jimshiz Posted June 8, 2005 Share Posted June 8, 2005 And these stories restore my faith that I have been and always will be on the "right side of politics" (if I really have to choose sides): http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?...&type=printable http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...0800650_pf.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted June 8, 2005 Share Posted June 8, 2005 Again, this is about the internal struggle in the Democratic party between mobilizing the base and extending their appeal. "I think this country has a purple heart, not a red heart or a blue heart," Biden said. "If we can't bring this (country) together, man, boy, we're really in deep trouble." vs Dean's remarks are an example of why the former Vermont governor, who remains popular with the party's grass roots, has been a lightning rod for criticism since being elected to head the Democratic National Committee in February. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted June 8, 2005 Share Posted June 8, 2005 Again, this is about the internal struggle in the Democratic party between mobilizing the base and extending their appeal. "I think this country has a purple heart, not a red heart or a blue heart," Biden said. "If we can't bring this (country) together, man, boy, we're really in deep trouble." vs Dean's remarks are an example of why the former Vermont governor, who remains popular with the party's grass roots, has been a lightning rod for criticism since being elected to head the Democratic National Committee in February. 353612[/snapback] But, at what point is the grass-roots effort harmed by prominent figures within the DNC stating: Biden: "He does not speak for the Party" and "the rhetoric is counterproductive." Bill Richardson: He does not speak for the party. Edwards: "He does not speak for the Party." He will eventually get to the point of diminishing returns, where this type of rhetoric causes Dean to be so distanced from the Party that he is overwhelmingly dismissed. Things are moving in that direction and Dean shows no signs of slowing down. In the long run, it will be a problem for the Democrats, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverNRed Posted June 8, 2005 Share Posted June 8, 2005 Howard Dean is the gift that keeps on giving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted June 9, 2005 Share Posted June 9, 2005 But, at what point is the grass-roots effort harmed by prominent figures within the DNC stating: Biden: "He does not speak for the Party" and "the rhetoric is counterproductive." Bill Richardson: He does not speak for the party. Edwards: "He does not speak for the Party." He will eventually get to the point of diminishing returns, where this type of rhetoric causes Dean to be so distanced from the Party that he is overwhelmingly dismissed. Things are moving in that direction and Dean shows no signs of slowing down. In the long run, it will be a problem for the Democrats, IMO. 353630[/snapback] Yeah, thats the thing. I *think* that he's trying to be outlandish at first, and he'll start backing off soon. Then again, he is one crazy mother!@#$a, so he might not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted June 9, 2005 Share Posted June 9, 2005 Yeah, thats the thing. I *think* that he's trying to be outlandish at first, and he'll start backing off soon. Then again, he is one crazy mother!@#$a, so he might not. 354062[/snapback] Right now, he has said that he has no intentions of backing off. We shall see... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman's Helmet Posted June 9, 2005 Share Posted June 9, 2005 Way to go Howie, alienate the MAJORITY of this country. Keep up the good work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted June 9, 2005 Share Posted June 9, 2005 Mainstream Democrats need to take their party back from Dean and MoveOn.org Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted June 9, 2005 Share Posted June 9, 2005 Mainstream Democrats need to take their party back from Dean and MoveOn.org 354219[/snapback] I will always love that moveon.org commercial with the kids working off the debt. Of course the Republicowards couldn't deal with the truth of that ad. now THIS is a political commercial Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted June 9, 2005 Share Posted June 9, 2005 I will always love that moveon.org commercial with the kids working off the debt. Of course the Republicowards couldn't deal with the truth of that ad. now THIS is a political commercial 354255[/snapback] It's just too bad it was "Bush in 30 seconds" when it should have been "Government in 30 seconds." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverNRed Posted June 9, 2005 Share Posted June 9, 2005 I will always love that moveon.org commercial with the kids working off the debt. Of course the Republicowards couldn't deal with the truth of that ad. now THIS is a political commercial 354255[/snapback] "Republicowards"? Howard Dean, is that you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnTheRocks Posted June 9, 2005 Share Posted June 9, 2005 Mainstream Democrats need to take their party back from Dean and MoveOn.org 354219[/snapback] i honeslty don't know the answer to this question....but who are the "mainstream democrats"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted June 9, 2005 Share Posted June 9, 2005 "Republicowards"? Howard Dean, is that you? 354278[/snapback] The truth hurts. Campaign like Libertarians, spend like Liberals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted June 9, 2005 Share Posted June 9, 2005 i honeslty don't know the answer to this question....but who are the "mainstream democrats"? 354335[/snapback] People like my dad. Wife and kids, household pet, union member, middle class, mortgage, retired, suburban, average american types Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverNRed Posted June 9, 2005 Share Posted June 9, 2005 The truth hurts. Campaign like Libertarians, spend like Liberals. 354381[/snapback] AD, that's a silly thing to say when we're just a few tax increases away from a perfect society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted June 9, 2005 Share Posted June 9, 2005 AD, that's a silly thing to say when we're just a few tax increases away from a perfect society. 354385[/snapback] The solution will never be to give the government more money, that's for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Campy Posted June 9, 2005 Share Posted June 9, 2005 Campaign like Libertarians, spend like Liberals. 354381[/snapback] But if my guy does it, it's OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RkFast Posted June 9, 2005 Share Posted June 9, 2005 But if my guy does it, it's OK. 354390[/snapback] That's one of the primary tenets of Politics....whats wrong with you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted June 9, 2005 Share Posted June 9, 2005 "Republicowards"? Howard Dean, is that you? 354278[/snapback] I'm not head of either party, but the Republicans are a spineless bunch when it comes to money. Spend, spend, spend is their motto. The Republicans can attack the Dems on spending all they want, but right now, the Republicans are in power, and doing nothing of substance to reduce spending. {making me mental... must stop coming here} Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich in Ohio Posted June 9, 2005 Share Posted June 9, 2005 Reading thru some of the posts in this thread I fail to see any comments on what is the true heart of this issue. That is the fact that what he said is racist. Why has no one called him on this? If that had been the RNC leader and he made a comment that the democrate party has a high percentage of black people and they all look the same, and they all eat watermelon the earths rotation would be halted and his white ass thrown overboard. Bottom line is that we all know dean is a fool, but this is really getting totally out of control. Saying things like that have zero value to anyone. And for you assmonkeys who will once again make the case that he is just whipping up the base you need to take a really hard look at what type of base needs such ignorant rhetoric to whip them up. Perhaps if they had some well laid out ideas and or some common sense leaders they would not need to be lathered up for the fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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