John from Riverside Posted December 26, 2006 Share Posted December 26, 2006 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozymandius Posted December 26, 2006 Share Posted December 26, 2006 No, if "a Ngata" means a highly projected classic nose tackle. If Alan Branch declares, he's espected to be the first DT taken but he's more of a penetrator in a big body than a classic nose guard type. Tampa-2 teams aren't usually interested in Ngatas, anyway. The Bills so far have show that they prefer small at that position. I don't necessarily agree with that philosophy but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for the Bills to draft a big guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 26, 2006 Author Share Posted December 26, 2006 I am really hoping that the bills adapt their philosphy in this area.... We have be be stout against the run next year......just have to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acantha Posted December 26, 2006 Share Posted December 26, 2006 I am really hoping that the bills adapt their philosphy in this area.... We have be be stout against the run next year......just have to. 878191[/snapback] I actually just posted in another thread that the write ups on Quinn Pitcock seem like something we would be looking for. He's still a smaller DT at 295, but he has played better against the run than the pass. Apparently he had shoulder surgery last year, so it may be an issue...though it didn't slow him much this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozymandius Posted December 26, 2006 Share Posted December 26, 2006 I actually just posted in another thread that the write ups on Quinn Pitcock seem like something we would be looking for. He's still a smaller DT at 295, but he has played better against the run than the pass. Apparently he had shoulder surgery last year, so it may be an issue...though it didn't slow him much this season. 878194[/snapback] He IS white and high-motor :-) I think his agility numbers will determine his draft position. If he's athletic enough, I could see the Bills drafting him because the tenacity and leadership are there with him, and he's had a monster senior season. If the agility isn't there, the Bills will probably pass because I think they're looking for someone who can get after the passer from the interior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acantha Posted December 26, 2006 Share Posted December 26, 2006 He IS white and high-motor :-) I think his agility numbers will determine his draft position. If he's athletic enough, I could see the Bills drafting him because the tenacity and leadership are there with him, and he's had a monster senior season. If the agility isn't there, the Bills will probably pass because I think they're looking for someone who can get after the passer from the interior. 878197[/snapback] Well, from what I've been reading the agility isn't really there. I guess I'm just hoping that after this season Jauron/Levy realize that a guy who can stop the run is still important in this league. We have 3 DT's on the roster who are supposedly good at getting after the QB, why not have at least one who can play in the run game? I worry that maybe you are right though. Here are two write ups on Pitcock for those that don't know him: Football's future NFL Draft Countdown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozymandius Posted December 26, 2006 Share Posted December 26, 2006 For what it's worth, Pittcock has had a GREAT season sacking the passer. I think he has 9 sacks so far. But I think scouts will remain skeptical about his agility until they see him up close in the Senior Bowl and workouts. And the reason I think the Bills are still looking for an interior pass rusher is because we didn't get much of it this season, at least not to the standards of a Tampa-2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitner20 Posted December 26, 2006 Share Posted December 26, 2006 NFL Draft Countdown 878198[/snapback] I like that site the best.... atleast i did. Why do they keep on leaving Jamarcus Russell as the guy for the Bills? It's like 3 stright updated mock drafts they have him going to Buffalo. It's obvious we are not going to pick a QB in the draft. What are they thinking?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acantha Posted December 26, 2006 Share Posted December 26, 2006 I like that site the best.... atleast i did. Why do they keep on leaving Jamarcus Russell as the guy for the Bills? It's like 3 stright updated mock drafts they have him going to Buffalo. It's obvious we are not going to pick a QB in the draft. What are they thinking?? 878201[/snapback] The guy that runs that site has been down on Losman since he was drafted. I think the last update came out before the announcement that Losman would be the starter next year, so maybe next time it will be changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoondckCL Posted December 26, 2006 Share Posted December 26, 2006 I actually just posted in another thread that the write ups on Quinn Pitcock seem like something we would be looking for. He's still a smaller DT at 295, but he has played better against the run than the pass. Apparently he had shoulder surgery last year, so it may be an issue...though it didn't slow him much this season. 878194[/snapback] I think the super bowl should prove that there is no room for Jeff Wright on this football team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BravinSeattle Posted December 26, 2006 Share Posted December 26, 2006 878178[/snapback] A lot will change after pro days and combine performances but this years class might be a bit more talented, although not as deep, as last year's crop of DT. Branch probably goes first and then Okam if he declares. Probably the top two right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BravinSeattle Posted December 26, 2006 Share Posted December 26, 2006 For what it's worth, Pittcock has had a GREAT season sacking the passer. I think he has 9 sacks so far. But I think scouts will remain skeptical about his agility until they see him up close in the Senior Bowl and workouts.And the reason I think the Bills are still looking for an interior pass rusher is because we didn't get much of it this season, at least not to the standards of a Tampa-2. 878200[/snapback] I like Pittcock as well but I like McCargo a lot more and we need someone who can stop the run and not just try to to get to the QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozymandius Posted December 26, 2006 Share Posted December 26, 2006 I like Pittcock as well but I like McCargo a lot more and we need someone who can stop the run and not just try to to get to the QB. 878211[/snapback] I'm not really advocating Pittcock. Just pointing out that he has had success rushing the passer this season. Also, Frank Okam should stay in school. He's been just so-so this season instead of dominant. The two best tackles this season have been Dorsey and Branch, neither of which are traditional stay-at-home runstuffers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozymandius Posted December 26, 2006 Share Posted December 26, 2006 My preferred first round pick is probably OG Justin Blalock and I don't think that will change between now and April. I'd love to have a dominant runblocker at RG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
generaLee83 Posted December 26, 2006 Share Posted December 26, 2006 No, if "a Ngata" means a highly projected classic nose tackle. If Alan Branch declares, he's espected to be the first DT taken but he's more of a penetrator in a big body than a classic nose guard type. Tampa-2 teams aren't usually interested in Ngatas, anyway. The Bills so far have show that they prefer small at that position. I don't necessarily agree with that philosophy but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for the Bills to draft a big guy. 878182[/snapback] I also agree, they might go after a DT in FA, I certainly don't see them drafting a DT this year, they already drafted 2 in '06. I don't think McCargo is a solid run stopper though either. Modify the tampa 2 to include 1 bohemoth of a DT, a player can be huge but still penetrating and also high motor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tennesseeboy Posted December 26, 2006 Share Posted December 26, 2006 I think we'll take the best offensive gaurd or run-stopping defensive tackle available in the draft, and its pretty much even money. The second pick should be to pick up what we don't get in the first. Linebacker will probably be the way to go after that. Our major personnel move should be to re-sign clements and get us one or two modest free agent pickups. We don't have awfully far to go to be a very good playoff team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marauderswr80 Posted December 26, 2006 Share Posted December 26, 2006 Plain and simple. This Bills need to get big in the middle and make teams runs to where their speed is and thats to the outsides.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frogger Posted December 26, 2006 Share Posted December 26, 2006 with our current cap, and assuming we spend some money, I don't think we'll draft OL first, I think we can re-sign Gandy and sign a top free agent like Steinbach, move gandy to RG and Steinbach at his natural LG. at around the 15th to 20th expect Okam and Branch to be long gone, , tank Tyler who played with McCargo in college, had a great senior year, his weight is somewhere between 305-330, and is squatty. the other is Amobi Okoye, I really like him for a lot of reasons, first though he's a senior he's only 20...he played as a freshman at the age of 16......think about that what were you doing at 16? he was playing against interior linemen sometimes 8 years older than him. and taking college level classes (he is really smart, at 12 he was a freshman in high school). at 6'1" (ish) and about 315 he would be the ideal NT for this team, but I would bring in a free agent, one with lots of years and has a good track record i.e. Hollis Thomas who I believe is a free agent again. That leave two odd men out, unless we keep 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozymandius Posted December 26, 2006 Share Posted December 26, 2006 If Okam comes out, he'll be a second-rounder at best, imo. And I don't think he will because of that. I like Okoye, too. It's possible the Bills could pick him. He's shaved about 15-20 pounds off his frame and has become more of a knifer this season than a stacker. I swear, dude was like 295 lbs last I saw him. I'd prefer no Hollis Thomas. He'd be an okay stopgap but he's so old. I want to continue the trend of young players to build with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YOOOOOO Posted December 26, 2006 Share Posted December 26, 2006 I also agree, they might go after a DT in FA, I certainly don't see them drafting a DT this year, they already drafted 2 in '06. I don't think McCargo is a solid run stopper though either. Modify the tampa 2 to include 1 bohemoth of a DT, a player can be huge but still penetrating and also high motor. 878225[/snapback] Robaire Smith will be a Bill next season....dude is a big get to the passer type DT, that is made for the Tampa 2... Having said that I still want one exclusive BIG two gap run stuffer in our rotation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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