fisheralum Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 I am increasingly troubled by law enforcement in general. This is just crazy. If he's not mayor, I bet we never hear about this. In all likelyhood, these innocent people probably go to jail. This probably happens more than we know. Raid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 !@#$ed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted August 9, 2008 Share Posted August 9, 2008 The best part of it is going to be the final bill, all footed by the taxpayers. A SWAT team. Dogs killed. Inevitable lawsuits, etc. I guaratee this "package" is going to cost taxpayers over a million. Yeah, that's gonna be worth it. Yep, let's continue the "War on Drugs". It's definitely winnable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steely Dan Posted August 9, 2008 Share Posted August 9, 2008 I wonder if there was drugs in that package. Will they be added to the package? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted August 9, 2008 Share Posted August 9, 2008 I wonder if there was drugs in that package. Will they be added to the package? The article said it was 32 lbs. of maryjane. Still, an absurd reaction considering they knew nothing about the origin and should have known everything about the suspect. I'm guessing the mayor doesn't live in a neighborhood reputed for violent drug dens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisheralum Posted August 9, 2008 Author Share Posted August 9, 2008 The article said it was 32 lbs. of maryjane. Still, an absurd reaction considering they knew nothing about the origin and should have known everything about the suspect. I'm guessing the mayor doesn't live in a neighborhood reputed for violent drug dens. Some kind of scheme where the drugs are mailed to an unsuspecting address, and then intercepted. Maybe the bad guys knew the police were on to them. Anyway, the police shot one of the dogs in the back as it was running for cover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted August 9, 2008 Share Posted August 9, 2008 Some kind of scheme where the drugs are mailed to an unsuspecting address, and then intercepted. Maybe the bad guys knew the police were on to them. Anyway, the police shot one of the dogs in the back as it was running for cover. I would guess that is a standard tactic for dealers. It makes a lot of sense. Shooting the dogs is indefensible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UConn James Posted August 9, 2008 Share Posted August 9, 2008 I am increasingly troubled by law enforcement in general. Speaking as someone in a family with quite a few police/LE.... sad to say I agree. You grant a lot of leeway for actions that come out of the heat of the moment encounters/real jeopardy for personal safety. But more and more, as power has gone a little more unquestioned and employment standards have dropped, we see the kind of results. Cops firing tasers it seems more to try out their new toys than as a next-to-last means (have heard several of those relatives, including my brother who's a cop in a fairly large city in this state, say, 'You just wouldn't believe how many sh--heads carry a badge, many through nepotism.'), several in this region recently who have chased motorcycles (when many depts' policy is no-chase, for good reason) and wound up killing innocents in wrecks, the beatings that you can recall from videos (not nearly always the full story, but the breadth of the beatings goes overboard), pumping suspects with 100 bullets. This is yet another example... quite similar to what happened in Ruby Ridge with the ATF. And the officers who conducted this raid were 100% unapologetic. Shot a dog in the back as it was running away! (If it were my dog, it would take everything I had not to respond in like kind). Sorry, but the Constitution doesn't grant this kind of power that has only gotten more brazen b/c it goes largely w/o consequences other than big municipal payouts b/c it's attributed to the chain of command or something similar to the 'fog of war.' True, they have a tough job with a lot of stress. Most truly care deeply about the community they serve. And don't expect it to get any easier for police as times get more and more desperate. But it's the aggregate of sh-- like this that doesn't help their cause. My brother has seriously thought about quitting --- the daycare bill for two children is $640/week while he makes $700/week. After taxes, car, insurance, gas, etc. it actually costs money to go to work. Only way you can get slightly ahead is massive amounts of overtime, and you kill your marriage/family life that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ieatcrayonz Posted August 9, 2008 Share Posted August 9, 2008 I would guess that is a standard tactic for dealers. It makes a lot of sense. Shooting the dogs is indefensible. Maybe the dogs shouldn't hang around with drug dealers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisheralum Posted August 9, 2008 Author Share Posted August 9, 2008 Speaking as someone in a family with quite a few police/LE.... sad to say I agree. You grant a lot of leeway for actions that come out of the heat of the moment encounters/real jeopardy for personal safety. But more and more, as power has gone a little more unquestioned and employment standards have dropped, we see the kind of results. Cops firing tasers it seems more to try out their new toys than as a next-to-last means (have heard several of those relatives, including my brother who's a cop in a fairly large city in this state, say, 'You just wouldn't believe how many sh--heads carry a badge, many through nepotism.'), several in this region recently who have chased motorcycles (when many depts' policy is no-chase, for good reason) and wound up killing innocents in wrecks, the beatings that you can recall from videos (not nearly always the full story, but the breadth of the beatings goes overboard), pumping suspects with 100 bullets. This is yet another example... quite similar to what happened in Ruby Ridge with the ATF. And the officers who conducted this raid were 100% unapologetic. Shot a dog in the back as it was running away! (If it were my dog, it would take everything I had not to respond in like kind). Sorry, but the Constitution doesn't grant this kind of power that has only gotten more brazen b/c it goes largely w/o consequences other than big municipal payouts b/c it's attributed to the chain of command or something similar to the 'fog of war.' True, they have a tough job with a lot of stress. Most truly care deeply about the community they serve. And don't expect it to get any easier for police as times get more and more desperate. But it's the aggregate of sh-- like this that doesn't help their cause. My brother has seriously thought about quitting --- the daycare bill for two children is $640/week while he makes $700/week. After taxes, car, insurance, gas, etc. it actually costs money to go to work. Only way you can get slightly ahead is massive amounts of overtime, and you kill your marriage/family life that way. Very incitefull. I know it's not all of them. I know a lot of people in, or who have been in, law enforcement. But there is that code of silence thing. And I understand conditions can harden some who may have started out very idealistically. One of the more impressive signs I once saw was in front of the Greece NY Police department. It said "Serve, Protect, and LEAD." Wow, leadership! Nice to think that the police might actually want to believe they are on the same side as most citizens. I later read that Greece was considered one of the top five police departments in the whole country. Excellent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisheralum Posted August 9, 2008 Author Share Posted August 9, 2008 Maybe the dogs shouldn't hang around with drug dealers. Did you read the article Einstein? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ieatcrayonz Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 Did you read the article Einstein? Yup. Like some dude is going to smoke 32 pounds of pot and not sell any. And the crap about shooting the dog in the back has to be a lie. When a person runs away they can be shot in the back. A dog's back is parallel to the ground when he runs so it is almost impossible to shoot him in the back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisheralum Posted August 10, 2008 Author Share Posted August 10, 2008 Yup. Like some dude is going to smoke 32 pounds of pot and not sell any. And the crap about shooting the dog in the back has to be a lie. When a person runs away they can be shot in the back. A dog's back is parallel to the ground when he runs so it is almost impossible to shoot him in the back. Do they still put lead in crayons? You didn't read it, or you didn't comprehend it. The mayor guy is not in jail, or charged with anything. But he is all over the national news. And the FBI is now investigating to see if their civil rights were violated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ieatcrayonz Posted August 10, 2008 Share Posted August 10, 2008 Do they still put lead in crayons? You didn't read it, or you didn't comprehend it. The mayor guy is not in jail YET, or charged with anything. But he is all over the national news. And the FBI is now investigating to see if their civil rights were violated, beacuse they cried to the press right after the 32 pounds of pot "accidentally" got delivered to their house. I fixed it for you. Also, I love how you cleverly omitted the blatant lie about shooting the dog in the back while it was running away despite it being against the laws of physics. I agree that sometimes law enforcement gets out of control but so does the drug dealer loving press. You have to wait until the end to see who is right sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisheralum Posted August 10, 2008 Author Share Posted August 10, 2008 I fixed it for you. Also, I love how you cleverly omitted the blatant lie about shooting the dog in the back while it was running away despite it being against the laws of physics. I agree that sometimes law enforcement gets out of control but so does the drug dealer loving press. You have to wait until the end to see who is right sometimes. Wow, 2115 posts on TBD. That's a lot of trolling. Freedom of speech is a good thing, no matter how inane and foolish. (sound of someone hitting permanent ignore button). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ieatcrayonz Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 Wow, 2115 posts on TBD. That's a lot of trolling. Freedom of speech is a good thing, no matter how inane and foolish. (sound of someone hitting permanent ignore button). Just because you hate cops doesn't mean you have to be in a snit. Sometimes they are right and sometimes they are wrong. One gave me a hard time the other day because the registration on my Bently had expired. Dude. I have a Bently. I don't have time to renew because I have more important stuff to deal with. On the other hand, I haven't found too many people holding 32 pounds of pot to be reliable in their stories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blzrul Posted August 12, 2008 Share Posted August 12, 2008 Speaking of cops - did you see the Iron Pig who shot the Hell's Angel in Sturgis last week? Hoo boy. The circumstances are unclear but it really doesn't matter because once you hurt a Hell's Angel, it's war. Yikes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisheralum Posted August 12, 2008 Author Share Posted August 12, 2008 Speaking of cops - did you see the Iron Pig who shot the Hell's Angel in Sturgis last week? Hoo boy. The circumstances are unclear but it really doesn't matter because once you hurt a Hell's Angel, it's war. Yikes. The more I think about it, the Prince George raid/ fiasco is a good thing. Because it happened to a public official, it should bring light to something that, if it happens to you or me or any other average Joe, it gets covered up. Because there are crayon eating people in this country that don't know people in this country are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty, and they don't care about anything that transends themselves. The Sturgis shooting? Looks like a big coverup already. But it's happenning more and more. Link Increasing arrogance from the police, and little accountability. I've actually got a couple of friendly aquaintences in a club called the Iron Pigs in Texas. They are very cool guys. One is actually not a cop, but an EMT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ieatcrayonz Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 The more I think about it, the Prince George raid/ fiasco is a good thing. Because it happened to a public official, it should bring light to something that, if it happens to you or me or any other average Joe, it gets covered up. Because there are crayon eating people in this country that don't know people in this country are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty, and they don't care about anything that transends themselves. Dude, if you're going to call me out, at least get your facts straight. I have been the voice of reason saying let all of the facts come out. You are the one saying all cops are criminals and all criminals like this guy are innocent. The facts are not all out but don't you find it odd that the mayor has already been caught in a blatant lie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisheralum Posted August 13, 2008 Author Share Posted August 13, 2008 Dude, if you're going to call me out, at least get your facts straight. I have been the voice of reason saying let all of the facts come out. You are the one saying all cops are criminals and all criminals like this guy are innocent. The facts are not all out but don't you find it odd that the mayor has already been caught in a blatant lie? The facts were out before the first post on this thread. The mayor, his wife and mother-in-law were cleared of any wrong doing over a week ago. Your statements show no regard for anything factual, including the BS that I made some blanket statement about all cops. I do not like anyone attrributing false words to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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