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I feel your pain. I too just wanted a reason to watch. Some said we'd at least be exciting to watch. Nothing exciting about that.
It kills me because I love the Bills and I love football. I'm impatient all offseason, just waiting for the season to start. And now I can't wait for it to be over.
I'm with you and some of the others on this thread. I didn't think we were going to the playoffs.
I just wanted to see us play competent, NFL-caliber football.
And after the 2-4th preseason games, I thought there seemed hope of that.
Maybe there still is, I have to say twice may be more than a coincidence.
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i as well as all of you im sure am pretty fed up with what has been happening not only these past 2 games but for the past decade. IM the guy when in 1990 was in kindergarden and cried when the bills lost the superbowl and my mother told me dont worry they will be there next year well guess what they were for 3 more years. I guess you can say we were spoiled in the early 90s but why do we get **** on in the 2000s
I was thinking about this. I expect, given the cost, most fans pay for tickets with a charge card.
Now most charge cards have dispute and fraud provisions. In other words, if you authorize a charge for a color TV,
and the merchant ships you a black-and-white one (or no TV at all), you can dispute the charge and most cards will hold
the transaction while you try to straighten it out with the merchant. If you never do receive your color TV, it's fraud,
you don't pay.
I think the fans who've bought tickets should all dispute the charge with their credit card companies on the grounds of fraud -
they purchased tickets to a professional NFL game, and so far, a professional NFL game has not been delivered.
That's really the only way. Talk is cheap, vote with your pocketbooks.
Now I don't expect the customer could prevail on this, since technically, the Bills are still in the NFL which makes them professional NFL football by definition.
But it would certainly get management attention (and publicity) if, say, ten thousand fans all disputed their ticket charges at once.
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I see a lot of people touching on the "a QB makes his OLine better" point. But I think it's important to explain why that is:
<good and thoughtful explanation snippaged>
When was the last time you saw Trent move up in the pocket, step all the way to the line of scrimmage and release a fast ball down field? When have we seen him scramble between the hashes and come up making a 30 yard throw down the middle? Release the ball before a receiver called for it? Hit his back foot and FIRE? Hit a receiver in stride over the middle for a long catch and run? Throw a pass that Lee has to run down? Throw a pass that makes his receiver challenge the defender for the ball? Throw a pass to a receiver covered down the sideline? Even throw into double coverage?
These types of plays are routine for the NFL's competent QB's and over the course of Trent's career, they've happened rarely, if ever.
Trent played significantly worse than any other player, than any other unit on his team, this week and last. He sucks. And he sucks so bad that he's put the honus of winning--even staying in games--on everybody else. A quarterback wins game. Trent does not. Time to move on.
I'm with you up to the last paragraph. Then sorry, I think you're far too generous to the WR, the OL, and the rest of the players and units on the team.
I think there's a chicken-and-egg thing here. I've yet to see a Bills receiver in the last few years reliably pull in the tough throws. I don't see Bills receivers challenge the defender for the ball, or even successfully keep a ball they have their hands on much less do the sort of "instant transition to DB" that saved Kelly many an INT. Trent threw two INTs that should have been completions with the sort of receivers who can make the tough completions you enumerate. I'm not giving the QB props here, mind, just questioning your certainty that the receivers are so much lower in suckitude. And don't get me started on the OT situation.
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The Offensive Line was even more pathetic this week than last week, and to be honest I wasn't sure that was possible. We will have the Edwards Haters Club full of idiots (like Benjamin Button) who will try to blame it all on the QB but that will just be a display of their ignorance. He had no time at all today, then on the few plays when he was given time, the recievers would drop the ball. The first three pass plays were two sacks and a ball that hit Fred Jackson in the hands and he didn't catch it (same as the first pass last week-is there a pattern here?). Even the announcers stated that is doesn't matter who the quarterback is, if they don't block or catch the ball the QB won't be successful.
Me, I sort of find this like trying to argue if spoilt kim-chee is worse than over-ripe limburger cheese.
Win as a team, lose as a team. There was plenty of blame to go around. OL, QB, WR, LB, DB**, coaching adjustments or lack thereof.
It's the latter which bother me most, actually. We played a solid 2nd quarter. Lulled me into thinking
"hey, this isn't bad, we'll go in and make some adjustments and get back in this thing".
Didn't work that way.
**any omission of a Bills unit is entirely unintentional and not to be construed as exemption from blame
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This is the worst offense in years. BORING
+1 on the BORING part.
-10 on the "coach is fired" part. Give the guy a chance.
Yet.....I am becoming worried I see a pattern.
And that pattern is...other team makes halftime adjustments and "solves us"
We go in at halftime and come out with flat tires and mis-firing on all cylinders.
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Check it out. The Bills have a coaching position, "Offensive Quality Control"
http://www.buffalobills.com/team/coaches/kevin-patullo/72014e4d-43da-4522-adac-854547d6293a
I find the control of the Bill's quality to be highly Offensive and out-of-control right now.
Obviously the buck stops with Kevin Patullo.
Note for the humor impaired:
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What if Trent Edwards plays like a stink bomb today? Will Gailey have the balls to bench him for another QB? I can visualize lots of pressure on Edwards today by the Packers D line. It's going to be interesting to see what and how Gailey will handle this.
My opinion only, he'll be given at least 3 chances.
It will also depend on details hard for us fans to pick out from TV but well-known to the coaches --
Trent might still stink as far as the end result of yards and completions, but be seen as improving in reads and progressions and no almost-INTs.
I think Chan will give him more rope if that's seen as the case.
OK, here's a trivia question.
Has any team ever done something "outside the usual" to support a bad RT, like replace him with two TE or something?
(Not that we have two TE that block well enough to be equal to one RT)
I can't remember ever having seen something like this, but I ain't seen everything by a long chalk.
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<...> Last week sucked but the key now is to see improvement. No ones expects the Bills to win but there are a lot of key things to look for.
1) Run defense - Last year, we ranked 30th in average ypa at 4.7. Against a very good running team in Miami, we gave up 3.7. That's a great start in the first game of new defense.
Additionally, this week becomes doubly important. If the Bills can stuff Brandon Jackson and make GB nervous about their backs going forward, Lynch's value to them goes up. This could be very interesting.
2) Pass defense - They looked like one of the best secondaries last year. This is about as big of a test as there will be this year besides Brady and the Pats. We shut down Brees last year, so we could make things hard for Rodgers as well.
3) Oline - I was at the game so I didn't get to watch it very carefully. I do know that Green should be cut. But for the rest of the oline, there is a lot of youth and run for growth.
4) CJ Spiller - Got his first taste being game planned against. I believe after his first 7 carries, Chris Johnson had 1 yard or something before going off. The sign of a great player is not having 2 bad games in a roll.
5) Chan the man - He admitted he didn't get the job done (though I think the QB didn't allow the plan to work all the team either). But given his reputation, he needs to make adjustments and get a better offense together.
So I'm not ready to cancel the season just yet. I think if this team improves throughout the year, we will all feel much better and hopefully we will get our new QB a good situation to step into.
+1
I'm going to say something heretical here: despite my natural desire that the Bills fillet the Phins at every opportunity, I thought last week's result was good.
They lost, but lost a close, winnable game not a blow-out.
Chan has to rebuild a winning culture here as well as the talent on the football team.
We need players who will execute the game plan and who know they will be held accountable if they don't.
(I had the impression if players failed to execute under Jauron, he patted them on the back and said "there, there, I know you tried!")
I'd be shocked if everyone on the team is "with the program" as far as extent and depth of game preparation and the need to accept coaching as yet.
If we had won, I think it would have lulled some personnel into a false sense of security, "see, we've done enough".
If we'd been blown out, it would have been discouraging.
Instead, we lost but it was within reach -- the optimal result to "serve as a wake-up call" and hopefully motivate coaches and players to take it to the next level.
So we'll see. You're right, if we see improvement, that will be the key.
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The television reporter (Ines Sainz) who said she was harassed while attending a New York Jets football practice expressed outrage Saturday with the women's media group that filed a complaint on her behalf -- and also said she was satisfied with the way the NFL handled the situation:
http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2010/09/18/sainz-women-set-years/
See, here's the thing. When Ines Sainz herself has been quoted, she has not said she was harassed.
She has said she felt uncomfortable and embarrassed - I have felt uncomfortable or embarrassed myself in situations which stopped short of harassment.
Sainz herself made no complaint.
The rest of the article seems well-done; the start seems sloppy reporting.
Sainz is justifiably upset at the media group, because as one can see from this thread, many people are left with a mis-impression that she
"dressed for the kitchen but couldn't take the heat", so to speak, and that she is the one who filed a complaint.
That's not the way it went down - apparently the women's media group who complained didn't even talk to her before filing!
Sainz has said she felt the Jets could have treated her more professionally, which sounds inarguable, but that she never felt threatened or endangered or heard any sexual comments.
By the way, in the interview clip with Sanchez "from the day", she is wearing jeans, a leather belt, and a white long-sleeved shirt with a collar. She's an attractive woman, no doubt, but that's hardly nightclub attire as some here have mistakenly stated.
Note to Red: I appreciate the frustration of being stuck behind slow-moving vehicle be it bicyclist, bicycle pack, horse-and-buggy, or farm equipment.
I'd be happy to talk cycling traffic law and my own habits as a cyclist, it just seems off topic here. Just don't want you to think I'm ignoring you.
I'm still learning the forum. If I can find a way to re-direct a response to another forum (off the wall?), I'll do that.
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With all the predictions for this coming game tomorrow, we as Bills fans have come to the conclusion (sickening as it may be) it's a loss for the team. But I wonder what it's like anymore to be the fan of a team that know's your team is going to win?
It was wonderful. Just knowing no matter what happened they'd have a chance to be in it....ahhhhhhhhh.
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Points scored and time of possession are the most important. If you get points on the board and you keep your defense off the field you will win.
Well, yeah, I get it. But then there's the turnover thing, esp. if the TO results in points for the opponent.
It seems as though there should be an offense rating, like QB rating, that tries to factor it all in somehow.
Maybe there is and I'm missing it?
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The way I view it, he's the backup RB, so he mostly takes handoffs in practice from the BU QB. Not the starter or the Scout QB.
Good point, I hadn't thought of that. Fitz must be the QB he's working with most right now.
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The Bills do not have enough talent on offense to be able to consistently convert these third-and-longs. I think part of the failure is how miserable they look on FIRST down. Last week, I could not believe my eyes how often they were LOSING yardage on first down. Whether they ran or passed the ball, they seemed to lose 2 yards every time. Then throw a false start or holding penalty in there and you have no chance.
To have any chance of moving the chains they absolutely need to find a way do get some positive results on first down. I consider an incomplete pass down the field a positive result compared to a checkdown pass in the backfield that loses a yard or barely gets back to the line of scrimmage.
Good point. To understand poor 3rd down conversions, look at what is going on on 1st and 2nd down.
3rd and 1 or 2 is a different place than (what seems to me all too frequent) 3rd and 15+.
Too often our opponents are in the 1st situation and we are in the 2nd.
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Back in the day when men were men, children walked 3 miles to school through snowbanks uphill both ways,
and the Bills went to the playoffs year after year, I recall games where we scored >300 yards offense -----
and lost.
Typically I could look at the box score and see something that would stick out --- like 5 turnovers and 4 sacks, or a total lack of 3rd down conversions.
That was the start of my view, maybe ranking teams by total offensive yardage isn't right picture.
The most important thing at the end of the day is -- who won?
What I want to know from the good folks here is: what's your measure of an offense? How do you decide that an offense ranks high or is rank?
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By doing that, they are more or less acknowledging to everyone they were lucky to win that game.
Thanks, Giants!
That was my thought - it's like saying "we couldn't win it, you lost it"
Not only lacks class, it's dissin' your own.
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Was just on the Packs sight. The reporters asked Matthews,what he thought about Edwards . They said he likes to run his mouth. These dudes are cheese heads . Edwards cocky and mouth runner? I haven`t seen it.
Does Edwards have a Twitter ID we don't know about or send texts to GB or something?
If ever there were a player to vote "least likely to provide locker room BB material" it would be Trent
I'd like him better if I thought this meant he talked trash on the field.
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I don't want him killed, or severally damaged, but a knee or an ankle twist is just fine. It worked last year, and we won some games while he sat on the bench. Chan won't pull him, so we need someone else too.
You know this, how?
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Saying these men should behave professionally/respectfully is a bit narrow minded if you ask me. They are naked and I am sure some are proud of it. Asking them to put up with outsiders especially women is pushing it. THere probably isn't a right answer but expecting people to act a certain way because of someone else's constitutional rights is a bit much.
Whoa! Please....listen to yourself.
Expecting people to act a certain way in order to respect someone else's constitutional rights .....
Isn't that just a cornerstone of Western democracy or something trivial like that?
I cycle. Cyclists tend to wear tight shorts and body-hugging shirts for aerodynamics and comfort.
Need I say, many of the ladies (not speaking of myself here - yet) are also highly fit and 'eyeable'.
You get the occasional minor comment on looks like "are you passing?" "I'm just back here enjoying the scenery" but according to your logic it would be narrow-minded and unreasonable to expect the male cyclists to behave respectfully to the women (and vice-versa), after all they are working hard and getting their testosterone and competitiveness up and the women are wearing painted-tight clothing (many of them). Fortunately, the men cyclists seem more broad-minded and reasonable than you.
They are more focused on going fast (and dropping me like a rock down a well).
The thing that I haven't seen too much of, but that struck me, is the Jest's coaching/management.
It seems clear from the story (Jests coaches throwing balls near her and having non-receivers or DBs run for them), that tolerance for the "hey baby!" mentality
started at the management level. Otherwise it would have been "OK, guys, we know she's hot. Now stop checking her out and focus on business -- just another distraction we expect you to overcome. We're here to work."
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"As of right now, I know I'm taking handoffs from Fitz [Ryan Fitzpatrick] or Trent [Edwards] or [brian] Brohm," Lynch said. "That's pretty much all I've got to say about that."
Bills depth chart:
QB Trent Edwards Ryan Fitzpatrick Brian Brohm
"nothing to see here, move along"?
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Arthur Moats
[*] Moats actually played defensive end in college in a 4-3 scheme. Most college DEs that are drafted to play in a 3-4 move to OLB, but the Bills are actually working Moats at ILB, which is unusual.
[*] Moats racked up 11 sacks and 23.5 tackles for loss in his senior year.
[*] Here is a good scouting report on Moats: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1277382
He seems like a genuinely nice person. He already ran a free football camp for kids in his hometown.
Nice post, Benjamin! Enjoyed the videoclip. Moats seems like he has the physical goods.
He looked lost a few times in preseason though - learning curve ahead.
Hopefully he gets the time and mentoring to learn a single system well and doesn't get tossed in the frying pan too soon 'cuz of injuries.
I'm with Bowery, the ILB/OLB decision puzzled me.
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at what point do we dump or cut personnel?
When we have the chance to get someone markedly better at that position, with time to learn our system
-trade lynch and or evans
-cut edwards
-cut poz can't stay healthy-he is our bob sanders
we need a qb to manage the game not lose it
I gotta say I am so not feeling the "trade one of the few good players on our team" talk.
What would we get for them during the season that would help us out?
I could see "trade a RB" if Lynch has a decent year, his value will increase to where we might improve by trading him in the off-season
But who do we have at WR besides Evans? How would it
If Chan is who we think he is, either Edwards will improve over the next 3 games, or he'll be holding a clipboard
He will not be cut because our OL isn't good enough to keep 2 qb healthy all season. Deal.
The only part of this I can see is Poz
If we could pick up a decent career backup LB who is hungry for a chance to start, Poz is someone who could become expendable to make room.
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If you take uncovered meat and put it on the street, on the pavement, in a garden, in a park, or in the backyard, without a cover and the cats eat it, then whose fault will it be, the cat's, or the uncovered meat's?
This post would appear to represent a major step for Mr. Benjamin Barker.
Step into what?, is left (like a piece of uncovered 4-day-old meat) as an exercise for the intelligent cat, er, reader.
I thought Neanderthals were extinct.
Just when I thought your posts couldn't get any stupider. I set the bar too low, I guess.
The thing is, I can't decide which if more offensive. The comparison to a professional reporter to "uncovered meat" or the presumption that professional athletes are capable of no more self control than cats on the street.
I vote - "yes"
Though I'd go with "comparison of a human being to uncovered meat". Any human being.
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What were Sanchez's comments? “We really took our turns making mistakes and there’s no excuse for that,” Sanchez said. “This is the ultimate team sport — we all have to [do] it right on every play for it to work.” More..."It just seemed like every time we had a good play on, something happened and we hurt ourselves,” Sanchez said.
Exactly how is that sooooo much different?
I guess to me what's different is Sanchez is saying "there's no excuse for that" vs. Edwards saying "That's going to happen, that's the NFL"
It sounds like Sanchez is saying it's unacceptable - no excuse - to have "days where you don't get it going" but Edwards is accepting a poor performance.
TE does sound like Jauron "it's hard to win in the NFL".
On the other hand....some people's major problem after a poor performance is beating themselves up too badly instead of looking ahead and moving on.
They internalize, and then it becomes self-defeating cycle.
I think TE is speaking poorly, and what he really means is "sh** happens, and we need to just learn from it and move on and do better".
It would just come across better to the fans if he said so directly.
answer to real debate: Oline or QB
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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So here's another viewpoint: Maybe the two are directly related and both point at the QB in a way I don't recall seeing discussed here before.
I've been reading Kirwan's "Take your Eye Off the Ball" (fantastic read in my opinion). He discusses the need to call the OL protections on each play then goes on to discuss how on some teams, the very experienced center will call the protections in response to his own read on the D and the specific play. But for other teams or the same team with a less experienced center, that responsibility falls more to the QB to call the protections for the OL.
We've talked about how Trent seems to really struggle with reading a 3-4 D. Sometimes the last two games, the O-line has looked analogous to a "blown coverage" in my view....it wasn't always that the OTs weren't executing assignments, it looked as though *there was an unblocked player no one had picked up*. That got me wondering: who is calling the protections for our OL?
Is it possible that Trent has been responsible for calling the protections for the O-line, and that one reason they blow so badly is his confusion with 3-4 D extends to the protections he's supposed to call? Could this be possible?