or logic "outside the box" they've already built?
You really think that? If you really think that I would either question your judgment or conclude you cannot be objective and honest about what this is all about.
Its all BS. Like the late-great George Carlin used to say. And absent BS the entire political process would disintegrate. He was spot on..
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6 hours ago, Governor said:
What a mess!
The GOP is flailing around with no midterm plan whatsoever. They want an “alternate” investigation to run along side the real investigation for their rubes to gobble up nightly on their “alternate reality” news networks.
By including Gym Jordan, voters see they had no intention of participating in an honest investigation into what happened that day. Really bad strategy moving forward. They couldn’t misread the electorate any worse than this.
Looks like Liz is going to have the last laugh here. I guess we knew that already. McCarthy was never going to make it. He’s about to crash and burn.
Now I think you're attempting to use satire or humor here. "Participating in an honest investigation into what happened that day." Really? You're kidding me, right? That's what you believe the objective is here? You should know by now that honesty and politics are mutually exclusive concepts.
Members selected for the committee are required to answer "yes" to the following questions.
Are you a Democrat or a Republican?
Do you believe the actions of 1/6 constitute the greatest threat to our democracy since the Civil War?
Will you let your political views prejudice your ability to objectively view and judge the actions and events that lead up to and occurred on 1/6?
The outcome is already determined. The report is already drafted. And regardless of anyone's preconceived notions or conclusions or political and social views I find it impossible that anyone with a shred a common sense can't see that too. You know that just as much as I do. Anyone that's paying attention here and says they believe this is going to be fair and impartial is a liar. Plain and simple. I'm calling them out.
Posters can question or criticize my specific views on the topic or other topics. Go ahead if that flimsy rebuttal is all anyone's got. But my views are inconsequential to the actions and motivations of the committee and you cannot possibly deny the certainty of a "guilty" outcome.
And what I hate more than almost anything is dishonesty. And this committee process is fundamentally dishonest. There's a 100% probability they'll find everything they've already stated previously to be correct. If there was a absolute certain bet I could make that I have 100% certainty of winning I'd put my life savings on this outcome. No way they conclude anything else. The deck is stacked, the dice are fixed. This is purely a show trial to give the pre-determined outcome and suggested changes to policy and law the stamp of legitimacy it lacks without going through the motions. Is the term Kangaroo Court?
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28 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:
This Select Committee would be far more productive if they could finally tell us whether it was a forward lateral. (I still say it was!)
With the stipulation that only members and supporters of the Titans are allowed to serve on the committee.
It's Time to Mandate Vaccines
in Politics, Polls, and Pundits
Posted · Edited by All_Pro_Bills
But the COVID vaccines were not developed to target Delta. And are less effective against it. And Delta might be more infectious but it will likely be less lethal. So a goal of preventing serious illness and death is more realistic than a goal of stopping the spread. That can be done by identifying and protecting those most at risk. Its going to spread regardless of whether people get the current vaccines or not. Unless somebody can rush out a vaccine that targets Delta. I don't know if that's possible. Its going to spread regardless of lockdowns that are not going to be successful as the previous lockdowns didn't do much of anything except cause a lot of economic harm with adverse social impacts like a big increase in suicides, drug and alcohol abuse, and depression.
My belief is we're just going to have to ride out this wave and make due. The wave should produce a lower case count, a shorter cycle, and a much lower death rate. And subsequent waves should follow the pattern until it fades over time.