Orton's Arm Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 Bruce's game was NOT turned around by Marv. Believe it or not it was Hank Bullough who put "the sails in his wind". Seriously it was HB who rode him about his conditioning, and Bruce had his break out year in 1986 with 15 sacks under Hank, or at least as long as HB lasted that season 558646[/snapback] I've read through literally thousands of posts on these boards, and this is the first one crediting Hank Bullough with anything! This gets my post of the week award. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moose Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 I believe Bruce Smith's father had a stroke or heart attack when Bruce was in his early years with the Bills and that, too, helped him realize he had to get in better shape. On the topic of MW... how exactly does one injure their chest??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmanbfan Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 Finally someone who is looking back and remembering Marv and his teams for what they were. Don't get me wrong, they were dam good teams. Bit I think a lot of people are remembering the good and forgetting the bad. I'm starting to think Marv is actually Chuck Norris. I guess I'm getting old, because I lived thru Marv's ENTIRE Bills coaching career, and he didn't do even half of the things he's being given credit for. Marv was a hands-off delegator with regard to the offense and defense. His assistants ran their units with little interference from Marv. He hired some good ones and he hired even more bad ones. Check his coaching tree. None of Marv's coaches EVER became a HC (Wade and Marchibroda had already been HC's prior to working for Marv). His teams are remembered for resiliency, but compared to the top teams of today, they were downright lazy and won a lot of games where they didn't come to play and routinely played down to their level of competition. One of his tactics was to not practice a lot in pads during the season and go very easy on players in camp, which gave them fresh legs during the season, but when they met the big hitters from the NFC on Super Bowl Sunday, their lack of physicality and focus was painfully obvious. Fortunately, perception is reality in the NFL. Marv got into the HOF. To quote Marv, "if you get a reputation as an early riser, you can sleep till' noon". He has become that guy. If you get the people who work for you to buy into your program you are way ahead of the game. That has to be our hope with regard to Marv as GM. Gotta' hope they drink the Kool Aid this time. 558588[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark VI Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 On the topic of MW... how exactly does one injure their chest??? 558874[/snapback] having a full buffet table collapse onto it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thailog80 Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 having a full buffet table collapse onto it 558876[/snapback] Rolling an SUV does also. Maybe he re-aggrevated an old injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frez Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 Jim McNally can fix him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thailog80 Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 Jim McNally can fix him. 558878[/snapback] A plate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sound_n_Fury Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 I'm starting to think Marv is actually Chuck Norris. I guess I'm getting old, because I lived thru Marv's ENTIRE Bills coaching career, and he didn't do even half of the things he's being given credit for. Marv was a hands-off delegator with regard to the offense and defense. His assistants ran their units with little interference from Marv. He hired some good ones and he hired even more bad ones. Check his coaching tree. None of Marv's coaches EVER became a HC (Wade and Marchibroda had already been HC's prior to working for Marv). His teams are remembered for resiliency, but compared to the top teams of today, they were downright lazy and won a lot of games where they didn't come to play and routinely played down to their level of competition. One of his tactics was to not practice a lot in pads during the season and go very easy on players in camp, which gave them fresh legs during the season, but when they met the big hitters from the NFC on Super Bowl Sunday, their lack of physicality and focus was painfully obvious. Fortunately, perception is reality in the NFL. Marv got into the HOF. To quote Marv, "if you get a reputation as an early riser, you can sleep till' noon". He has become that guy. If you get the people who work for you to buy into your program you are way ahead of the game. That has to be our hope with regard to Marv as GM. Gotta' hope they drink the Kool Aid this time. 558588[/snapback] Sigh....this TSW thing is getting to be a drag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarkinBanks Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 Bruce had all the right tools but no motivation when Marv took over as head coach. He turned BS's game around... Can he do the same thing for Mike Williams? Food for thought? or wishfull thinking? 558268[/snapback] Don't be surprised if Mike Williams is retired next season. Seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted January 8, 2006 Share Posted January 8, 2006 Marv certainly had his own style, but is truly comical to me that anyone who witnessed that era could consider him an average to below average coach. Whatever the opposite of myopic is would apply here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obie_wan Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 The only problem with that, is Mike Williams (Buffalo Bills LT) came into the 2005 training camp in the best shape of his career. He had cut his body fat down noticably, and was "cut", by his previous standards. I think his problems are likely more mental than physical. Remember how Rob Johnson used to get hurt, whenever it seemed there was external pressure on him? I am thinking this could be MW's mode of dealing with things too...some people are just wired that way. When the going gets tough, or they are challanged to hard, they look for a way out. I will bet everyone here has worked with someone like that at some point. I really think that someone like Levy could be a very positive influence on Williams. Williams is a good kid, but he needs to be a more mentally tough good guy.... 558754[/snapback] the guy stll weighs close to 400 pounds. best shape of his life is not saying much and is far from what is needed to be dominant in the NFL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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