AlBUNDY4TDS Posted September 9 Posted September 9 2 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: I went to Ireland a couple times as a kid. I'm from an Irish American family, and my dad had that typical desire to see where his people came from. I'm talking the mid-late 70s here. Basically half a century ago. It was striking how poor it was. Horse drawn dairy carts going down the streets of Limerick. Men dressed like something out of a 1950s Irish countryside movie. Dreary, old, seemingly stuck in the past. It was fascinating for me as a kid, but I also understood why the hell people would do anything to get to America. (Much like a lot of other people today.) There's now basically zero illegal immigration from Ireland to the USA. There's probably a net out-migration. Ireland is wealthy. It is a lot more like America. I went back a few years ago. Dublin is booming with new business and immigrants from all over the world. Lots on tech company visas, lots from now-poorer EU/Schengen countries working in the bars and hospitality, and somewhat smaller numbers from developing countries working as manual workers. It is not as interesting to a standard American like me as it was 50 years ago, but that's because it is in all material ways better and more like us. Ireland made a bargain to give up some of what made it particularly "Irish" in exchange for material things. It's less ethnically Irish, far, far less Catholic, far far far more open. I do see that there was something that was lost, and I imagine that's behind some of the nostalgia and fear. Yes, crime is real and maybe it was a bit too much too soon for what was previously an extremely insular society. But joining the rest of the world economy has overall been a tremendous benefit for Ireland and its people. We need to remember that too even as they debate whether some things need to be tweaked. Thanks for the insight. 1
Roundybout Posted September 9 Posted September 9 15 minutes ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said: Stop importing problems. Why don't middle eastern countries take in any of these able bodied males? It's not hard. Why would you want to live in Yemen over Ireland?
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted September 9 Posted September 9 Just now, Roundybout said: Why would you want to live in Yemen over Ireland? Total cop out lol.
Roundybout Posted September 9 Posted September 9 4 minutes ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said: Total cop out lol. It’s not a cop out. Ireland is a first world nation with the capacity to provide a healthy environment. Yemen is not.
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted September 9 Posted September 9 3 minutes ago, Roundybout said: It’s not a cop out. Ireland is a first world nation with the capacity to provide a healthy environment. Yemen is not. Yeah Europe isn't dealing with any fallout over immigration correct? A healthy environment at the expense of the local population. Nice. 1
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