Who looks worse, us or the Fins?

[Rico]

Here ya go, folks...the Sports Hall of Shame.

 

http://www.allnerdsandgeeks.com/index.HallOfShame.html

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Nice find, but I had to mute the volume, that music was creeping me out.

 

July 1995: Star Minnesota Vikings (football) quarterback Warren Moon, by reputation one of the most upstanding players in the NFL, is arrested in SUBURBAN Houston and charged with misdemeanor assault after he slapped his wife, choking her "nearly to the point of unconsciousness" during an argument. MOON IS LATER ACQUITTED AFTER HIS WIFE REFUSES TO TESTIFY. A few months previously, Moon had been charged with sexual assault by a Vikings cheerleader in a case that was settled out of court.

I didn't know that, what a POS.

[EndZoneCrew]

he slapped his wife, choking her "nearly to the point of unconsciousness

 

Isn't that some sort of sexual fetish?

[dave mcbride]

I have to laugh at that.  I've often wondered how he'd have done had Minnesota not given up FIVE players and TWELVE draft choices for Herchel Walker, giving Jimmuh a ton of "get out of jail free" cards to use on guys like Steve Walsh (when he already had Troy Aikman).

 

Barry Switzer won a title with Jimmuh's team.  He a great coach too?

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yes, but, but .... Johnson was the guy who engineered that trade! that has to go into his coaching credit column, i think. by the way, the trade was unbelievably convoluted:

 

http://www.vikingupdate.com/history/histor...s/thetrade.html

 

at any rate, it seems to me that johnson was inarguably a great coach with the cowboys, taking over a miserable team and building one of the great teams of recent times. call me crazy, but i have a hunch that that the hatred of him displayed by many here might have something to do with the bills getting slaughtered twice in the super bowl by the cowboys.

[dave mcbride]

I have to laugh at that.  I've often wondered how he'd have done had Minnesota not given up FIVE players and TWELVE draft choices for Herchel Walker, giving Jimmuh a ton of "get out of jail free" cards to use on guys like Steve Walsh (when he already had Troy Aikman).

 

Barry Switzer won a title with Jimmuh's team.  He a great coach too?

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re the steve walsh pick, it occurred before the walker trade. here's what johnson had to say about the walsh pick in retrospect:

 

"A lot of teams don't understand the pure value of drafting a quarterback. When I was in Dallas, the only other guy was Ron Wolf in Green Bay. I can remember in 1990 because we were a bad team with had the first pick in the supplemental draft. So, we took U. of Miami quarterback Steve Walsh.

 

 

Jerry Jones was saying, 'We don't need another quarterback.' I knew that we didn't need two rookie quarterbacks growing old together. But I knew that Walsh had value. We had to be guarded about our opinion of Walsh. I had to walk a tightrope with the media and with Troy. We couldn't downplay Walsh's ability, but I knew Aikman was my quarterback.

 

We got one year out of him as a backup and then we got a three draft choices from New Orleans for Walsh. I gave up a first rounder and got back a one, two and a three. Now that's value. If a team can, they should consider drafting a quarterback every year because if they hit on somebody, they have value. So many teams make it hard on themselves. They often research a guy so much; they research themselves out of taking someone they really want."

[stuckincincy]

Nice find, but I had to mute the volume, that music was creeping me out.

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Oops...didn't know. I don't accept sounds on my PC.

[Alaska Darin]

yes, but, but .... Johnson was the guy who engineered that trade! that has to go into his coaching credit column, i think.  by the way, the trade was unbelievably convoluted:

 

http://www.vikingupdate.com/history/histor...s/thetrade.html

 

at any rate, it seems to me that johnson was inarguably a great coach with the cowboys, taking over a miserable team and building one of the great teams of recent times. call me crazy, but i have a hunch that that the hatred of him displayed by many here might have something to do with the bills getting slaughtered twice in the super bowl by the cowboys.

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That's certainly a way to look at it. I prefer to think Mike Brown offered him a deal that no one in their right mind could have refused because Brown made the classic mistake of openly coveting something someone else had. I doubt quite seriously that Jimmy had to do much more than say "OK".

[Alaska Darin]

re the steve walsh pick, it occurred before the walker trade. here's what johnson had to say about the walsh pick in retrospect:

 

"A lot of teams don't understand the pure value of drafting a quarterback. When I was in Dallas, the only other guy was Ron Wolf in Green Bay. I can remember in 1990 because we were a bad team with had the first pick in the supplemental draft. So, we took U. of Miami quarterback Steve Walsh.

Jerry Jones was saying, 'We don't need another quarterback.' I knew that we didn't need two rookie quarterbacks growing old together. But I knew that Walsh had value. We had to be guarded about our opinion of Walsh. I had to walk a tightrope with the media and with Troy. We couldn't downplay Walsh's ability, but I knew Aikman was my quarterback.

 

We got one year out of him as a backup and then we got a three draft choices from New Orleans for Walsh. I gave up a first rounder and got back a one, two and a three. Now that's value. If a team can, they should consider drafting a quarterback every year because if they hit on somebody, they have value. So many teams make it hard on themselves. They often research a guy so much; they research themselves out of taking someone they really want."

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Which is nothing more than Jimmy covering his ass. A one, two, and a three for what ended up being the first overall pick in the draft? Sorry Jimmy, you got your ass handed to you on that one. Look what SD gave up to move up ONE SPOT to get Ryan Leaf (two number ones, a two, Pro Bowler Eric Metcalf, and Patrick Sapp).

[Typical TBD Guy]

Fins:

 

Cecil Collins

Ricky Williams

Jim Drunkenmiller

Randy McMichael

Lawrence Philips

Jimmy Johnson- didnt do anything himself, just said he would draft Hitler if he could play

 

Bills:

 

OJ

Travis Henry

Matt Stevens

 

Who has the worst history of team losers. OJ is a BIG hit for sure.

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Fins are far worse. No contest. Just look at the JJ quote you mention. It's very representative of the whole Dolphins organization mindset ever since Huizenga took over in 1990. The Dolphins have zero concern over player character, and they'll not hesitate to draft or sign any fugitive on talent alone.

 

The Bills, on the other hand, have taken character into consideration for as far back as I can remember. This is because Ralph Wilson is a respectable human with a healthy social conscience. We can all look at Henry, Stevens, and especially OJ and call them big POS. But don't forget one crucial thing: none were drafted/signed with any known prior criminal baggage. Stevens tested positive and was soon cut. Henry had sex with a girl in a gas station, and his replacement was subsequently drafted. OJ killed 2 people almost 2 decades after leaving the Bills.

 

But if OJ were to magically regain his old running skills back, I'd bet good $$$ that the Fins would instantly sign him to a huge contract. And I'd also bet that OJ's agent would be Rosenhaus.

[dave mcbride]

Which is nothing more than Jimmy covering his ass.  A one, two, and a three for what ended up being the first overall pick in the draft?  Sorry Jimmy, you got your ass handed to you on that one.  Look what SD gave up to move up ONE SPOT to get Ryan Leaf (two number ones, a two, Pro Bowler Eric Metcalf, and Patrick Sapp).

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to be honest, my first thought upon reading that was that he was covering his ass, but then it struck me that he had already taken a qb #1 overall a few months before (aikman) who was clearly better than walsh in terms of physical talent. it was hardly the same as the leaf situation in san diego, which had no one. humphries had just retired. a side note: gilbride, the new coach, you may recall, pushed beathard hard to trade for rob johnson, who he coached in jax. i think the deal involved trading their 1 (#3 overall) in some sort of draft swap with the jags. in any event, it may in fact be the case that johnson is telling the truth and was using walsh as ammunition for future draft trades, a scenario which certainly has the ring of truth to it when considering the massive number of trades for future picks he made in subsequent years.

[Alaska Darin]

to be honest, my first thought upon reading that was that he was covering his ass, but then it struck me that he had already taken a qb #1 overall a few months before (aikman) who was clearly better than walsh in terms of physical talent.  it was hardly the same as the leaf situation in san diego, which had no one.  humphries had just retired. a side note: gilbride, the new coach, you may recall, pushed beathard hard to trade for rob johnson, who he coached in jax.  i think the deal involved trading their 1 (#3 overall) in some sort of draft swap with the jags. in any event, it may in fact be the case that johnson is telling the truth and was using walsh as ammunition for future draft trades, a scenario which certainly has the ring of truth to it when considering the massive number of trades for future picks he made in subsequent years.

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That may be, but Herchel Walker may be the only player in NFL history that was worth more than the top pick in the draft. Perhaps Johnson had the foresight to know he wouldn't be able to trade down from the Top 3 the following season (conventional wisdom was that the Cowboys were going to suck in an epic manner) - but I'm not going to give him credit for that.

[Dwight Drane]

Dec. 1986: Green Bay Packers (football) star James Lofton is arrested on new sexual assault charges in Green Bay. He is acquitted shortly after being traded to the Los Angeles Raiders. Lofton and one other Green Bay player had previously been accu sed of assaulting a woman in the dressing room of a Milwaukee nightclub in 1984

 

 

Everyone seems to forget this one.

[dave mcbride]

Dec. 1986: Green Bay Packers (football) star James Lofton is arrested on new sexual assault charges in Green Bay. He is acquitted shortly after being traded to the Los Angeles Raiders. Lofton and one other Green Bay player had previously been accu sed of assaulting a woman in the dressing room of a Milwaukee nightclub in 1984

Everyone seems to forget this one.

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conrad dobler too. while as far as i know he was never arrested, the stuff he did on the field -- breaking people's arms deliberately at the bottom of a pile after a play (a crime he fessed up to), for instance -- would have landed him in jail if it had occurred outside the stadium. he was a truly malicious and unsavory human being.

[smokinandjokin]

Just consider the fans--

 

When the Bills fans storm the field, they try to tear down the goalposts.

 

When the Dolphins fans storm the field, they try to snort the goalline!!!

[Puhonix]

Just consider the fans--

 

When the Bills fans storm the field, they try to tear down the goalposts.

 

When the Dolphins fans storm the field, they try to snort the goalline!!!

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I remember before one of the AFC championships between Miami and Buffalo the news station did a Miami/Buffalo thing about the cities. The one that I always remember is someone in Buffalo standing next to a snowman and saying "In Buffalo, our snow isn't illegal."