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8 hours ago, RaoulDuke79 said:
The only thing constant in life is change and I get it. But I'm very disenfranchised about how politics has taken over sports. I much preferred sports as an escape from the hum drum of every day life.
I agree with you but I balance it with the fact that sports is a fantastic avenue of African American power and influence over that community and almost every American community. And it is redefining the athlete role model in a very positive way that I hope everyone can appreciate despite the shared distaste of social and political issues during entertainment..
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1 hour ago, ExiledInIllinois said:
Everything up until the Spiders. I kinda like it. Different, yet basic.
Squished easily.
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47 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
Again though I don't believe that this is a question that you should boil down to pure economics about what is good for business. It is too important for that and the societal risks, in my view, make it unsuitable for that sort of market driven approach. The market won't give a flying kangaroo if their approach creates a social underclass disenfranchised from the rest of society. It never does. I may well be getting into a lot of my general critique of monetism and "free" markets here but if as a global community we get this question wrong the ramifications are extremely serious. It is a decision that should not for me be driven by anyone's bottom line.
Sure they would if it hurts business!
It's easy to think only about the economics (and many do) but it's also about keeping people as safe and healthy in the workplace as possible. I can never deny economics plays the major role in businesses but that doesn't make it mutually exclusive to a safe and healthy workplace. I wholeheartedly agree with you when it comes to mandating emergency-authorized use compounds, but approved, proven, safe compounds/vaccines to protect your workers I'm okay with.
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6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
I have explained why I think that above. Because for me this is too big and too fundamental a public policy question to be devolved on an individual basis to economic actors such as businesses. I am sceptical as a matter of public policy about the ability of economic nudge factors to deliver societal change without delivering significant downsides. Let's say for a second it is the NFL. Then it is car manufacturers. Then it is tech companies. And they all say "get vacced or you can't work here" and there becomes a diminishing pool of jobs open to non-vacced people. You are creating a two tier society that is going to give you a legacy of problems that last decades. That is why other than in those industries where it is really essential - and I understand and agree that there are some where it is - I don't think just devolving this decision about whether people must be vacced to industry is the right approach.
I get what you're saying, but if companies risk ruining their business because there are not enough vaccinated workers, then they need to come up with a different approach, don't they? To me, it's the same thing as mandatory drug screening. Some companies do away with it, or institute it individually as probation because they know mandatory screening would create too much turnover.
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2 hours ago, snafu said:
Thanks for that.
Still lame.
Guardians of traffic.
That logo is really lame but they have a lot of potential with the name. The Romanesque statues are amazing, one of the very few unique stories of Cleveland, and they overlook the stadium. The marketing people really need to play up the quiet-strength Roman-warrior look in their logo though. They blew it with a G-eared baseball. Hopefully they get tuned in before next season and really make it work.
Not a fan of the spiders myself
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4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
And I as I said earlier in certain industries I can see that the risk assessment is different. I can't yet be convinced coaching football falls into the same category as working in a hospital.
Well, I would simply say every organization conducts their own assessment of risk and responds accordingly. The NFL is a multibillion dollar high-profile business and I certainly understand that they want to minimize their Covid risk to keep the league going. Also, people pay attention to the example they set. Why does it only have to be "certain industries"?
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1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:
Indeed but how many of us suddenly have the terms of our employment on a matter as serious as this changed under our noses and the only options being conform or go? It is dangerous territory in my view. The league has provided a 3rd (tougher restrictions) option for players, I personally think they should do the same for coaches. And believe me I have little time for the anti-vax argument.
I have. The hospital I work at requires flu vaccine for every employee, conditional to employment. They mandated 10 years ago, I have been there 15. I work in research and have next to no contact with patients (maybe walking to lunch) but it didn't matter and it's been backed up by the courts. If I don't like it I can simply find another job.
My problem is that they mandate it as an emergency authorized drug. Mandating should not be allowed until full FDA approval. And I'm a big fan of the mRNA vaccines.
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On 7/7/2021 at 9:48 AM, Brennan Huff said:
Arby’s is the best fast food, period. You can never go wrong with a beef n cheddarBack in 2013/14, when Arby's came out with that smokehouse brisket sandwich, that was the best beef sandwich I ever had from a fast food place. Texture and cut seemed legit. Definitely caught my attention and $. After about a year or two they cheapened it up to the standard sliced cold-cut version and lost me instantly. Such a shame.
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12 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:
Thanks, I had no idea "same old Bills" went back that far!
Crazy how much faster the game has become. Today even Otto Graham would get yanked after a couple downs throwing that slow.
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2 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:
I told this story a couple of months ago. Our daughter had a baby in April. The hospital required she be tested before going to the hospital for an induced delivery. Her husband did not need to be tested, even though he was right there with her during the delivery. Why? Because he wasn't a patient. So then why was she tested? Answer....money! The Hospital gets more money if they can say they treated a Covid patient.
For cripes sakes, was her husband squirting bodily fluids out his *****? Anyone undergoing any invasive medical procedure will be tested for Covid. My dad, wife, and son all were, even though two were fully vaccinated at the time. It's called risk assessment and in the case of your daughter, it would be helpful considering the trauma to her body and her newborn's. The doctors and nurses performing procedures and caring for her would like to know. The hospital would like to make appropriate room procedures for staying overnight(s) at their facility.
Do you come off your "hospitals are just doing it for the Covid $$" rant long enough to realize there's a medical necessity here??? Your stupid hurts.
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5 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:
A relative of mine who was a front line worker said they tested everyone once they had enough tests regardless of cod and coded covid if positive because $$. Not sure if pervasive, but it’s possible all the data is garbage... I’m not suggesting covid wasn’t a problem, just that actual number are suspect, low early because of lack of identification and perhaps then later inflated due to financial incentive.
If a patient "died" of Covid but didn't die directly from it that is fraud. Anyone here who feels that happened to a family member should report it. I have no doubt that this happened to at least a small degree but fraud creates a wealth of repercussions to physicians and the hospital. If it happened to anyone here then report it so we can see if it is of any significance. I personally doubt it.
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5 hours ago, plenzmd1 said:
Look at many studies, across the board , in not mandated settings, heathcare vax rates well below 70%.
Posted the USA today article...quick qoogle search will lend many more.
That usa today article is behind a firewall (not sure how i read the first time..who pays for USA Today?)...but there was a quote in there like only 40% of the Covid team at one hospital is vaxed...
I found many more but they were dated winter and early spring. Some papers give content to sites like MSN and will allow free access but if you try and follow links within the article to other stories they're paywalled. Obviously there's the older model that gives access to like 5 per month then $$.
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7 hours ago, plenzmd1 said:
As I said, I am not anti vax, I was first in line to be jabbed , been fully vaxed since first week in April.
But to suggest that anyone who does not get the jab is a flake, or that ALL people in a given subset.. be they healthcare workers , or males, or females , or liberals, or African Americans have one view on the vaccine is short sighted and leads to distrust across the board.
BTW, I guess this sentence escaped your attention.
I am not labeling you as anti-vax or any such thing, and thanks for being willing to get jabbed. Nor do I feel anyone who doesn't get jabbed is a flake or anything worse. One of my problems is with those who have poor or incorrect reasons for making their arguments.
And yes, congratulations, you found one legitimate "first responder". Then you quote a KFF study that essentially looks at anyone who interacts with patients in some way ("frontline workers"), which includes appointment takers to cleaning staff.
If you want to argue health care workers, doctors and nurses, or first responders then realize those are all different groups, especially in terms of their risk or perceived risk to contracting Covid. That is why I feel your Houston example really doesn't support your first responder argument.
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52 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:
Hmm, seems some
first responders may disagree. Shocking
178 haven't gotten it. Not sure if any of those are actually first responders as the article doesn't say. You do understand "first responders" refers to emergency situations not simply hospital healthcare workers? Meanwhile, 24,947 of the healthcare workers in that hospital system are fully vaccinated.
I'd say you're undermining your own argument far more than supporting it.
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1 hour ago, dneveu said:
For me - it was how much the team responded to the Peterman incident. Coach tried to spark the offense after an absolutely terrible performance the week before (Tyrod's line - 9/18 56 yards, 1 INT, 2 sacks for 6 yards loss - so 20 pass plays that resulted in 50 yards plus his scrambles).
Got the team ready to play in KC, with Tyrod re-instated at QB, and won. Team was 5-5 and looking like a team that could finish like 6-10 and got them to win 4 of the last 6 games.
This without a doubt was THE defining moment for McDermott and the FO. 1. Despite the coachspeak and kind words, they proved they understood TT's future with the team. 2. Rallying the team to rebound where in past years they easily tank. Yep, our future started to need sunglasses after these two games.
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22 hours ago, plenzmd1 said:
here is my point. All the social distancing, surface disinfecting, mask guidelines etc were based on what was known about influenza. And that's fine, mistakes were made early and policies formed that were in error..all okay, this poop was new after all. I dont blame Fauci or Burke for saying looks like top end we will have 60-80K deaths, just like I don't blame Trump for hoping it will all go away by last Easter.
But then as @LeGOATski correctly stated, everything about this pandamic became political. People that could read and had an objective mind and were not blinded by political affiliation understood masking helped, but only effective masking(n95 ) and only if worn 100% correctly. Those same People understood the numbers behind schools, the joke of 6 feet particularly in schools and why it was based on bad science... They understood the numbers in states like Texas and Florida vs NEW York and CA...none of it mattered. Trump was bad, his followers were evil. anything they suggested had to be 100% wrong.
Masks , social distancing, disinfecting became not tools to fight the virus, but political theater, political statement...for both parties at the extreme.. and continue to be so. Its a damn shame, and man are we paying for it now.
I certainly agree this all became political and it's truly sad. From Cuomo to Trump.
All the distancing, disinfecting and masking would be employed for any pandemic virus, it wasn't based on influenza. We haven't done any of that for influenza in my lifetime. Viruses can't infect anyone if they don't have access to hosts. It's that simple. But certainly as the science developed, the disinfecting took a back seat for this virus.
Just as paper masks block air, they will therefore block much of the larger water particles and a good percent of the particles that remain aerosolized. The masks help protect those around you. Schools had success because of the masks and distancing, so I don't understand what you're referring to as "bad science"? Case numbers are reflective of many factors not just masking and distancing.
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On 5/17/2021 at 2:37 PM, leh-nerd skin-erd said:
Maybe, but business owners often are quick to recognize hypocrisy and bullshyt in action, and are likely less compliant than the average guy on the street. The pandemic lockdown would have ended in 15 minutes if govt employees were impacted in the way people who “refused” to watch their livelihoods evaporate overnight were impacted.
Pushing forward—I’d be hard pressed to believe lockdowns are in my best interests moving forward, and there is ample reason to feel as such. First time, I shut down, moved folks to remote, paid the costs associated with distancing and the plexiglassamania and generally served as a compliant citizen.
Maybe. Or maybe they just didn't want to put the time, effort and modest cost into precautions. They felt the government wouldn't get shut businesses down. They were wrong. Poor recognition, they got caught up in their own bullshyt. Then they turned around screaming bloody murder about it. Hypocrisy in action.
Lockdowns are in no one's best interests. They were simply a necessity with inadequate testing, equipment and knowledge how to treat/combat Covid. We learned quickly but so many on here easily forget how many unknowns were facing the medical community and the fact is the science is still developing. Ohio's public health director predicted 10-12k new cases a day last spring. I thought she missed by a long shot after cases topped out around 1300. Her predictions came true in the fall surge except the deaths part because the lockdown and summer bought us enough time to better treat it.
Hopefully that's all behind us now with Covid.
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19 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:
Yes it seems it is staged theater at second glance and it is the National Review. I wonder what China is really thinking....I still like to think we are so good at self inflicting the damage that they won’t need to formally destroy us. Just keep sucking out our wealth as we continue to fade to a secondary world power.
The politicians have already taken so much power and the near 50/50 polarization they’ve gotten us to ensured they can manifest their power.
Also, having an adversary pushes your country to be better. But I think that autocratic ego would rather we cease to exist. Especially after you look at an article like this:
https://www.newsweek.com/exclusive-inside-militarys-secret-undercover-army-1591881
Very frightening to me, plays right in to the deep state. Plus, the Chinese are right there with our technology in this.
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On 5/16/2021 at 4:04 AM, plenzmd1 said:
Wow. Not having the ability to worship together ,to be present at the death of a loved one to comfort them as they journey to the next stage,to celebrate the beginning a new life at childbirth or a new marriage union,
to break bread with my fellow human beings in a restaurant, not being able to gather at sporting events to celebrate our collective communities.
I have two college students that have basically missed 1/2 of their college experience , therefore all the personal growth that comes from that, to a virus that statistically kills less college aged student than alcohol overdoses.
But it’s great you wore a mask and feel your life did not change.I mean after all, that’s what really matters eh? Your life was not affected, screw the people who’s entire lives were disrupted or who could not say goodbye to loved one.
The CDC, therefore government , knew more than a year ago this was airborne. They know that meant cloth masks and distancing were useless, just making people feel better about the useless guindance they had given in the first month of the pandemic , all based on influenza. As we know, this was no flu. They knew 2 feet, 6 feet, twenty feet, none of it mattered, it was airborne. They know aerosols are only stopped by a n95 mask, yet they doubled and tripled down on that useless guidance to make folks have a false sense of security. They knew it did not transmit outside, that’s why they did not stop the protests. But they did not have the will nor the political fortitude to completely stop the spread and shut everything down, they doubled down on awful guidelines to appease the masses and let everyone feel they were sacrificing for the greater good. “
“ hey, I mask up, I stand 6 feet way, I am a good person and doing my part”.
and it worked to a tee. Tell some one a lie often enough and have the right sources shout it enough, even when the facts stare them in the face and tell them Otherwise , and they will believe. And it’s human nature to want to believe ,
to “‘do your part” I get it. It’s also political nature to gain as mush control as possible, by any means necessary.
Let this sink in. ‘We are not ready for people to be free this quick”. in the GD US of A. Not ready for people to be free this quick. Wow, and so many people agree with that statement.
There is a very good series on the PBS Doc channel on Amazon. Called The Dictator’s Platbook. . Details the rise and fall of 8 or so dictators in separate episodes, and the commonalities of their reigns. All of them have one thing in common...Control of the message around a common enemy. and convincing their governed that what they were going through was for the collective good and to defeat this ENEMY. Their government was there to protect and advance. Our leaders are just using Covid instead of another nation.
you should watch it, may open your eyes to what we have experienced the last 16 months.. from both parties mind you.
You do understand that virus spread is airborne, spread on water particles of all sizes? Larger and smaller?
You do understand that the MIT paper focused on the smallest particles able to remain airborne? They admitted in the paper they did not focus on spread via the larger droplets but explicitly stated wearing masks indoors for short times is your safest bet.
And, they completely ignored the fact that when you go indoors to a bar or restaurant, the masks come off when eating/drinking and hence the distancing becomes important to limit transmission via the larger water particles.
Just because they're at MIT and capable of good research doesn't mean the research is immune to personal bias.
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2 hours ago, dpberr said:
I think the experiences of the WFH employee, the small business owner and the employee in a non wFH trade or profession, and those that were laid off or furloughed due to the lockdown policies are *very* different.
The most vocal group for masks and lockdowns I encounter are the WFH crowd who felt no economic hardship. They remained fully employed, never lost a dollar. They didn't lose a business. They didn't lose months of income from that business. They didn't have to layoff people they know. They weren't forced to work in the summer heat with a mask on, working in a factory with it on, or wear it for an 8-12 hour shift. They didn't have to quit their job because the daycare closed and couldn't reopen.
I don't think people would have cared much at all about masks if the economy stayed open, and it certainly could have.
It certainly could have and probably will in the future because all those small/business owners will now listen and do what's needed. As opposed to last spring when the ones around me refused to make shop/workplace changes because they didn't actually believe they'd get shut down.
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On 5/15/2021 at 9:44 PM, Big Blitz said:
No he doesn't.
There is no way he's going out in public with no mask while his "kids" are wearing them. ZERO. None.
He may be a firm solid member of the Branch Covidians and he wears one all the time anyway. Raising solid little followers in the Church.
My Kids, who are actual real humans that need interaction that includes people seeing their faces, will not be wearing them, because their very whiny belligerent angry Dad ditches his permanently......and will not committ child abuse by making them wear the worthless face diaper.
It's science bro.
It's your science, which is a complete egotistical farce, as are you. My kids, who are actual humans also aren't such melodramatic chicken-littles because their dad is not.
I feel for your children, when years later they have to attempt to unpack what love you do show them from the overbearing, self-absorbed, toxic personality that is their father. I only pray it goes well for them and they can live happy, productive lives.
Oh yeah, subjugated to wear masks forever. Keep up the stupid. Child abuse.
Carry on, deranged whiner-king.
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17 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:
What a spot on assessment of our current reality. I guess the positive here is there is likely awareness that war will be unnecessary as we will simply continue to self destruct.Agree, but I don't think it's legit. I have a hard time believing an official document would so flippantly mention the Uyghers, for example. A couple other parts struck me in the same manner. Even so, we need to stop self polarizing and work on coming together to face this growing threat.
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17 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:
I have 2. They can easily handle wearing a mask because they're not whiny little #######s.
More importantly, they don't have a father who is a belligerent, pessimistic, whiny little ###ch.
They have a good father like you who realizes the importance of teaching their children optimism and finding silver linings in a challenging situation.
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2 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said:
Here's my problem with all these pronouncements. And what's more important than what they're saying is what they're not saying. Taking this last piece of the article, "it was necessary to keep wearing masks in crowds, when people are near others whose vaccination status they don't know".
So I got the Moderna vaccine and I am puzzled why the vaccination status of strangers matters to me? Because the premise behind getting vaccinated against COVID is to not get sick from the COVID virus. So even if there are un-vaccinated or COVID positive people in "the crowd" if the vaccine works I should not get infected. So why should I care about the vaccination status of everyone in the crowd as long as I know I am protected? I've done everything I can to make sure myself and everyone I have a responsibility for is protected to the best of my ability. I've done my part here. If others choose not to do that then that's the risk they take and that's their decision. Free will and the right to choose. I'm not responsible for them and its not my concern.
So what are these epidemiologists implying here? Are they saying the vaccines do not work? Are they saying I can still carry and incubate the virus in my system even if I am vaccinated and have antibodies in my system that stop the virus from replicating? Does the vaccine actually stop the virus from replicating or does it simply stop it from producing any of the symptoms of the infection? We need more information than just opinions, conclusions, and recommendations of epidemiologists. We need the details on the facts and the information they're using to reach their conclusions.
They've required vaccinated people to wear masks because while the vaccine protects you, it was previously unknown if it would prevent you from (temporarily) carrying and spreading it to others. Basic masks are for protecting others, not yourself.
But the early research evidence I have seen shows the vaccine does in fact prevent you from being a spreader.
The CDC has said current evidence is strong enough. Other epidemiologists might currently disagree. It'll all work out in time but this is still new science so you'll have more sharply disagreeing opinions.
Cleveland Indians announce their new name: Cleveland Guardians
in Off the Wall
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Dear dumb hat,
I'm not down with the racist crap being thrown at you, but would like to point out these are your truths and perceptions which are not unique but are they shared by American Indians? Have you listened to how they feel about something that directly refers to their race?
Will we see American Indians protesting the replacement of their beloved name with "Guardians"?