VOR Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Oh, the concussion angle again. Never mind Trent saying he felt unprepared for the Cleveland game. Did the concussion cause Edwards to throw 3 picks? You simply cannot completely dismiss the concussion. And Edwards wasn't named the starter until JP got injured. How that's Jauron's fault is anyone's guess! This season will tell a lot about Edwards. He's got the skill position players around him. Time to put up or shut up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SABURZFAN Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Dick doesn't know dick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynical Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 You simply cannot completely dismiss the concussion. I am not dismissing it. But the concussion was not cause for all of Edwards problems last year. Edwards threw 3 picks in the Cleveland game. Those 3 picks were caused by: A. a concussion B. Trent being unprepared And Edwards wasn't named the starter until JP got injured. How that's Jauron's fault is anyone's guess! Two questions: 1. Was JP gone for the year because of that injury? 2. Who named Edwards the starter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firstngoal Posted March 25, 2009 Author Share Posted March 25, 2009 So what would Jauron do if Stafford somehow fell to #11? He'd draft him for the the Lions, but pass on him for the Bills because he's "married" to Trent Edwards as his quarterback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 What i am syaing is that he could have and should have done it the other way around. I spoke with one NFL scout last year, who btw came from INDY, and was there when they drafated Peyton. He had Ryan graded out as the same as Peyton. Now i did not believe him. But after the first game heck the first throw of Ryans career, i started becoming a believer. Right now the Falcons have two proven pieces for success in the NFL. A starting LT and a great QB. Dolphins have a starting LT and an unknown at QB. What would you rather have going into the next couple of years of your franchise???? The Ray Perkins tree of coaches has been far more successful at winning championships than has Peyton Manning. The approach has been proven to work repeatedly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VOR Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 I am not dismissing it. But the concussion was not cause for all of Edwards problems last year. Edwards threw 3 picks in the Cleveland game. Those 3 picks were caused by: A. a concussion B. Trent being unprepared When I heard Trent claim that, I literally did this . Two questions:1. Was JP gone for the year because of that injury? 2. Who named Edwards the starter? Sorry, I misspoke. Trent wasn't named the starter after JP's injury in the first game of 2007. He got several starts and then the team went back to JP. Then they went back to Trent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 The Ray Perkins tree of coaches has been far more successful at winning championships than has Peyton Manning. The approach has been proven to work repeatedly. Since you are comparing the success of one person vs many, what we should really look at is the winning % of Peyton Manning, vs the average of the coaches from the Perkins tree. Otherwise it really doesn't mean anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 So what would Jauron do if Stafford somehow fell to #11? What did he do when Cutler fell to us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Since you are comparing the success of one person vs many, what we should really look at is the winning % of Peyton Manning, vs the average of the coaches from the Perkins tree. Otherwise it really doesn't mean anything. Parcells, Belichick, Coughlin ... these guys have established themselves as the elite of the NFL. You can take a crap on their records if you want and hold up Peyton Manning as the poster boy of the fallacious "all you need is a great QB" argument if you want. Great QBs are fun to watch and they put butts in the seats, no question. But, having a great QB does not automatically gift someone a championship. Marino, Kelly, Tarkenton ... Hall of Fame, great QBs ... no championships. Meanwhile, Mark Rypien, Jeff Hostetler, and Trent Dilfer are champions. Sure, it doesn't mean anything other than some people can't get it through their head that it is a team game and the sport has evolved from the days when you just put 22 athletes out on the field and kicked the opposition's ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Parcells, Belichick, Coughlin ... these guys have established themselves as the elite of the NFL. You can take a crap on their records if you want and hold up Peyton Manning as the poster boy of the fallacious "all you need is a great QB" argument if you want. I will do nothing of the sort, and I don't believe in the QB is everything, philosophy. If you've read my posts in the many QB arguments, over the years, you'd know that I believe the QB is one cog in the maching...a very important cog, to be sure...but the QB is not the end off any football team. OTOH, a good (or great) QB makes life a lot easier on the offense, most of the time. But, the comparison you made total championships of several vs. the championships of one is flawed...that's all I'm saying. Personally, I wouldn't use that as a basis for the argument. But, maybe there is something there. But you would need to compare the avg of the records of ALL the coaches from the Perkins tree (not just the most successful) to Manning, if you really want to pursue that path, IMO. But, what it ignores is, Parcells and Belicheat are the top end of the principles of the Perkins tree, and Peyton is at the top of the QB scale. Most teams have neither. Actually, I happen to believe there are a number of different paths to success..nobody has the magic bullet that works in all situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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