Kurt Warner on Josh's recent INTs

[PoundingDog]

The last throw in the Texans' game brought new light on why running your route precisely is what separates great ones (Jerry Rice is famous for) from a JAG receiver. And Yes Diggs is someone Josh can trust and Palmer is someone Josh can't in stress scenarios.

 

I'm not saying Josh is perfect. Just like Warner pointed out, as well as many others (cover 1, Marino etc.), the Steelers game INT is all Josh.

 

 

 

[SoonerBillsFan]

7 minutes ago, PoundingDog said:

The last throw in the Texans' game brought new light on why running your route precisely is what separates great ones (Jerry Rice is famous for) from a JAG receiver. And Yes Diggs is someone Josh can trust and Palmer is someone Josh can't in stress scenarios.

 

I'm not saying Josh is perfect. Just like Warner pointed out, as well as many others (cover 1, Marino etc.), the Steelers game INT is all Josh.

 

 

 

The INT on the slant is 100% Josh. He had both guys wide open on slants to the top, let alone what Warner says

[HoofHearted]

14 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

The INT on the slant is 100% Josh. He had both guys wide open on slants to the top, let alone what Warner says

They wouldn't have been if he had eyes that way first though. That's what a lot of people who watch this film and break it down don't understand. Zone coverages move with eyes. Steelers were in a Cover 3 look on that play. That backside Safety with eyes away is not going to drop down as far with eyes away as he would with eyes too because the route will develop further before eyes can get back to that side. Queen would immediately push to Knox with eyes to that side. So eyes top first would have brought the Safety down to the slant of 1 and Queen to the slant of 2, essentially the exact same coverage you get to the bottom with eyes to it between the overhang and backer.

 

Just a bad concept vs what we got from the defense.

[Maine-iac]

10 minutes ago, HoofHearted said:

They wouldn't have been if he had eyes that way first though. That's what a lot of people who watch this film and break it down don't understand. Zone coverages move with eyes. Steelers were in a Cover 3 look on that play. That backside Safety with eyes away is not going to drop down as far with eyes away as he would with eyes too because the route will develop further before eyes can get back to that side. Queen would immediately push to Knox with eyes to that side. So eyes top first would have brought the Safety down to the slant of 1 and Queen to the slant of 2, essentially the exact same coverage you get to the bottom with eyes to it between the overhang and backer.

 

Just a bad concept vs what we got from the defense.

When the backer blitzes he should have automatically gone to that side.  You throw to replace the blitzer in almost all situations.  If it's done right it's almost a bang bang play and neither queen nor the safety are going to get to the TE before Allen would have had a completion.  At the bare minimum you don't throw into that coverage.  For all the great things Allen does his best games he takes the profit and plays efficiently and in his not great games, which is happening more this season, he looks off easy throws and winds up in bad situations.  It's not the be all end all of stats but there's a reason Allen's QBR is at an all time low.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

On that last Houston game play:

 

1) that should not have been OPI on Gabe. He was running a normal route and the defender was the one who basically initiated that contact.

 

2) Warner is right: Palmer royally screwed up. 

[HoofHearted]

4 minutes ago, Maine-iac said:

When the backer blitzes he should have automatically gone to that side.  You throw to replace the blitzer in almost all situations.  If it's done right it's almost a bang bang play and neither queen nor the safety are going to get to the TE before Allen would have had a completion.  At the bare minimum you don't throw into that coverage.  For all the great things Allen does his best games he takes the profit and plays efficiently and in his not great games, which is happening more this season, he looks off easy throws and winds up in bad situations.  It's not the be all end all of stats but there's a reason Allen's QBR is at an all time low.

If he throws it immediately it’s definitely bang bang. You’re gonna be about 5 yards short of a first though. Not sure the competitive nature in Josh gets him to throw that short of the stick regardless of whether it’s the right thing to do or not unfortunately.

[SoonerBillsFan]

42 minutes ago, HoofHearted said:

They wouldn't have been if he had eyes that way first though. That's what a lot of people who watch this film and break it down don't understand. Zone coverages move with eyes. Steelers were in a Cover 3 look on that play. That backside Safety with eyes away is not going to drop down as far with eyes away as he would with eyes too because the route will develop further before eyes can get back to that side. Queen would immediately push to Knox with eyes to that side. So eyes top first would have brought the Safety down to the slant of 1 and Queen to the slant of 2, essentially the exact same coverage you get to the bottom with eyes to it between the overhang and backer.

 

Just a bad concept vs what we got from the defense.

Im sure you are shocked considering who the OC is...

[RobbRiddick]

I wish we could trade this guy for Maye, straight up. 

[Maine-iac]

1 minute ago, HoofHearted said:

If he throws it immediately it’s definitely bang bang. You’re gonna be about 5 yards short of a first though. Not sure the competitive nature in Josh gets him to throw that short of the stick regardless of whether it’s the right thing to do or not unfortunately.

I'm not going to try to sell you that they get a first but it was 3rd and 9 and they certainly could have picked up 6 or 7 and been inside the 40.  We've gone for it a million times on a 4th and 2 and the edge of Prater's field goal range.  All that aside the throw he did make was one of a lot of bad decisions Josh has made this year.  The throw he missed is forgivable.  The throw he made was just bad.  Outside of last year Allen has turned the ball over pretty consistently most of his career.  We've also usually had better defenses to absorb some of that.