Fan in San Diego Posted March 20, 2007 Share Posted March 20, 2007 Telephone poles are necessary. Not really, power cables and telephone lines have been underground for a long time in California. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted March 20, 2007 Share Posted March 20, 2007 What a bunch of kill joy's. I suppose you think birthday cake is a waste of flour as well ! that depends on how old you're turning mind you, flour, unlike fueling a jet, doesn't cost over a $1000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HBSS151 Posted March 20, 2007 Share Posted March 20, 2007 that depends on how old you're turning mind you, flour, unlike fueling a jet, doesn't cost over a $1000. Try calling for an angel food cake when you really, really need an airstrike ! Pilots ahve to fly to maintain their skill - so, they could fly out over the middle of the Nevada desert where no one can see them - or in front of a really big crowd of appreciative taxpayers. They are going to fly anyway ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5 Wide Posted March 20, 2007 Share Posted March 20, 2007 so the American people need to be deafened/wowed by priceless, highly volatile air craft? I understand the need for combat, but we're talking about flying around in circles so a bunch of half-drunk people in lawn chairs can say, "ooooooo." I think the good folks at Lockheed Martin would take offense to your highly volatile aircraft sentiment. Think of it this way: Major corporations spend millions of dollars a year on public relations and advertising. If the military wants to connect with the public and attract next generations pilots, it needs to spread good will to the public it serves. These displays do just that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted March 20, 2007 Share Posted March 20, 2007 I like that. Am I the only person who thinks the Blue Angels and air-shows in general are a collosal waste of gas and money? Does the world really need more noise pollution? Not that airplanes aren't really cool, and fast, and ultima-killing machines and all... Smile and say "cheese" for the pipper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted March 20, 2007 Share Posted March 20, 2007 Try calling for an angel food cake when you really, really need an airstrike ! Pilots ahve to fly to maintain their skill - so, they could fly out over the middle of the Nevada desert where no one can see them - or in front of a really big crowd of appreciative taxpayers. They are going to fly anyway ! haha best point so far! and for the record I don't really hate on air shows as much as this debate might suggest. I just found myself in defense mode... but seriously, they're dangerous and loud! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted March 20, 2007 Share Posted March 20, 2007 that depends on how old you're turning mind you, flour, unlike fueling a jet, doesn't cost over a $1000. mind you , a cake is a waste of food when so many are hungry in this world . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bud8andbills Posted March 20, 2007 Share Posted March 20, 2007 I like that. Am I the only person who thinks the Blue Angels and air-shows in general are a collosal waste of gas and money? Does the world really need more noise pollution? Not that airplanes aren't really cool, and fast, and ultima-killing machines and all... Well of course it always has to start. Why do you suppose we are Bills fans and like to watch the Bills play? It is because they are professionals and we enjoy watching some of the things they can do, that we can't. You wanna be impressed? Download Limewire, then download Van Halen's "Dreams" video. You DO NOT see this stuff everyday. Like them or not, they are talented professionals! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted March 20, 2007 Share Posted March 20, 2007 I don't think the military even pretends these shows are NECESSARY for testing, t=etc. That's a totally bogus argument, IMO. They are for show...patriotism...PROPAGANDA. pure and simple. That's the deal: "For us, it's a recruiting opportunity. It's a requirement," said Navy Lt. Rob Webster, who books the prestigious Blue Angels precision flying team for about 36 aerobatic displays each year.The best argument for doing these shows, IMO, is to give the public a view of where their tax dollars go: "Air shows represent a unique opportunity for the American military to demonstrate the capability of the planes and the pilots in front of the general public," said John Cudahy, president of the International Council of Air Shows, a trade group in Leesburg, Va. They play "a critically important part in getting and keeping American citizen support for all that the military does." However, I have a feeling the public may not be so supportive if they new exactly how much these events cost. That's just my guess though. As for the risk...Of course there is risk. Some places more than others. When a Blue Angel went down in rural Niagara County, I don't think it did much damage. On the other hand, if one had hit a high rise in downtown SF...well, we know how that turns out, right? Cudahy conceded that the performances "come with a certain amount of risk, but not more so than a typical training exercise that the military has. "If an F-14 crashed into the North Atlantic on a training exercise, nobody would be paying much attention," Cudahy said. If the crash occurs at an air show, "where everybody has video cameras, it's burned into the conscience of anybody who watches the local news." What is forgotten, Cudahy said, is that on average, there are "a tad over four" air show accidents a year involving civilian and military equipment. "Flying has some inherent risks. Air show flying has additional inherent risks," he said. They have moved the show from downtown SF, but still buzz the Golden Gate Bridge. No biggie if they hit it I suppose. So, put a sock in the, necessary for training, bulls#it. It just isn't so. So, should we spend the $ and risk lives for this show? You make the call: But ending military participation in such shows would be "a horribly shortsighted mistake" because of the goodwill and attendance the appearances generate. "The Blue Angels and the [Air Force] Thunderbirds are the Rolling Stones of air shows," Cudahy said. I think the Rolling Stones concert is a waste of $...and I'd vote to stop them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oneonta Buffalo Fan Posted March 20, 2007 Share Posted March 20, 2007 Any of you been to one of these? Its been many many years since I have.http://www.navy.mil/search/display.asp?story_id=26906 Same here. Hopefully I'll be able to go again someday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bud8andbills Posted March 20, 2007 Share Posted March 20, 2007 Hey guys, NO ONE here has no dog in the money needed for one of these shows. If you are a Bills fan, or fan of any professional team, you pay for tickets, shirts, jerseys, ball caps, food, memorabilia, etc... so a guy can make a cool 7 mil a year. Yeah, good point to argue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted March 20, 2007 Share Posted March 20, 2007 Hey guys, NO ONE here has no dog in the money needed for one of these shows. If you are a Bills fan, or fan of any professional team, you pay for tickets, shirts, jerseys, ball caps, food, memorabilia, etc... so a guy can make a cool 7 mil a year. Yeah, good point to argue. English motha phocker, do you speak it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bud8andbills Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 English motha phocker, do you speak it? Who said what to who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in San Diego Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 Who said what to who? Say what again mo fo ! I Dareyou ! I've never heard of no country named 'What'. What language do they speak in 'What' ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 English motha phocker, do you speak it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ1 Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 I don't think the military even pretends these shows are NECESSARY for testing, t=etc. That's a totally bogus argument, IMO. They are for show...patriotism...PROPAGANDA. pure and simple. That's the deal: The best argument for doing these shows, IMO, is to give the public a view of where their tax dollars go: However, I have a feeling the public may not be so supportive if they new exactly how much these events cost. That's just my guess though. As for the risk...Of course there is risk. Some places more than others. When a Blue Angel went down in rural Niagara County, I don't think it did much damage. On the other hand, if one had hit a high rise in downtown SF...well, we know how that turns out, right? They have moved the show from downtown SF, but still buzz the Golden Gate Bridge. No biggie if they hit it I suppose. So, put a sock in the, necessary for training, bulls#it. It just isn't so. So, should we spend the $ and risk lives for this show? You make the call: I think the Rolling Stones concert is a waste of $...and I'd vote to stop them. It's an airshow. You either get it or you don't. You obviously don't. Next, fly-in breakfasts. Another waste of aviation fuel, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bud8andbills Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 Obviously no Dice fans here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 Obviously no Dice fans here. Are we back to 3.5 AGAIN. Always with the damn dice. (I freakin KILL me) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted March 21, 2007 Author Share Posted March 21, 2007 they're dangerous and loud! Oh no. Dangerous and loud. Too funny You're an ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bud8andbills Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 Oh no. Dangerous and loud. Too funny You're an ass. Eaaaawwwww Eaaaawwwww Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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