EndZoneCrew Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 We have to think about the injury concern!!!!!!...if we pay semi-big bucks for Jennings he NEEDS to be healthy...that just will NOT happen....if anything we should sign Williams to a moderate contract then move Teague back to tackle and get a real "center" in here!!! Any thoughts????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICE Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 From what I have read (Thanks to our resident cap expert) we will have a good amount of cap room This offseason. I might franchise him. Yeah I know blah blah blah, but what if we get two 2nds for him? WE NEED the draft picks for this offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EndZoneCrew Posted November 2, 2004 Author Share Posted November 2, 2004 From what I have read (Thanks to our resident cap expert) we will have a good amount of cap room This offseason. I might franchise him. Yeah I know blah blah blah, but what if we get two 2nds for him? WE NEED the draft picks for this offseason. 96266[/snapback] Do you think teams would want him that bad? He is definately not worth top-5 $$$$$.....so if other teams fail to show interest in him....TD can just lift the tag and say au revoir! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICE Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 You can always package him like you would normally do AND A player like Sam Adams for a 1st round pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thailog80 Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 F.. F.. F.. F.... Franchise JJ? No way then we get stuck paying his injured ass Odgen type money? NO NO NO!!!!!!!!! Thats way to risky for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EndZoneCrew Posted November 2, 2004 Author Share Posted November 2, 2004 good idea....but I do not see it happening....we NEED to draft a center, that goes without question...Teague can move, I can see him being at least an average tackle...and with JPL in the lineup, it won't be as glaring of a problem because he will not just absorb those hits like a sponge (like some people we know. )..he will get the hell out of the way, like he should! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICE Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 F.. F.. F.. F.... Franchise JJ? No way then we get stuck paying his injured ass Odgen type money? NO NO NO!!!!!!!!! Thats way to risky for me. 96282[/snapback] Tdog, All you have to do is take the tag off of him. We get it back and immediately free up the cap room. We wont do it of course, but I would. I am 100% against letting players with any value go for nothing. Understand something here folks...some of you laugh at FT Jennings. There ARE Teams that would surrender picks for him. Ryan leaf got 3 chances in this league. Teams feel they can salvage someone elses guys. Jennings is good when healthy. I am sure some teams Training staff is calling ours idiots and can convince a front office they can "heal" him. I say tag him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thailog80 Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 Tdog, All you have to do is take the tag off of him. We get it back and immediately free up the cap room. We wont do it of course, but I would. I am 100% against letting players with any value go for nothing. Understand something here folks...some of you laugh at FT Jennings. There ARE Teams that would surrender picks for him. Ryan leaf got 3 chances in this league. Teams feel they can salvage someone elses guys. Jennings is good when healthy. I am sure some teams Training staff is calling ours idiots and can convince a front office they can "heal" him. I say tag him. 96289[/snapback] Maybe I don't understand the FT completely? I thought that when you designated a franchise player you guaranteed him one year with a salary equivalent to average of the top five paid players at that specific position and the entire salary counts against that years cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICE Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 Maybe I don't understand the FT completely? I thought that when you designated a franchise player you guaranteed him one year with a salary equivalent to average of the top five paid players at that specific position. 96293[/snapback] Now add this to the end of what you just said... "Unless you TRADE the player or pull the FT". You were right, just not completely What it does is take that # out of your cap. THEN you can go spend money. But if you trade him (See peerless price) you get that cap room back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeRay Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 From what I have read (Thanks to our resident cap expert) we will have a good amount of cap room This offseason. I might franchise him. Yeah I know blah blah blah, but what if we get two 2nds for him? WE NEED the draft picks for this offseason. Let's look at this realistically, OK. Jennings becomes a FA. If he gets franchised, that means the Bills must automatically commit about $8M toward the salary cap (avg. of the top 5 LTs). Is Jennings worth that kind of money??? Well, when you consider he's never played a full season and he's not proven to be in the same league as Jon Ogden, Willie Roaf, Orlando Pace, Walter Jones, Trezell Jenkins, he just doesn't cut it. Is he even in the top 10? Well, I'd rather have Mike Pearson, Jason Fabini, Todd Steussie, Barrett Robbins, and Todd Light... So, I don't think Jennings mesures up to those guys well either. Even if he were in the top 10, and you hope to get some sort of compensation for losing him to FA, the only option would be to name him your transition player and hope some team is stupid enough to give up a late 1st rounder for him... maybe Atlanta... I don't know. I do know that Jennings has demonstrated not to be the long term answer at LT for the Bills. My idea of a solid LT is one that plays at least 2 full back to back seasons and makes a noticeable difference in the team's offense. I don't see either with Jennings.... Marcus Price comes in for him and I don't notice a difference in the offense... it's still bad. My bottom line is... I think the Bills should onlt re-sign Jennings only at a reasonable salary... and I would say a reasonable salary would be the average wage for a top 20 starting LT... definitely not any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest_eyedog_* Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 I'm not exactly sure how the franchise tag works, but what if they do tag him and Jennings and his agent want to sign that contract as soon as it hits the table ? Do the Bills have to go through or can they take it back ? And nobody will give you a #1 for two older/injury prone players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Live&DieBillsFootball Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 Once again I find myself agreeing with Ice. Hopefully, we can get something for him and then sign somebody else to play LT. JJ has had some good games, some bad games and has been injured way too often. I don't think that Teague is the answer at LT either. OL has been the biggest reason that we are 2-5. Our defense and ST have played great this year. I think that if we had a solid OL, we would be closer to 5-2 at this point. Mike Williams cost us this year by coming to camp in such lousy shape. Then Teague gets hurt, JJ gets hurt and we put in Smith at LG. If we had been better able to run and protect DB better, things would have been different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 I would not be opposed to the Bills using the tag on JJ. As stated it would surely be a way to recoup something for him if indeed he does want to leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 I would not be opposed to the Bills using the tag on JJ. As stated it would surely be a way to recoup something for him if indeed he does want to leave. 96975[/snapback] What if he wants to stay at 8 million ? To much for someone who can't stay on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 What if he wants to stay at 8 million ? To much for someone who can't stay on the field. 97074[/snapback] True, but for one year it wouldn't kill us... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamOnDan Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 I agree with Ice, but I have to say I don't want him back next year. I would rather have somebody almost as good but stays healthy. If TD breaks the bank for anybody I hope it is a couple of lineman. McNally is clearly frustrated with our overall talent on the line. You don't put Sam and Bannan in for fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EndZoneCrew Posted November 2, 2004 Author Share Posted November 2, 2004 I agree with Ice, but I have to say I don't want him back next year. I would rather have somebody almost as good but stays healthy. If TD breaks the bank for anybody I hope it is a couple of lineman. McNally is clearly frustrated with our overall talent on the line. You don't put Sam and Bannan in for fun. 97155[/snapback] Nothing like franchising an injury prone average LT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 Nothing like franchising an injury prone average LT 97165[/snapback] Well it's kinda complicated because really the only reason he's considered average is because of the frequent injuries. Otherwise he has shown that when healthy he is above average at both pass and run blocking. He is (when healthy) often left on an island and has faired quite well vs. some of the better pass rushers in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 Well it's kinda complicated because really the only reason he's considered average is because of the frequent injuries. Otherwise he has shown that when healthy he is above average at both pass and run blocking. He is (when healthy) often left on an island and has faired quite well vs. some of the better pass rushers in the game. 97181[/snapback] I disagree. He's the definition of average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted November 2, 2004 Share Posted November 2, 2004 I disagree. He's the definition of average. 97184[/snapback] examples? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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