Thailog80 Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 Booing Francona for taking Martinez out in the eighth inning? Is the outrage because he did or because he let him start the eighth? I see Francona explaining it in the post game and the Boston media is trying to badger him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 Booing Francona for taking Martinez out in the eighth inning? Is the outrage because he did or because he let him start the eighth? I see Francona explaining it in the post game and the Boston media is trying to badger him. 45130[/snapback] Maybe Zima boy can explain.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thailog80 Posted September 25, 2004 Author Share Posted September 25, 2004 Maybe Zima boy can explain.......... 45132[/snapback] Nah.....he's too busy putting his broom back in the closet..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jan Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 Because he had him come out in the 8th....sorta Grady-esque ... Booing Francona for taking Martinez out in the eighth inning? Is the outrage because he did or because he let him start the eighth? I see Francona explaining it in the post game and the Boston media is trying to badger him. 45130[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Bone Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 Should have taken him out after the 7th, Red Sox Fans get pissed off seeing the same dumb play over and over again. sort of like seeing the music city miracle happen again in a game.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 Should have taken him out after the 7th, Red Sox Fans get pissed off seeing the same dumb play over and over again. sort of like seeing the music city miracle happen again in a game.... 45155[/snapback] oooo low blow..I live in nashville and have to put up with that crap...grrrrr .. oh...btw......YANKEES WIN!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBob Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 Tip o the cap to the Yanks from a Sox fan. They hit some really tough pitches tonight. That pitch that Matsui hit of the wall a damn quality pitch, as well as the dinger that he hit off of Martinez. Sometimes you just have to tip your cap to the other team. B) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olivier in france Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 Tip o the cap to the Yanks from a Sox fan. They hit some really tough pitches tonight. That pitch that Matsui hit of the wall a damn quality pitch, as well as the dinger that he hit off of Martinez. Sometimes you just have to tip your cap to the other team. B) 45183[/snapback] are you nuts BuffaloBob?!! what's next ? rooting for the Dolphins?!! I can tip my cap to a lot of teams i don't like once in a while but the Yankees?!!! Man i have pride!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 Yea tip cap for hiiting those ptches but we got robbed on 2 calls from that damn 3rd base ump Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 Tip o the cap to the Yanks from a Sox fan. They hit some really tough pitches tonight. That pitch that Matsui hit of the wall a damn quality pitch, as well as the dinger that he hit off of Martinez. Sometimes you just have to tip your cap to the other team. B) 45183[/snapback] NEW YORK YANKEES FAN CONVERSION APPLICATION FORM Thank you for your interest in becoming a member of the New York Yankees Fan Club. Due to an unprecedented volume of requests, we are currently processing only fan conversion validation for Boston Red Sox fans. Conversion requests for other teams will be accepted once all former Red Sox fan requests have been processed. We expect that this process with take a number of weeks based upon the current number of requests that have been already received. Please take a few minutes and complete the conversion form below to help us to get to know you better and prescribe any required counseling to recover from your previous fan experience. 1. Please indicate the last time you watched the Red Sox win the World Series: A. 1918 (Please leave your form in the main office of the nursing home you are currently residing in for mailing.) B. I have never witnessed this event. 2. Please indicate your favorite moments in Rex Sox history. (Circle all that apply): Babe Ruth is sold to the Yankees. Pesky holds the ball as the Yankees score the winning run in 1948. Bob Gibson shuts down the Sox in the 1967 Series. Sox trade Sparky Lyle to the Yankees for Danny Cater. Big Red Machine beats the Sox in game 7 of the 1975 World Series. Sox lose 14 1/2 game lead to the Yankees in 1978. The "Boston Massacre" in 1978 (4 game sweep by the Yanks at Fenway Park in September). Bucky Dent's homer in the 1978 playoff game. Bob Stanley throws a wild pitch in the 6th game of the 1986 Series. Grounder goes through the legs of Buckner in the 6th game of the 1986 Series. Future Hall-of-Famer, Wade Boggs rides policeman's horse after the Yanks win the 1996 Series. Future Hall-of-Famer, Roger Clemens is traded to the Yankees. Yankees wipe out the Sox in 5 games in the 1999 ALCS. Roger Clemens wins game 4 for the Yankees to clinch the 1999 Series. Pedro Martinez chokes in Game 7 of the 2003 ALCS. Aaron Boone's homer in the 2003 ALCS. 3. Select the reasons you believe the Red Sox have NOT won a World Series since 1918: (Circle all that you believe may apply) The Curse of the Bambino Lack of Pitching. The Curse of the Bambino Lack of Hitting. The Curse of the Bambino Lack of Defense. The Curse of the Bambino Bad calls by the umpires. The Curse of the Bambino 4. Have you experienced any of the following symptoms after another inevitable Red Sox collapse? (Circle all that may apply) Headache Uncontrollable Anger Heartache Holes punched in doors/windows Nausea Smashed TV screens Depression Avoided Yankee fans for 3 or more days 5. October is your favorite month of the year ___________Yes ___________No 6. Are you tired of saying, "Wait until next year." ___________Yes ___________No 7. Are you ready to admit that: a. Joe Dimaggio was better than Ted Williams Yes No b. Thurman Munson was better than Carlton Fisk Yes No c. Derek Jeter is better than Nomar Garciapara Yes No d. Don Zimmer is a managerial genius Yes No e. The Red Sox will be no better this century than last Yes No f. The "Green Monster" is an ugly and stupid wall Yes No Once you have completed this form, please forward it to Yankee Stadium, burn all of your remaining Red Sox clothing, memorabilia, and associated reminders. After reviewing your request, the New York Yankee Fan Club will contact you with notification of your acceptance or rejection. If accepted you will receive the following: Ø A recommended recuperation program, including a recording of Frank Sinatra singing "New York, New York". Ø An opportunity to obtain tickets to the 2004 World Series at Yankee Stadium. Ø An "I've Come to my Senses" New York Yankee Commemorative tee shirt. Ø Chuck Knoblauch's new video, " Illusions: How to Almost Catch Balls and Tag Runners". Ø Posters of Wade Boggs and Roger Clemens in Yankee uniforms, complete with their Championship rings. Ø A dartboard sporting a picture of "Yaz". Ø A copy of our ever-popular handbook, "Harassing Red Sox Fans For Fun and Profit". Ø A coupon for a future poster of Pedro Martinez in a Yankee uniform. Ø A one-year subscription to a weekly support group for ex-Red Sox fans in your area. If Rejected, you will receive: Ø Our pity and condolences, plus a 25 second video capturing the past 100 years of Red Sox highlights in head-to-head competition against the Yankees, narrated by George "Boomer" Scott. Thank you for your interest in the New York Yankees Baseball Organization Your interest in becoming a fan of the "Greatest Team Franchise" in professional sport is noted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 7. Are you ready to admit that: a. Joe Dimaggio was better than Ted Williams Yes No DREAM ON!! b. Thurman Munson was better than Carlton Fisk Yes No BORDERLINE!! c. Derek Jeter is better than Nomar Garciapara Yes No STARTING TO AGREE d. Don Zimmer is a managerial genius Yes No TORRE MAYBE NOT FATASS e. The Red Sox will be no better this century than last Yes No RIGHT WE SHALL SEE!! f. The "Green Monster" is an ugly and stupid wall Yes No PLEASE!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaz Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 Terry Francona is the manager of that team in title only. At best he's a joke in that clubhouse. In reference to letting Pedro begin the 8th having already thrown 103 pitches, and then giving up the homerun to Matsui, Francona said: "If I run out there after two pitches, you understand what I'm saying, it would make it look like I wasn't making a very good decision before the inning." WTF??? So, that pretty much is the equivalent to saying, "well, I already F'ed up the game...might as well let it go just to prove my own dimented, selfish point." Sheesh, nothing like standing behind a decision that everyone and their blind, deaf dog knows is a mistake. And why did Terry leave Pedro in there to start the 8th? "In my opinion, he still had good stuff," the manager said. Yep, a 90 mph fastball is top-shelf stuff for Pedro, no doubt, Skip. 103-frickin' picthes, Terry!! Wake up!! It's pretty obvious that this year's reason for the Red Sox failing in October will be the man who plays "Manager" in the dugout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATBNG Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 Booing Francona for taking Martinez out in the eighth inning? Is the outrage because he did or because he let him start the eighth? I see Francona explaining it in the post game and the Boston media is trying to badger him. 45130[/snapback] I think that clearly the booing was for Pedro being out there to start the 8th. Last night Francona pitched Kim late in the game in order to save his bullpen for this series. It wasn't particularly consistent of him then to throw Pedro out there with around 100 pitches under his belt. It will be too bad if that is indeed Pedro's last night at Fenway (which is unlikely but possible). At his physical peak in '98 and '99, he was the best pitcher I'd ever seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thailog80 Posted September 25, 2004 Author Share Posted September 25, 2004 I think that clearly the booing was for Pedro being out there to start the 8th. Last night Francona pitched Kim late in the game in order to save his bullpen for this series. It wasn't particularly consistent of him then to throw Pedro out there with around 100 pitches under his belt. It will be too bad if that is indeed Pedro's last night at Fenway (which is unlikely but possible). At his physical peak in '98 and '99, he was the best pitcher I'd ever seen. 45292[/snapback] So what it comes down to is you're no better with Francona over Little? Pedro is as dominant a pitcher in his prime as Ive ever seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATBNG Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 So what it comes down to is you're no better with Francona over Little? Pedro is as dominant a pitcher in his prime as Ive ever seen. 45295[/snapback] I think that Red Sox fans (and many baseball fans) are way too critical of the manager. The manager is always going to be "resulted" when a decision goes poorly, even if it was the better decision before the fact. People always say that Timlin and Williamson "would have" been the right decision, but they might have given up the three runs as well. Once Timlin got in game 7, it was the only time the entire playoffs where his command was off, and that guy's a rock. Williamson on the other hand is a bit kooky and when his command goes, it goes badly. As far as Francona goes, he's been OK - an adequate guy calling the shots. Last night was pretty bad - we went around on Pedro after Damon hit the HR in the 7th and all thought he should be out of there. The important thing for this team is to get the clinching win and set up their pitching. I don't get the obsession with the division title - it's not worth it if they wear out their pitching staff before October. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBob Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 NEW YORK YANKEES FAN CONVERSION APPLICATION FORM Thank you for your interest in becoming a member of the New York Yankees Fan Club. Due to an unprecedented volume of requests, we are currently processing only fan conversion validation for Boston Red Sox fans. Conversion requests for other teams will be accepted once all former Red Sox fan requests have been processed. We expect that this process with take a number of weeks based upon the current number of requests that have been already received. Please take a few minutes and complete the conversion form below to help us to get to know you better and prescribe any required counseling to recover from your previous fan experience. 1. Please indicate the last time you watched the Red Sox win the World Series: A. 1918 (Please leave your form in the main office of the nursing home you are currently residing in for mailing.) B. I have never witnessed this event. 2. Please indicate your favorite moments in Rex Sox history. (Circle all that apply): Babe Ruth is sold to the Yankees. Pesky holds the ball as the Yankees score the winning run in 1948. Bob Gibson shuts down the Sox in the 1967 Series. Sox trade Sparky Lyle to the Yankees for Danny Cater. Big Red Machine beats the Sox in game 7 of the 1975 World Series. Sox lose 14 1/2 game lead to the Yankees in 1978. The "Boston Massacre" in 1978 (4 game sweep by the Yanks at Fenway Park in September). Bucky Dent's homer in the 1978 playoff game. Bob Stanley throws a wild pitch in the 6th game of the 1986 Series. Grounder goes through the legs of Buckner in the 6th game of the 1986 Series. Future Hall-of-Famer, Wade Boggs rides policeman's horse after the Yanks win the 1996 Series. Future Hall-of-Famer, Roger Clemens is traded to the Yankees. Yankees wipe out the Sox in 5 games in the 1999 ALCS. Roger Clemens wins game 4 for the Yankees to clinch the 1999 Series. Pedro Martinez chokes in Game 7 of the 2003 ALCS. Aaron Boone's homer in the 2003 ALCS. 3. Select the reasons you believe the Red Sox have NOT won a World Series since 1918: (Circle all that you believe may apply) The Curse of the Bambino Lack of Pitching. The Curse of the Bambino Lack of Hitting. The Curse of the Bambino Lack of Defense. The Curse of the Bambino Bad calls by the umpires. The Curse of the Bambino 4. Have you experienced any of the following symptoms after another inevitable Red Sox collapse? (Circle all that may apply) Headache Uncontrollable Anger Heartache Holes punched in doors/windows Nausea Smashed TV screens Depression Avoided Yankee fans for 3 or more days 5. October is your favorite month of the year ___________Yes ___________No 6. Are you tired of saying, "Wait until next year." ___________Yes ___________No 7. Are you ready to admit that: a. Joe Dimaggio was better than Ted Williams Yes No b. Thurman Munson was better than Carlton Fisk Yes No c. Derek Jeter is better than Nomar Garciapara Yes No d. Don Zimmer is a managerial genius Yes No e. The Red Sox will be no better this century than last Yes No f. The "Green Monster" is an ugly and stupid wall Yes No Once you have completed this form, please forward it to Yankee Stadium, burn all of your remaining Red Sox clothing, memorabilia, and associated reminders. After reviewing your request, the New York Yankee Fan Club will contact you with notification of your acceptance or rejection. If accepted you will receive the following: Ø A recommended recuperation program, including a recording of Frank Sinatra singing "New York, New York". Ø An opportunity to obtain tickets to the 2004 World Series at Yankee Stadium. Ø An "I've Come to my Senses" New York Yankee Commemorative tee shirt. Ø Chuck Knoblauch's new video, " Illusions: How to Almost Catch Balls and Tag Runners". Ø Posters of Wade Boggs and Roger Clemens in Yankee uniforms, complete with their Championship rings. Ø A dartboard sporting a picture of "Yaz". Ø A copy of our ever-popular handbook, "Harassing Red Sox Fans For Fun and Profit". Ø A coupon for a future poster of Pedro Martinez in a Yankee uniform. Ø A one-year subscription to a weekly support group for ex-Red Sox fans in your area. If Rejected, you will receive: Ø Our pity and condolences, plus a 25 second video capturing the past 100 years of Red Sox highlights in head-to-head competition against the Yankees, narrated by George "Boomer" Scott. Thank you for your interest in the New York Yankees Baseball Organization Your interest in becoming a fan of the "Greatest Team Franchise" in professional sport is noted. 45250[/snapback] Rico, You obviously have WAY too much time on your hands! LOL! I will never be a Spankme fan as long as I live, and this is just one of the many reasons why. Here I gave my favorite team's hated rival their props and respect notwithstanding my utter contempt for all things Yankmee, and this is what I get in return. Why am I not surprised? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 Right Buffalobob! Thats what im talking about if they rant on about being in 1st for now fine but this crap is so stupid and imature Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBob Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 are you nuts BuffaloBob?!! what's next ? rooting for the Dolphins?!! I can tip my cap to a lot of teams i don't like once in a while but the Yankees?!!! Man i have pride!!! 45223[/snapback] Mr. Olivier, If you equate giving a team, even a hated rival, their props when they just plain played well, then I'm afraid I can't really explain myself to you in a way that you can understand. I despise all things Yankee, that doesn't mean that I can't recognize it when they played better than my beloved Sox. The reality is, Pedro made some really good pitches in the 8th, and Matsui and Sierra just went down (in the case of Matsui) and out in the case of Sierra and got those pitches out of utter will. As individual performances go, I cannot ignore that just because they play for a team I hate. Same with that pitch Matsui hit off of Timlin. Keyrist the thing nearly skimmed the surface of the plate, and he barely made a half swing and the thing carried to the base of the wall. Sorry dude, but that is just some damn good hitting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 Here I gave my favorite team's hated rival their props and respect notwithstanding my utter contempt for all things Yankmee, and this is what I get in return. Why am I not surprised? 45330[/snapback] Consider it a lesson learned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBob Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 Consider it a lesson learned. 45341[/snapback] Touche! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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