John Cocktosten

I don't want to digress but he's been picking in the single digits in the first round. Kind of different when you're picking form the back or middle of the first. And even though I like Dareus, he's been a massive underachiever. Outside of the QBs taken in '11, who were EJ-esque head scratchers, Dareus is the biggest disappointment by far out of the top 10 and it's not even close. How bout taking a look at the rest of his drafts. The '11 is crashing and burning as we speak. It's a complete train wreck.

See, even I can teach you something. Yes, Nix has failed and if he'd been with another organization that cares about winning he'd be gone. Actually, he would've never been hired in the first place. We can go point by point about why Nix has been horrible but I'll wrap it all up and save time by saying look at the record. Remember the baby? I really don't see how that's not fair. My tendencies are fair, they just don't fall in line with the "Fan at all costs" mentality. The Marrone pick was a great hire to me. Isn't that implied? I didn't like any of the Qbs but you had to grab one. But going after him at #16 is just the Bills going all last 14 years on everybody. I say time has already told us a lot about EJ. Most say time will tell.

"best defenses" he played was Florida. Florida had more defensive players drafted in the first 3 rounds than the "great defenses" of Va Tech and Maryland. Are you kidding me right now? ACC's best defenses are average at best. Look at the OOC results. RG3 put up 5 TDs against every team he played regardless of comp. Here's the link, go for it. http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/schedule/_/id/239/year/2011/baylor-bears What RG3 didn't play with was a defense full of NFL players. Just facts that I'm throwing out there. It makes the game a bit tougher when your defense routinely is giving up 40-50 points like Baylor s did . No? Thanks.

Where are the insults and cheesey name calling? A little sensitive? If you watched CFB, which it's pretty clear that you just read box scores, you'd know that Va Tech got slammed by the good offensive teams last year. It's easy to shutout Austin Peay or Bowling Green. But let's look drill down a bit. Clemson, Miami, UNC and Pitt rolled up at least 30. Why am I even defending this. Va Tech had their worst team in 15 years. This is a fact. That defense was terrible. They gave up 41 to DUKE for god sakes! How is pointing out that ND '11 team was completely different than this years team (albeit very overrated) denigrating? You are just a touch too sensitive. And pointing out wins over Wake Freeking Forest, Pitt and South Florida? Wow.....Just stop already. Btw, What happened to Maryland's steel curtain?

That's a total myth about Manning in college. He lost 3 games in the SEC his last 3 years at UT. They were all against one team. The late 90's UF teams were some of the best in the last 30 years of CFB. I'll take a 21-3 record against the SEC any day of the week. I believe he threw for close to 100 tds as well. If that's not clutch, what is? He's essentailly a 4 year starter. How much developing is their left. I think it's a case of what you see is what you get with EJ because he's shown very little growth IMO. If he had a "great" progression, FSU would've been playing in the BCS championship game.

Well it's definitely not a case of revisionist history because I'm saying before hand. You have 113 posts so you probably haven't been here for too long. Go ahead and read through history, I' don't say I told ya so and never have.....well maybe with Nix (but come on, are people that blind?!?) I was on the board the day Marrone got hired saying that I loved the hire and was getting slammed for it so is that good enough or do I have to drink the entire cup of Kool Aid? Don't get honesty mixed up with negativity or else you'll wind up like on of them.

Fair but what am I supposed to base my opinions on? Defenses like WF, Maryland and USF? Or his tougher games like OU and UF? That's how CFB goes, you might play 3-4 good teams per year and the rest are against very average comp. To me, great QBs will their team to wins. I've watched football for a long time and we've all seen guys like Brady and Manning do this even when the rest of the team doesn't have it. Not sure how they do it but it's an intangible that very few QBs have. That's why I loved R WIlson. The effect he had on Wisky in '11 should have won him the Heisman. He transformed that team. I've never seen that out of EJ.

The fact that you brought up Maryland and Va Tech says all you know about CFB. Last Year was Va Tech's worst season in 15 years. They had to win their last game of the year to be bowl eligible. Maryland literally lost every QB on the roster and had a starting LB playing QB at the year's end. You can't be serious. Do you remember the OU game in '11? EJ was playing horribly and got hurt. The backup Clint Trickett came in and outplayed EJ tying the game in the 4th. The rest of your "stats' are laughably funny. Look at what those defenses do outside of the ACC. That ND team was a 5 loss team that they beat and started 3 freshman (Floyd, Tuitt, Nix) on the DL. That being said, that was EJ's best game that year so I'll give you one. Please stat boy, I could make a case that Fitz was accurate in '11 by his comp%. But I chose to watch the games and realized that it was a total fluke.

Yeah it was absurdly loaded and FSU would've lost to Va Tech and Ga Tech if it wasn't for the D. Did you see how many players were taken? If B Jenkins and Carridine don't get hurt, they might have had 3 DE's go in the first round with three 5 Star backups. Christain Jones and Joyner were second round locks who stayed in college as well. Not to mention T Jurnigan who will be a first rounder but is a true soph. Oh and Rhoades....so I guess they were loaded. The defense didn't blow that game if you actually watched. An offense should be able to score more than 16 on a terrible defense. At least NC St had a decent QB. Teams like Miami, UNC and Tenn put up at least 35 on NCst. Hell Clemson almost scored 70 I think. So yeah, the defense did enough. the EJ led offense let them down that game. *you're.....This is trolling. I'm expressing my opinion. I didn't like Tebow, Sanchez or Leinart either. Was that trolling?

Can I ask you a question- can I not like the pick? Can I have an educated point of view just because you don't agree with it? I'm not concerned about being right, I'm concerned that the Bills made the wrong choice again. I won't be rooting against him but my expectations of him are far from the anointed savior that so many, who haven't seen him in a game outside of youtube, think he is. I agree with you about the play calling. Jimbo is a known control freak with his players and coaches (mass exodus). That being said, Jimbo didn't turn the ball over 4 times in the biggest game of the season at home. Jimbo didn't fail to log a single point against NCst in the second half. EJ has never been able to do it by himself. Just facts.

I really don't have to do research because I know CFB inside and out. I know that FSU recruits as well as any other team and hasn't had a class outside of the top 10 in 5-6 years. They have a ridiculous group of of 5* running back, Wr's and a top TE. His first team Oline wasn't bad either although they do lack depth. Their defense is absurdly loaded with 5* depth at every position which gives the offense an advantage in every single game. They have the best recruiting base in the country and that's not even arguable. SO you should do some research. Not sure why you are bringing up the SEC. The ACC has been particularly terrible the last few years and that's where EJ has looked his best. When he has to play against teams OOC like Florida or Oklahoma, he doesn't look quite as good. Go back and run the numbers. I don't have to because I actually watched the games.

EJ made a living off of terrible ACC defenses. He hit a brick wall when he had to play a top defense. That game was huge for FSU and he failed despite playing at home and having a ton of offensive talent. That's EJ though, he's good enough to fit in but he will never win a game by himself.

To be fair, he's been busy scouting QB's.

16-32 baby! You're definitely the band manager.

I'll translate: "The Bills are going to be bad for a long time."

It's like a playoff beard. Until the trend is stopped by the Bills actually doing something on the field it stays. And let me clarify, I'm a miserable Bills fan. How can't you be when we reach yet again?

Kiko is a very good football player. Actually Brown and him are very similar but Brown played WSLB in a 4-3. Kiko played in a super aggressive 34 scheme and is always around the ball. If he keeps his house in order, you'll love the pick. Looks like the Ravens grabbed Brown! That's a pretty good endorsement I guess.

Kiko is rock solid. He played in a super aggressive scheme at Oregon which should translate well here. He stood out during the Rose Bowl game vs Wisky as one of the best players on the field which was loaded with talent (Just don't watch his interview after). He's always around the ball. Very good pick.

The same Clemson team that gave up 70 to Gino and WVU? Clemson is perennially the worst defense in the ACC. He did play well in the ND bowl game but that ND team wasn't the team we saw last year. They were a mediocre 4 loss team who had 4 freshman starting on the d line and Touchdown Tommy at QB. He played well though but not great. It sounds like you're a FSU fan. Tell me how he played against UF in the biggest game of his career? Tell me why he couldn't put his team on his back for one drive vs NCst and win that game. Every FSU fan that I know has pride that he was picked that high but think it's laughable. He was the sole reason why you weren't playing for a championship this year and any real fan knows that.

Arthur Brown would be awesome here.

Would be a great pickup and he's a great kid.

Typical response from an all time Polly. Can I not give my point of view in response to the EJ jerkfest? I was doing a lot of defending the day Marrone was announced as head coach so does that cancel out my opinion on EJ? Or do I still lose my fan card? I'm not happy when I'm right regarding the Bills. It's really not that hard when it comes to the Bills. It's like betting against the table in craps,it usually wins but you're never popular with the the losers.

I'm not busting on him for his record in bowl games. I'm saying that bowl games don't matter unless it's the big ones. Kids are suspended, academically ineligible, checked out and playing not to get hurt. Hard to judge a completely meaningless game between two 5 loss teams after a 40 day layoff and vacation in between. 4-0 is good but when you drill down it's nothing to get excited about. You're right about NIx picking a QB. If we get EJ in the second it doesn't feel as bad. But to take him ahead of 4-5 players who are simply better than EJ because our GM fell asleep for 3 years on draft day doesn't justify the pick. Especially if you've actually followed EJ's career. Die hard Nole fans will tell you that EJ has everything except the ability to put a team on his back and win a big game. He's never done it and if you're picking at 16, that's who I want. Not a project. I would never put a dime on EJ in a big game. He didn;t stand a chance against a non ACC defense. I was right.

Orange Bowl against MAC champion Northern Illinois. How did they do against a BCS team from the SEC a game earlier? They got crushed at home by their biggest rival, I've been on this board now for a long time and you can go back and check my history. You'd be hard pressed to find me being anything but truthful....and right. Read my quote in my sig, it says it all.

Bowl games that meant nothing. Not sure if you know this but the big games in CFB are played during the season if it's they're not the BCSCG. Like the OU game in '11 or the UF game this year. His best game was against a very good Clemson team who gave up 70 to WVU. You'll be happy with this pick CB97! EJ is a lot like your boy LeFevour! I'll give it to you though CB. You're a true super fan who still defends every decision and I commend you for that. But if you look at the track records on this board for the last 5-6 years, you've been wrong about....95% of the time. Thank God there are enough Pollys around here to make you feel better! PM me with your address. I might as well send you the beer. Good one.