bill in Livonia Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 I for one do not want to see a new GM, a new Coach and a whole new syatem here in Buffalo. I don't have to like TD, I don't think Mike Malarky is a total boob. Sure we need some better players in a few places but we will still win some more games this year. We will improve as the season goes on and over the off season. Watching Holcomb play QB you can see why he never took over as number one on any of his previous teams. He is a solid back up, no more. JP Losman is still our QB of the Future and needs more playing time. Don't be too ready to throw him away or change the leadership. He needs to work in the same system for the same bosses. All that being said, we can beat the Pats this week. They are NOT supermen! Everybudy just lighten up. GO BILLS!! PULVERIZE THE PATSIES!!! GIVE BELLYCHUCK A BELLY ACHE!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuntheDamnBall Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 I for one do not want to see a new GM, a new Coach and a whole new syatem here in Buffalo. I don't have to like TD, I don't think Mike Malarky is a total boob. Sure we need some better players in a few places but we will still win some more games this year. We will improve as the season goes on and over the off season. Watching Holcomb play QB you can see why he never took over as number one on any of his previous teams. He is a solid back up, no more. JP Losman is still our QB of the Future and needs more playing time. Don't be too ready to throw him away or change the leadership. He needs to work in the same system for the same bosses. All that being said, we can beat the Pats this week. They are NOT supermen! Everybudy just lighten up. GO BILLS!! PULVERIZE THE PATSIES!!! GIVE BELLYCHUCK A BELLY ACHE!!! 487028[/snapback] Who is Terry D? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill in Livonia Posted October 26, 2005 Author Share Posted October 26, 2005 Who is Terry D? 487032[/snapback] OOps Tom D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 All that being said, we can beat the Pats this week. They are NOT supermen!487028[/snapback] I have this vision of Rocky fighting Ivan Drago when he cuts the Russian's upper cheek, causing him to bleed...and his trainer Duke in the corner yelling "You see? He's bleeding! You cut him! He's NOT a machine! You hear me? He's NOT a machine! He's a man!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachChuckDickerson Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 I have this vision of Rocky fighting Ivan Drago when he cuts the Russian's upper cheek, causing him to bleed...and his trainer Duke in the corner yelling "You see? He's bleeding! You cut him! He's NOT a machine! You hear me? He's NOT a machine! He's a man!" 487061[/snapback] "If it bleeds we can kill it." - Arnold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill in Livonia Posted October 26, 2005 Author Share Posted October 26, 2005 I have this vision of Rocky fighting Ivan Drago when he cuts the Russian's upper cheek, causing him to bleed...and his trainer Duke in the corner yelling "You see? He's bleeding! You cut him! He's NOT a machine! You hear me? He's NOT a machine! He's a man!" Can you see J P Losman Running up the steps in Philly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardy Pyle Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 exactly...look at some of the coaches who have been chased out... ..Wade Phillips/Dan Henning/Pendry/Cottrell/Levy/ I'm sure there are more, but no GM/coach is without criticism. Success takes time. Sometimes more time than fickle fans want to give. I'm not quite as angry as many of you as I never saw this team as a good team. Even last year, I saw all the flaws. Even with the #1 defence rating and all the turnovers, I would have taken our Pat Williams/Ted Washington/Cowart/Winfield/Sam Rogers/Newman/Holocek defence over this one. That was a physical defence that abused people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typical TBD Guy Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 Success takes time. Sometimes more time than fickle fans want to give. 487155[/snapback] We are rapidly approaching the longest playoff drought in the franchise's mostly dismal 46-year history (will be 6 straight non-playoff seasons if we don't make it this year; the record is 7 straight, from 1967-73). And yet you are characterizing many of us who are losing patience as "fickle?" Check this out, Bills GM's that I've ranked by regular season winning percentage: 1. Bill Polian: .622 (69-42) Seasons: 7 Seasons with playoffs: 5 Playoff record: 8-5 Accomplishments: 3 AFC championships, 4 division titles 2. Dick Gallagher: .602 (56-37-5) Seasons: 7 Seasons with playoffs: 4 Playoff Record: 2-2 Accomplishments: 2 AFL championships, 3 division titles 3. John Butler: .578 (74-54) Seasons: 8 Seasons with playoffs: 5 Playoff Record: 3-5 Accomplishments: 1 AFC championship, 2 division titles 4. Stew Barber: .561 (32-25) Seasons: 4 Seasons with playoffs: 2 Playoff record: 1-2 Accomplishments: 1 division title 5. Pat McGroder: .500 (8-8) Seasons: 1 Seasons with playoffs: 0 Playoff record: 0-0 Accomplishments: None 6. Teflon Tom Donahoe: .408 (29-42) Seasons: 4 plus this current one Seasons with playoffs: 0 Playoff record: 0-0 Accomplishments: None 7. Bob Lustig: .317 (53-114-3) Seasons: 12 Seasons with playoffs: 1 Playoff record: 0-1 Accomplishments: None 8. Terry Bledsoe: .125 (4-28) Seasons: 2 Seasons with playoffs: 0 Playoff record: 0-0 Accomplishments: None My conclusion? Pretty much the same that I had back in April: playoffs this year or the pink slip. Finding a new GM of the same caliber or better as Teflon Tom shouldn't take too long. Is Stew Barber still available? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochBillsFan Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 We are rapidly approaching the longest playoff drought in the franchise's mostly dismal 46-year history (will be 6 straight non-playoff seasons if we don't make it this year; the record is 7 straight, from 1967-73). And yet you are characterizing many of us who are losing patience as "fickle?" Check this out, Bills GM's that I've ranked by regular season winning percentage: 1. Bill Polian: .622 (69-42) Seasons: 7 Seasons with playoffs: 5 Playoff record: 8-5 Accomplishments: 3 AFC championships, 4 division titles 2. Dick Gallagher: .602 (56-37-5) Seasons: 7 Seasons with playoffs: 4 Playoff Record: 2-2 Accomplishments: 2 AFL championships, 3 division titles 3. John Butler: .578 (74-54) Seasons: 8 Seasons with playoffs: 5 Playoff Record: 3-5 Accomplishments: 1 AFC championship, 2 division titles 4. Stew Barber: .561 (32-25) Seasons: 4 Seasons with playoffs: 2 Playoff record: 1-2 Accomplishments: 1 division title 5. Pat McGroder: .500 (8-8) Seasons: 1 Seasons with playoffs: 0 Playoff record: 0-0 Accomplishments: None 6. Teflon Tom Donahoe: .408 (29-42) Seasons: 4 plus this current one Seasons with playoffs: 0 Playoff record: 0-0 Accomplishments: None 7. Bob Lustig: .317 (53-114-3) Seasons: 12 Seasons with playoffs: 1 Playoff record: 0-1 Accomplishments: None 8. Terry Bledsoe: .125 (4-28) Seasons: 2 Seasons with playoffs: 0 Playoff record: 0-0 Accomplishments: None My conclusion? Pretty much the same that I had back in April: playoffs this year or the pink slip. Finding a new GM of the same caliber or better as Teflon Tom shouldn't take too long. Is Stew Barber still available? 487210[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Navy Chief Navy Pride Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 487259[/snapback] ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gross Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 Well, you see Roch, apparently to some farmers a sprinkle marks the end to a drought. So the "one-and-done" single-season playoff appearances count as drought-breakers, even if it didn't build to anything. The same kind of people use the term "once in a row" pretty often...Thanks to that playoff blowout vs Pittsburgh in 1974 we did not have one long drought between '66 and '80, but two smaller droughts. I'm sure if we had made it to the playoffs last year and been creamed in the first round these same people would have been perfectly content with the way things are going now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typical TBD Guy Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 Well, you see Roch, apparently to some farmers a sprinkle marks the end to a drought. So the "one-and-done" single-season playoff appearances count as drought-breakers, even if it didn't build to anything. The same kind of people use the term "once in a row" pretty often...Thanks to that playoff blowout vs Pittsburgh in 1974 we did not have one long drought between '66 and '80, but two smaller droughts. I'm sure if we had made it to the playoffs last year and been creamed in the first round these same people would have been perfectly content with the way things are going now... 487276[/snapback] What's your point? Mine was that a Bills fan isn't being impatient or fickle by complaining about 5 to 6 straight years without playoffs. Do you disagree? If you want to consider breaking a playoff drought as making the playoffs two consecutive years - or winning a playoff game - then be my guest. So that would set the longest playoff drought in Bills history at 13. Now what? 13 is pretty bad, but 5 to 6 is pretty bad as well - particularly in the free agency/salary cap era where a GM has many more opportunities to build a winner quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seq004 Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 We are rapidly approaching the longest playoff drought in the franchise's mostly dismal 46-year history (will be 6 straight non-playoff seasons if we don't make it this year; the record is 7 straight, from 1967-73). And yet you are characterizing many of us who are losing patience as "fickle?" Check this out, Bills GM's that I've ranked by regular season winning percentage: 1. Bill Polian: .622 (69-42) Seasons: 7 Seasons with playoffs: 5 Playoff record: 8-5 Accomplishments: 3 AFC championships, 4 division titles 2. Dick Gallagher: .602 (56-37-5) Seasons: 7 Seasons with playoffs: 4 Playoff Record: 2-2 Accomplishments: 2 AFL championships, 3 division titles 3. John Butler: .578 (74-54) Seasons: 8 Seasons with playoffs: 5 Playoff Record: 3-5 Accomplishments: 1 AFC championship, 2 division titles 4. Stew Barber: .561 (32-25) Seasons: 4 Seasons with playoffs: 2 Playoff record: 1-2 Accomplishments: 1 division title 5. Pat McGroder: .500 (8-8) Seasons: 1 Seasons with playoffs: 0 Playoff record: 0-0 Accomplishments: None 6. Teflon Tom Donahoe: .408 (29-42) Seasons: 4 plus this current one Seasons with playoffs: 0 Playoff record: 0-0 Accomplishments: None 7. Bob Lustig: .317 (53-114-3) Seasons: 12 Seasons with playoffs: 1 Playoff record: 0-1 Accomplishments: None 8. Terry Bledsoe: .125 (4-28) Seasons: 2 Seasons with playoffs: 0 Playoff record: 0-0 Accomplishments: None My conclusion? Pretty much the same that I had back in April: playoffs this year or the pink slip. Finding a new GM of the same caliber or better as Teflon Tom shouldn't take too long. Is Stew Barber still available? 487210[/snapback] Thank-you! It seems some folks are OK with a GM with horrible record and is clearly ruining the franchise. I believe 6 seasons is plenty long enough to give a GM a chance to make the playoffs. I guess some fans are just happy with mediocrity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finknottle Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 ... We will improve as the season goes on and over the off season. Watching Holcomb play QB you can see why he never took over as number one on any of his previous teams. He is a solid back up, no more. JP Losman is still our QB of the Future and needs more playing time. Don't be too ready to throw him away or change the leadership. He needs to work in the same system for the same bosses. 487028[/snapback] I'm just curious how you can say that based on watching Holcomb you conclude he will never be better than a solid backup, and yet you say JP is our QB of the future. What have you seen in JP on the field (but not in Holcomb) that propels him ahead? Or is it because he's a 1st round draft choice, therefore he will become starter caliber? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill in Livonia Posted October 27, 2005 Author Share Posted October 27, 2005 What have you seen in JP on the field (but not in Holcomb) that propels him ahead? What have I seen? I saw a strong arm able to pass deep. I saw thw ability to pass on the run. I saw JP run efectively whit uncustomary speed for a QB. Without experience in games JP will not be able to read defenses and develop pocket presence. GO BILLS!! PLASTER THE PATSIES!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ1 Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 I'm just curious how you can say that based on watching Holcomb you conclude he will never be better than a solid backup, and yet you say JP is our QB of the future. What have you seen in JP on the field (but not in Holcomb) that propels him ahead? Or is it because he's a 1st round draft choice, therefore he will become starter caliber? 487827[/snapback] How long does it traditionally take to develop a NFL caliber QB? Hint: it's more than 4 games. But you have no sense of history do you? Answer: 3 - 5 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 Without experience in games JP will not be able to read defenses and develop pocket presence. 487861[/snapback] Cosidering that his only experience during the offseason was against our mighty Defesne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orton's Arm Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 How long does it traditionally take to develop a NFL caliber QB?. . . Answer: 3 - 5 years 487977[/snapback] I'm just afraid that in 3 - 5 years, Wilson will be dead. Also, Phil Simms pointed out that even when a rookie QB struggles, he typically shows flashes of future brilliance if his career is going to go anywhere. Losman hasn't shown that. While I haven't given up on him completely, I'm less confident than I was at the beginning of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cåblelady Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 Losman hasn't shown that. While I haven't given up on him completely, I'm less confident than I was at the beginning of the season. 488063[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 overall, after all the dust settles, we must realize that it would have been much simpler to use the draft pick we used on Losman to go get a SOLID left tackle, use the Cap room we saved from bledsoe to go get another SOLID OL, and i dunno, just upgrade the damn line, keep Pat Williams or go sign someone just as good , ahem Corey Simon and keep a hermit as a QB. Look at the chiefs, you could put me as the QB and they'd have a stellar passing game, its obvious that if KH had time to throw he would be successful, drafting QB's is like playing a lottery ticket, the odds of getting a winner are slim... Losman was a 1st round pick, correction he was a #20 over all pick. He might turn out to be good but id rather have a good OL than a superstar QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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