VABills Posted August 31, 2005 Share Posted August 31, 2005 Why do we allow ourself to get caught short? Let''s just drill the puppy and get us a nice surplus and home supply of oil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philburger1 Posted August 31, 2005 Share Posted August 31, 2005 Why do we allow ourself to get caught short? Let''s just drill the puppy and get us a nice surplus and home supply of oil. 424769[/snapback] We need some more places to refine it too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted August 31, 2005 Author Share Posted August 31, 2005 We need some more places to refine it too. 424774[/snapback] I agree. I believe we have some military bases being closed, some of them Navy with ports. Pretty easy in and out. Nice locations for refineries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philburger1 Posted August 31, 2005 Share Posted August 31, 2005 I agree. I believe we have some military bases being closed, some of them Navy with ports. Pretty easy in and out. Nice locations for refineries. 424795[/snapback] Yep, and easy to secure as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 (!@#$ the spelling, don’t read this then) I'm having a hard time dealing with this ANWAR thing. Its not the problem, we can get enough oil if we want. We brought the middle east into the 21 (or 22 century, depending on who you believe) It was in our best interest to do that. The big three had the capabilities of developing a much better car, more fuel efficient. Wasn’t gonna happen. Just think of the jobs that could be lost due to a car that got 30MPG back in the 70's, or a car that had a set of plugs last longer than 15 or 25 thousand miles. In the grand scheme of things, the global plan was for the middle east to catch up, while sustaining our economy at the same time. There is enough oil to bring us into the 22 century and beyond, we're just 50 years behind.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Panther Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 Why do we allow ourself to get caught short? Let''s just drill the puppy and get us a nice surplus and home supply of oil. 424769[/snapback] uh huh, 10 years from now we'll get enough out of there to last a year. Great idea. How about making real choices that solve the prroblem... forget the Bush scams that don't solve anything but help GOP Contributions from the drillers. Higher MPG. Dems and especially the GOP should be ashamed of themselves for not executing this quick fix and doing something that would actually help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Panther Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 (!@#$ the spelling, don’t read this then)I'm having a hard time dealing with this ANWAR thing. Its not the problem, we can get enough oil if we want. We brought the middle east into the 21 (or 22 century, depending on who you believe) It was in our best interest to do that. The big three had the capabilities of developing a much better car, more fuel efficient. Wasn’t gonna happen. Just think of the jobs that could be lost due to a car that got 30MPG back in the 70's, or a car that had a set of plugs last longer than 15 or 25 thousand miles. In the grand scheme of things, the global plan was for the middle east to catch up, while sustaining our economy at the same time. There is enough oil to bring us into the 22 century and beyond, we're just 50 years behind.......... 424858[/snapback] Agreed but it won't cost jobs. That's a bunch of garbage to protect the scam and the GOP backers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 Agreed but it won't cost jobs. That's a bunch of garbage to protect the scam and the GOP backers. 424871[/snapback] And why is only the GOP backers? Get off the party suck box, think alittle bit...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Panther Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 And why is only the GOP backers? Get off the party suck box, think alittle bit...... 424876[/snapback] Excuse me, yes you are right. there are a handful of Dim senators that voted against higher MPG to save their political butt. What happened to American enginuity and resourcefullness?? Greed, lobbyists and money has corrupted our whore politicians so much that we are paying for it up the butt just so select industries can prosper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 Excuse me, yes you are right. there are a handful of Dim senators that voted against higher MPG to save their political butt. What happened to American enginuity and resourcefullness?? Greed, lobbyists and money has corrupted our whore politicians so much that we are paying for it up the butt just so select industries can prosper. 424884[/snapback] You missed the point, the aim for this country was to bring them out of the 16th century. We pulled them through the sand storms. Now they control us, for lack of a better term. Both the Dim’s and the rep’ub have done it, cant you see that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Panther Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 You missed the point, the aim for this country was to bring them out of the 16th century. We pulled them through the sand storms. Now they control us, for lack of a better term. Both the Dim’s and the rep’ub have done it, cant you see that? 424901[/snapback] absolutely! You are 100% correct. and why? because of our greed and need for political money from those who benefit from these policies. There is no way we can eliminate the towel heads resources unless we make some hard choices and get on with what made this nation great... No amount of drilling here can replace arab oil... even if it could it is backwards thinking and does nothing to move on to a brighter, cleaner, self reliant future of energy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boomerjamhead Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 uh huh, 10 years from now we'll get enough out of there to last a year. Great idea. How about making real choices that solve the prroblem... forget the Bush scams that don't solve anything but help GOP Contributions from the drillers. Higher MPG. Dems and especially the GOP should be ashamed of themselves for not executing this quick fix and doing something that would actually help. 424866[/snapback] I'm cool with that provided we start building more nuclear reactors for generation of electricity. Had you actually read Bush's energy plan, you wouldn't be talking out of your ass right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 absolutely! You are 100% correct. and why? because of our greed and need for political money from those who benefit from these policies. There is no way we can eliminate the towel heads resources unless we make some hard choices and get on with what made this nation great... No amount of drilling here can replace arab oil... even if it could it is backwards thinking and does nothing to move on to a brighter, cleaner, self reliant future of energy. 424906[/snapback] Ok, so where do we start? The back bone of this economy for many years has been the car industries. What would you do to the Millions or so unionized that live off of the tit. Any ideas? Do you realize how much it takes to create a prototype car? And how many years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Stampede Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 Ok, so where do we start? The back bone of this economy for many years has been the car industries. What would you do to the Millions or so unionized that live off of the tit. Any ideas? Do you realize how much it takes to create a prototype car? And how many years? 424922[/snapback] From what I see... hybrids are not a prototype, and to increase mpg? it's here. VW's get 40 now, it is easy, and it won't put millions out of work.... that comment is extreme and false. We have the tech to do it easily. But Oil and Auto are in bed. Can't you see that? You go Black Panther!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 From what I see... hybrids are not a prototype, and to increase mpg? it's here. VW's get 40 now, it is easy, and it won't put millions out of work.... that comment is extreme and false. We have the tech to do it easily. But Oil and Auto are in bed. Can't you see that? You go Black Panther!! 424951[/snapback] That was to easy. Feel better guppy? Of course there are cars that get good MPG. (Whats highlighted is funny and lame) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boomerjamhead Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 Of course there are cars that get good MPG. 424977[/snapback] Too bad I can't haul my dirtbike around in those types of vehicles. Nor can I take them to the mountains on hunting and snowboarding trips. I guess I'll just have to just give up my hobbies and hang out on the internet surfing porn my whole life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 Too bad I can't haul my dirtbike around in those types of vehicles. Nor can I take them to the mountains on hunting and snowboarding trips. I guess I'll just have to just give up my hobbies and hang out on the internet surfing porn my whole life. 424990[/snapback] (We're all gonna die, man.................. ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Stampede Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 That was to easy. Feel better guppy? Of course there are cars that get good MPG. (Whats highlighted is funny and lame) 424977[/snapback] Genius reply .... I guess you give up on your rediculous statements and choose to insult and run. Lemming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 Genius reply .... I guess you give up on your rediculous statements and choose to insult and run. Lemming. 425007[/snapback] Actuallyl your pal kind of agreed with me. Its an opinon that he seemed to maybe share. You OK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 And if you have 3 kids, how are you gonna fit them in a VW? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted September 1, 2005 Author Share Posted September 1, 2005 From what I see... hybrids are not a prototype, and to increase mpg? it's here. VW's get 40 now, it is easy, and it won't put millions out of work.... that comment is extreme and false. We have the tech to do it easily. But Oil and Auto are in bed. Can't you see that? You go Black Panther!! 424951[/snapback] When they can start getting 40-50 mpg in a van/SUV that I can haul kids around in, and if need be pull a trailer or a boat, etc... let me know. Sure not every needs that but who are you to tell me I can't. I pay extra taxes if it costs more then 30K, I pay higher fuel costs, plus a tax surcharge if it doesn't get enough MPG. Good luck with your little VW/hybrid in a snow storm, or major flooding, or hauling wood back to heat your house to save on heating fuel, or going camping with the boy scouts, family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finknottle Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 I'm cool with that provided we start building more nuclear reactors for generation of electricity. Had you actually read Bush's energy plan, you wouldn't be talking out of your ass right now. 424909[/snapback] Ah, the presidents energy plan... that must be somewhere between the one which has the budget in surplus by 2011 and manned missions to mars by 2020. Any politicians plan that talks about events after he leaves office isn't worth diddly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Stampede Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 And if you have 3 kids, how are you gonna fit them in a VW? 425049[/snapback] Buy an Escape. Geeze why can't you even TRY to see alternatives!? Stop your whinning and lemming attitude and open your eyes! WYF! Guys like you hold America back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boomerjamhead Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 Any politicians plan that talks about events after he leaves office isn't worth diddly. 425078[/snapback] Which believe it or not explains our current war on terror. The overt campaign should have started a deacade ago, but that pesky twenty-second amendment put Clinton's precieved legacy between a rock and a hard place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 And if you have 3 kids, how are you gonna fit them in a VW? 425049[/snapback] If they are Jewish, then all you need is an ashtr............... Okay that was tasteless. : blush: (but still funny) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EC-Bills Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 And if you have 3 kids, how are you gonna fit them in a VW? 425049[/snapback] The old fashion way - put them in the trunk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 You go Black Panther!! 424951[/snapback] Wow, complimenting yourself. How sad is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachChuckDickerson Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 Just a little FYI: According to the Energy Information Agency (EIA) in a report released in March, 2004: "It is expected that the price of ANWR coastal plain production might reduce world oil prices by as much as 30 to 50 cents per barrel... Assuming that world oil markets continue to work as they do today, the OPEC could countermand any potential price impact of ANWR coastal plain production by reducing its exports by an equal amount." Yeah lets watse out resources up there! Lets see, $70 minus $.50 is $69.50. Brilliant! Facts suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuntheDamnBall Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 Too bad I can't haul my dirtbike around in those types of vehicles. Nor can I take them to the mountains on hunting and snowboarding trips. I guess I'll just have to just give up my hobbies and hang out on the internet surfing porn my whole life. 424990[/snapback] Well, then you're one of the few actually using a large vehicle for some real purpose. It drives me absolutely nuts seeing a single person driving around in a luxury SUV here in the CITY. Of course, these are the first people in line to B word about the gas prices. I'm not saying SUV's, pickups shouldn't exist. They are necessary vehicles for several functions such as those you lay out. HOWEVER, they have been marketed and consumed as mass-market vehicles for people who don't need them. These people have given little thought to the impact their vehicles and driving habits have on the environment and on fuel consumption. All the same, I'm sure you even up the porn-to-motocross ratio a bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted September 1, 2005 Share Posted September 1, 2005 We need some more places to refine it too. 424774[/snapback] Actually that is the truth. There is adequate supply of oil but no place to refine it. Refineries are at 93% capacity (which by the way is very high and close to maximum). So any problems like Hurricane Katrina cause huge problems. Oil prices may not go much above $60 because we are at max capacity - there is no demand curve to flatten with increases in price !!! Also after a point alternative fuels and technologies start getting investments so it is in OPEC's best interest to not cross that (price) line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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