JimmyPage

I think just about any team has a shot at beating miami.

I was really suprised hearing schobel. He sounded like a moron.

There are still a half dozen or so die hard losman supporters in wny. I think they all post on the forum.

Don't worry I don't think you'll be proven wrong if JP starts.

Yeah but a lot of fans (not me) were saying that we had two good QBs that could be starters. As if JP was a lot better then the typical backup. I guess they were letting their imaginations get the better of them.

If we could trade Losman for a pass rusher that would be ideal. It'll never happen though, his trade value is nil.

When you come away with on B+ safety with two 1st rounders that is a bust.

If you haven't caught on after 4 years then chances are that you will never catch on.

I really don't mind if Losman is in there. All the controversy attached to it is a good thing. It's intersting to see what fans say after he puts in another one of his typical JP performances.

Noooooo not versus 24 against the worst defense. HERE Week 1; 24 (7 on a return) Week 2: 20 Week 3: 24 week 4: 24 (7 on a return) The 2nd year Qb put up at least 20 in 4 straight games. The 5th year QB put up 17. Now how hard is that to figure out? Do you realize how much difference there is in win/loss % between 17 and 24 in the NFL?

Well Hamilton hit the nail on the head with that one.

I never said that Edwards means the Bills get the ball more. LMFAO What could have given you that idea? They sustain drives when Edwards is in there. Why am I here? I'll answer that with a question. Why are you here? The coaches didn't prevent Losman from scoring points. Nothing the coaches did lead to Losman only putting up 17 In fact Losman himself has said how much he likes the OC's play calling. So they had one drive where they ran the ball and that is refusing to let Losman win? You cannot be serious! Do you honestly believe that when Edwards starts the Bills don't have at least one drive where they mostly run?

He did all he could? I guess when the maximum a QB can do (according to you) is put up 17 that is a problem. No wonder he's on the bench. The coaches didn't put him in a position to win? How does Edwards get it done then?

Ok so, they scored on 2 of the first 4 possessions , so you are Ok with it going completely south after that? It's not a 4 possession game. It's a 4 quarter game.

The final thing I want to say in this thread (hopefully anyways) is that most fans went into this season with the idea that the Bills had "two good QBs". This game to me cemented the reality that we have one good QB learning on the job at a fast pace, and we have very little hope with the backups. We do not have two good QBs. We better find a good backup for next season.. Let's just all hope that Edwards bounces back and picks up where he left off so we can all leave these Losman conversations where they belong...in the past. Hopefully that is not offensive to anyone.

Here are the key points to the whole thread: 1. We can look at this 2 ways 2. Most of the diehard JP fans refuse to look at it 2 ways, they want to look at it only one way Which way is that ? Answer: the defense played like crap so it didn't matter anyways. What is the other way to look at it? Answer :The offense with Losman at QB only put up 17 points vs arizona, very few defenses can beat arizona if their offense only puts up 17, so it didn't matter how the defense played anyways. They choose to assign blame to the defense to shield Losman. But the truth is it can easily be looked the other way around. Understand that no matter how bad the defense played Losman had his chances to produce. Funny thing about football is that you get the ball back every time the opponent scores. And the offense with Losman at the helm only put up 17. He certain isn't without blame in this loss. In fact he never gave the defense a chance to win it, did he? No, he certainly didn't. How do I look at it? The defense played like crap, had a very poor gameplan, and did not adjust. Losman looked like, well Losman, and that's not enough to get it done. Had the offense sustained and finished some drives Arizona wouldn't have scored 41. This game was lost on both offense and defense. I think, no, I know, we would have stood a better chance with Edwards in there.

I don't really want to go dig up your post but I thought you said Losamn was a better than average nfl QB which is quite different than saying better than average backup. Maybe I misread your post. On this other stuff about him being a good guy, lots of people thought OJ was a good guy too. What these athletes do in public events really doesn't tell you much. And let's be honest , some of the community things athletes involve themselves in, is in part done to bolster their image with the fans. Some of it is smart PR work directed by their agents, because when you are a fan favorite it helps. Do you think Losman was organizing clean up the streets events in his hometown or during his college days? Or did this stuff just happen to surface when multi-million dollar contracts came into play? I don't know the answers to those type of questions. It's just opinion, because we don't have much to go on, you think you know Losman and his character, I don't think I do or anyone here does.

They needed money to sign some elephant sized offensive linemen that can't block.

Come on stop nitpicking. They had two 1st rounders and we don't have much of a return on those picks.

I looked up who it is and it's Carmella DeCesare. LOL I've always considered her the hottest playmate. Forget Garcia just bring her in and put her with the Jills.

They rested on sunday.

That is where we differ, you're saying that they layed an egg against the Jets. I'm saying that they are about to be exposed, this is a bad defense.

What a bust he has been. We had two high 1st rounders and as it stands now we ended up with a decent safety out of it. I'm not impressed.

Ok I'll stand corrected on how I worded my comment. But I'm staying with saying that this Arizona defense is putrid and time will demonstrate that. Keep in mind that the 13 points was again the 49ers on opening day and the 10 was against Miami.

I feel confident in saying that time will prove that this Arizona defense is putrud. Do you mind if we revisit this post in a few weeks? Your 'point' about scoring 31 points vs St Louis supports my argument more than is discredits it. 31 points is what we need to see vs these putrid defenses, not a paltry 17. Certainly they could have done even more than scoring 31 (24 on offense) Bear in mind Losman is a 5th year QB putting up 17 vs Arizona. Edwards is a 2nd year QB making 4th quarter comebacks. What do you think Edwards will be capable of in his 5th year?