Wolfgang Posted August 27 Author Posted August 27 Interesting... 7 hours in... And no one has any thoughts on my question... Why am I not surprised lol...
Wolfgang Posted August 27 Author Posted August 27 6 minutes ago, Walking Tall said: Yes. Cool... Why do you think that is?
Walking Tall Posted August 27 Posted August 27 3 minutes ago, Wolfgang said: Cool... Why do you think that is? You tell me what you think first.
thenorthremembers Posted August 27 Posted August 27 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Wolfgang said: Interesting... 7 hours in... And no one has any thoughts on my question... Why am I not surprised lol... There is a couple reasons no one has answered your question. 1. If you've ever opened a Bible you already know what Jesus says about enemies of Israel 2. You're not actually curious about what Jesus thinks about the subject. You're simply trying to start an argument in the hopes to call Christians hypocrites. 3. You asked the question on a workday then got frustrated when no one played along with your game. Providing further proof you dont actually care about what Jesus says. What is truly surprising is you not also asking what Allah thinks about Hamas and their actions. Notice how its never Allah? Edited August 27 by thenorthremembers 1
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted August 27 Posted August 27 Isreal has blood on its hands just like Palestine. Nobody can remove them forcefully so they stay. Islam wants to eradicate Isreal so this conflict will never end unless one is eliminated. 1
Wolfgang Posted August 27 Author Posted August 27 1 minute ago, Walking Tall said: You tell me what you think first. I think Jesus would have a major problem with Israel right now... 1 minute ago, thenorthremembers said: There is a couple reasons no one has answered your question. 1. If you've ever opened a Bible you already know what Jesus says about enemies of Israel 2. You're not actually curious about what Jesus thinks about the subject. You're simply trying to start an argument in the hopes to call Christians hypocrites. 3. You asked the question on a workday then got frustrated when no one played along with your game. Providing further proof you dont actually care about what Jesus says. 1) What does the Bible say about enemies of Israel? 2) I didn't ask what Jesus thinks. I asked what people think Jesus' position would be. This is no more argumentative than C section's Alligator Alcatraz thread that is up to 5 pages. 3) I'm not frustrated at all. You are projecting. Bottom line is that Israel could do anything to anyone for any reason, and you would accept that because of the Bible... Am I reading your position correctly? 6 minutes ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said: Isreal has blood on its hands just like Palestine. Nobody can remove them forcefully so they stay. Islam wants to eradicate Isreal so this conflict will never end unless one is eliminated. The question was, would Jesus approve?
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted August 27 Posted August 27 4 minutes ago, Wolfgang said: I think Jesus would have a major problem with Israel right now... 1) What does the Bible say about enemies of Israel? 2) I didn't ask what Jesus thinks. I asked what people think Jesus' position would be. This is no more argumentative than C section's Alligator Alcatraz thread that is up to 5 pages. 3) I'm not frustrated at all. You are projecting. Bottom line is that Israel could do anything to anyone for any reason, and you would accept that because of the Bible... Am I reading your position correctly? The question was, would Jesus approve? How the ***** would I know? Is Isreal more to blame than hamas?
Wolfgang Posted August 27 Author Posted August 27 1 minute ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said: How the ***** would I know? Is Isreal more to blame than hamas? The Mossad created Hamas to ensure that there would never be a two state solution... You are witnessing that endgame... Geo-politics isn't checkers...
thenorthremembers Posted August 27 Posted August 27 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Wolfgang said: I think Jesus would have a major problem with Israel right now... 1) What does the Bible say about enemies of Israel? 2) I didn't ask what Jesus thinks. I asked what people think Jesus' position would be. This is no more argumentative than C section's Alligator Alcatraz thread that is up to 5 pages. 3) I'm not frustrated at all. You are projecting. Bottom line is that Israel could do anything to anyone for any reason, and you would accept that because of the Bible... Am I reading your position correctly? The question was, would Jesus approve? Not projecting in the least, just pointing out what you're really after. Just be honest about your intention. Predictably I think you're trying to outsmart Christians by asking how we can support violence when Jesus is supposed to be a God of peace and love. The problem with that is Jesus is also a God of righteous anger. As a Christian I believe the Bible is the living word of God. And the Bible makes its stance on the enemies of Israel very clear. Or as you pose it "Would Jesus Like Israel's Campaign Against Palestine." To answer your question, yes. Jesus was there when God sent plagues against the people of Egypt. Maybe if Hamas was more up on their Bible they would have known this was coming. You ask if "Israel could do anything to anyone for any reason, and you would accept that because of the Bible?" I dont have to accept what Israel is doing. The ways of the creator of the Universe are beyond me. I will likely never fully understand the plan. I detest the suffering of children. But is Israel not supposed to defend itself? “I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you.” – Genesis 12:3 “So do not fear, for I am with you; do not be dismayed, for I am your God. I will strengthen you and help you; I will uphold you with my righteous right hand.” – Isaiah 41:10 “For this is what the Lord Almighty says: ‘After the glorious one has sent me against the nations that have plundered you— for whoever touches you touches the apple of his eye.'” – Zechariah 2:8 “No weapon forged against you will prevail, and you will refute every tongue that accuses you. This is the heritage of the servants of the Lord, and this is their vindication from me,” declares the Lord. – Isaiah 54:17 “So pursue them with your tempest and terrify them with your storm.” – Psalm 83:15 “For the nation or kingdom that will not serve you will perish; it will be utterly ruined.” – Isaiah 60:12 “I will gather all nations and bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat; there I will put them on trial for what they did to my inheritance, my people Israel, because they scattered my people among the nations and divided up my land.” – Joel 3:2 “This is the plague with which the Lord will strike all the nations that fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh will rot while they are still standing on their feet; their eyes will rot in their sockets, and their tongues will rot in their mouths.” – Zechariah 14:12 Edited August 27 by thenorthremembers 1 1
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted August 27 Posted August 27 40 minutes ago, Wolfgang said: The Mossad created Hamas to ensure that there would never be a two state solution... You are witnessing that endgame... Geo-politics isn't checkers... The founding of Hamas Hamas was founded in 1987 by Sheikh Ahmed Yassin as an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood in the Gaza Strip during the first Intifada. Its goal was to create an Islamic state in historic Palestine, leading it to oppose the secular Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO). Israeli support for Hamas The claim that Israel created Hamas is more nuanced. While Mossad did not create the group, Israel did support Hamas's early growth as a counterweight to the more powerful and secular PLO. 1 1
Wolfgang Posted August 27 Author Posted August 27 17 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: Not projecting in the least, just pointing out what you're really after. Just be honest about your intention. Predictably I think you're trying to outsmart Christians by asking how we can support violence when Jesus is supposed to be a God of peace and love. The problem with that is Jesus is also a God of righteous anger. As a Christian I believe the Bible is the living word of God. And the Bible makes its stance on the enemies of Israel very clear. Or as you pose it "Would Jesus Like Israel's Campaign Against Palestine." To answer your question, yes. Jesus was there when God sent plagues against the people of Egypt. Maybe if Hamas was more up on their Bible they would have known this was coming. You ask if "Israel could do anything to anyone for any reason, and you would accept that because of the Bible?" I dont have to accept what Israel is doing. The ways of the creator of the Universe are beyond me. I will likely never fully understand the plan. I detest the suffering of children. But is Israel not supposed to defend itself? “I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you.” – Genesis 12:3 “So do not fear, for I am with you; do not be dismayed, for I am your God. I will strengthen you and help you; I will uphold you with my righteous right hand.” – Isaiah 41:10 “For this is what the Lord Almighty says: ‘After the glorious one has sent me against the nations that have plundered you— for whoever touches you touches the apple of his eye.'” – Zechariah 2:8 “No weapon forged against you will prevail, and you will refute every tongue that accuses you. This is the heritage of the servants of the Lord, and this is their vindication from me,” declares the Lord. – Isaiah 54:17 “So pursue them with your tempest and terrify them with your storm.” – Psalm 83:15 “For the nation or kingdom that will not serve you will perish; it will be utterly ruined.” – Isaiah 60:12 “I will gather all nations and bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat; there I will put them on trial for what they did to my inheritance, my people Israel, because they scattered my people among the nations and divided up my land.” – Joel 3:2 “This is the plague with which the Lord will strike all the nations that fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh will rot while they are still standing on their feet; their eyes will rot in their sockets, and their tongues will rot in their mouths.” – Zechariah 14:12 You condone ethnic cleansing because the Bible condones it in the name of Israel... I get it... You have never really examined the morality of what you read... How can you be sure that the true God would condone ethnic cleansing? You assume that Jesus was there... But men, not gods, wrote the Bible... Your morality can be bought and sold at a book store... Have a nice day... Moving on... 1
Wolfgang Posted August 27 Author Posted August 27 10 minutes ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said: The founding of Hamas Hamas was founded in 1987 by Sheikh Ahmed Yassin as an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood in the Gaza Strip during the first Intifada. Its goal was to create an Islamic state in historic Palestine, leading it to oppose the secular Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO). Israeli support for Hamas The claim that Israel created Hamas is more nuanced. While Mossad did not create the group, Israel did support Hamas's early growth as a counterweight to the more powerful and secular PLO. And your source? What you have presented is simply false... I suppose Israel standing down their defenses for 8 hours was just a coincidence on 10/7... One good thing... If people are cool with Israel's actions over the past few years... Then I hope people are smart enough to stand back and not judge too harshly what the USA is about to do over the next 10 years to its true enemies...
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted August 27 Posted August 27 2 minutes ago, Wolfgang said: And your source? What you have presented is simply false... I suppose Israel standing down their defenses for 8 hours was just a coincidence on 10/7... One good thing... If people are cool with Israel's actions over the past few years... Then I hope people are smart enough to stand back and not judge too harshly what the USA is about to do over the next 10 years to its true enemies... Google ai. Seems like you have an axe to grind. What's your source?
Walking Tall Posted August 27 Posted August 27 All I know is God has both punished and protected Israel. Many times God interceded and destroyed Israel’s enemies. This appears to be one of those times. 1
Wolfgang Posted August 27 Author Posted August 27 3 minutes ago, B-Man said: It is your thread. I am simply done interacting with that guy... I'm seeing a pattern of religious/ideological indoctrination that yields a consistent theme... Genocide and ethnic cleansing are justified if my Holy Book condones it... All 3 major religions have this justification baked into their hearts and minds... And I am to believe that any of them are of a TRUE God... I am in fact a Christian... One that believes in excruciating self-examination of moral decisions... How we draw the "moral" conclusions that we do... I have read the Bible enough to know that the treachery of man has crept into its passages... There is nothing moral or ethical about creating political scenarios that yield genocide...
The Frankish Reich Posted August 27 Posted August 27 Whether or not there is any type of god I'm not supposed to say; And today, I don't really care. God is a word, and the argument ends there. - Bill Callahan, feeling much the way I feel today
Wolfgang Posted August 27 Author Posted August 27 2 minutes ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said: Google ai. Seems like you have an axe to grind. What's your source? Google AI? Well, Google AI does of course know everything... What did Google AI reference as its source material... 7 minutes ago, Walking Tall said: All I know is God has both punished and protected Israel. Many times God interceded and destroyed Israel’s enemies. This appears to be one of those times. God? Stories written by men? Correct? How do you really know that God was involved?
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