Big Daddy JC Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 If he doesn't pan out, we can call him "The Flat." I wouldn't say that out loud too close to him or he may redefine the term using you as the visual aid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 Because if they are the 1 in 25 that make the team and maybe even final roster, you have them for three years instead of two. It doesn't cost you a penny more up front and the only difference is in the numbers on the template contract. That may be, but spreading dead bonus money over three rather than two years may be more cap friendly. I suppose it would be helpful to see what length contracts the 6th and 7th round picks are signing as a benchmark. Anybody know, for example, how long Demetrius Bell signed for last year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 That may be, but spreading dead bonus money over three rather than two years may be more cap friendly. I suppose it would be helpful to see what length contracts the 6th and 7th round picks are signing as a benchmark. Anybody know, for example, how long Demetrius Bell signed for last year? The bonuses they get are like $10,000. Bell: 7/1/2008: Signed a four-year, $1.762 million contract. The deal included a $56,500 signing bonus. 2009: $385,000, 2010: $470,000, 2011: $555,000, 2012: Free Agent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 The bonuses they get are like $10,000. Bell: 7/1/2008: Signed a four-year, $1.762 million contract. The deal included a $56,500 signing bonus. 2009: $385,000, 2010: $470,000, 2011: $555,000, 2012: Free Agent Cool, thanks for the info (where do you find that stuff, BTW). I'd think a 7th rounder wouldn't get much of a bonus, since what leverage does he have? OTOH, some priority guys at the margin may prefer to go undrafted, so there's competition for their services. Still, in the grand scheme of things, the SB can't be that large I suppose... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 Cool, thanks for the info (where do you find that stuff, BTW). I'd think a 7th rounder wouldn't get much of a bonus, since what leverage does he have? OTOH, some priority guys at the margin may prefer to go undrafted, so there's competition for their services. Still, in the grand scheme of things, the SB can't be that large I suppose... rotoworld is great for contracts. 1] The player news page is: http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playernews.aspx?sport=NFL 2] In the upper right there is a little box that says "player search". 3] Type in just the last name, like "Bell" 4] It takes you to a page with all the "Bells" in football and baseball, etc. 5] Click on the guy you want, Demetrius Bell" and it goes to his player page. 6] In the main box you will see his contract but click on "details" and it gives the whole thing. I have yet to see them be wrong, it's usually quite reliable, and updates almost instantly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Daddy JC Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 The bonuses they get are like $10,000. Bell: 7/1/2008: Signed a four-year, $1.762 million contract. The deal included a $56,500 signing bonus. 2009: $385,000, 2010: $470,000, 2011: $555,000, 2012: Free Agent What is the league minimum now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 What is the league minimum now? Years Experience Minimum Salary 0 $260,000 1 $460,000 2 $535,000 3 $610,000 4–6 $795,000 7–9 $920,000 10+ $1.1 mil This is according to wiki, so not sure of its validity but probably correct for 2008. I think, but not sure, that UDFA can be paid less than rookies. I think it is $225K and that table says rookies are 260K. It does go up a little every year so it may be a little more than that table shows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Daddy JC Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 Years Experience Minimum Salary0 $260,000 1 $460,000 2 $535,000 3 $610,000 4–6 $795,000 7–9 $920,000 10+ $1.1 mil This is according to wiki, so not sure of its validity but probably correct for 2008. I think, but not sure, that UDFA can be paid less than rookies. I think it is $225K and that table says rookies are 260K. It does go up a little every year so it may be a little more than that table shows. Wikipedia is proof of the axiom - garbage in, garbage out. Any other sources? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 Years Experience Minimum Salary0 $260,000 1 $460,000 2 $535,000 3 $610,000 4–6 $795,000 7–9 $920,000 10+ $1.1 mil This is according to wiki, so not sure of its validity but probably correct for 2008. I think, but not sure, that UDFA can be paid less than rookies. I think it is $225K and that table says rookies are 260K. It does go up a little every year so it may be a little more than that table shows. I could never find a source, but I recall reading that the pay for a week in camp for participants not under contract was something like $7,400. A point to ponder when one takes that first bite of an NFL stadium 4 dollar hot dog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 Wikipedia is proof of the axiom - garbage in, garbage out. Any other sources? Cha Cha says, for 2009, it's $310,000 for rookies, $385,000 for 1 year vets, $845,000 for 10 year vets (there are other numbers in between from 2-9). Cha Cha (an ask.com kind of information source) is pretty accurate as far as I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Daddy JC Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 Cha Cha says, for 2009, it's $310,000 for rookies, $385,000 for 1 year vets, $845,000 for 10 year vets (there are other numbers in between from 2-9). Cha Cha (an ask.com kind of information source) is pretty accurate as far as I know. Cha Cha... never heard of them before. Do they dance around the hard questions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 Cha Cha... never heard of them before. Do they dance around the hard questions? Cha Cha is awesome. Text 242-242 and ask them anything and they text you the answer right back within a few minutes for free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Daddy JC Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 Cha Cha is awesome. Text 242-242 and ask them anything and they text you the answer right back within a few minutes for free. any costs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WellDressed Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 As we get into Ovechkin’s Mercedes, he says to me, “Sit in back.” Then he fires up his 700 HP AMG and peels out. I lean forward and ask if he has acquired any American ways. “No! No! No!” he says. “I am Rooshian. I stay Rooshian all my life.” Then he cranks up eastern European techno that drowns out any more questions. (Ovechkin’s agent Konstantin) Selinevich is 38 but looks much younger, a slight man with a short, spiky hairdo. He tells me he has been in America for 11 years. When I ask what he’s been doing, he says, “Selling drugs and banging girls. I bring Russian girls to whorehouses in States.” Then he laughs. Driving through Baltimore, (Ovechkin) takes a pinch of tobacco and puts it inside his cheek. He comes up on the bumper of a Saab approaching a green light. The light turns yellow, and the Saab stops. Ovechkin screams out, “Go through !@#$ing light! See what I mean? In Russia, yellow light means ‘!@#$ it.’ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 any costs? I did say "for free", didn't I? In the sentence you quoted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mousetrap08 Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 Ring our Bell. he'd ring your bell i bet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Daddy JC Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 I did say "for free", didn't I? In the sentence you quoted? I guess I should have Cha Cha'd that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mousetrap08 Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 I see PS for sure. Don't see him making the roster (except for injury) with Walker, Butler, Hangartner, Wood, Levitre, D. Bell, Chambers, and McKinney ahead of him. yea, practice squad all the way but not a bad player to have there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WellDressed Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 Letang has the yips tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WellDressed Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 Letang has the yips tonight. Must have switched to a long stick (putter) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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