TakeYouToTasker Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 2 hours ago, Capco said: I'm so glad there's not been any child labor in the world for the past 100 years. All thanks to capitalism (and not science or technology, of course; neither can exist without the foundation that is capitalism). Are you making the argument that all nations are equally technologically and economically advanced as the United States? Or are you making the argument that technological and economic advancement haven’t drastically reduced global dependence on child labor over the course of the last century? Or perhaps it‘s some ultra dopey Voltron of both of those poorly reasoned arguments? And yes, innovation encompasses technology and science, which are both permitted to exist, driven by capitalism. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality Check Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 1 hour ago, SectionC3 said: Had to reach back in time to find a photo of some dark-skinned children with assault weapons. No undertones of racism there whatsoever! Looks like you have a nasty case of SC3 Derangement Syndrome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted September 4, 2020 Author Share Posted September 4, 2020 1 hour ago, SectionC3 said: Had to reach back in time to find a photo of some dark-skinned children with assault weapons. No undertones of racism there whatsoever! Looks like you have a nasty case of SC3 Derangement Syndrome! What, because I post pictures of the South Side Training Camp in Chicago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 4 hours ago, Capco said: "Americans are often stereotyped as arrogant people. They are frequently depicted in foreign media as excessively nationalistic and obnoxiously patriotic, believing the U.S. is better than all other countries and patronizing foreigners." ...and? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capco Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, TakeYouToTasker said: Are you making the argument that all nations are equally technologically and economically advanced as the United States? Or are you making the argument that technological and economic advancement haven’t drastically reduced global dependence on child labor over the course of the last century? Or perhaps it‘s some ultra dopey Voltron of both of those poorly reasoned arguments? And yes, innovation encompasses technology and science, which are both permitted to exist, driven by capitalism. You do realize how much of our clothing, electronics and other products, produced by companies headquartered in some 1st world nation, come from sweatshops in 2nd/3rd world countries with minors working there, with far more innovation and technology than were present 100 years ago, don't you? https://theowp.org/reports/child-labour-shameful-reality-21st-century/ Child labor laws in the US have just driven American companies to obtain their child labor in countries that either have no/fewer laws preventing the use of child labor, or haven't the means to widely enforce the laws they do have. The desire to make money is still the driving force behind child labor to this day. However, the desire to make money is certainly not the only driver of innovation, although it can be a big part of it and as such I believe it must be balanced with the other drives in people's lives. Insatiable greed is what leads to things like child labor in a world of abundance. We aren't meant to just seek out money and nothing else; it isn't our only motivation in life or even the most powerful one. Trying to argue that child labor laws were not only unnecessary but also harmful is as ludicrous as it is stupid. If that were true then apparently you are a proponent of the removal of child labor laws as an unnecessary regulation (maybe because it is strangling free trade?). To your point, the drafting of child labor laws was maybe harmful in the sense that capitalism was the driving force behind families having to put their children to work in the first place. The do-or-die nature of unregulated capitalism, particularly the Gilded Age preceding the Progressive Era, when there were very few (if any) of social safety nets and labor laws that we have today, is what hurt those who were consumed by its insatiable greed until it was finally (although not completely) reined in. You see, no children get left on the street when there are publicly funded programs in place to take care of people who are down on their luck. Instead of "do or die," I prefer the phrase "The playing field is even: do well or don't do well. The choice is yours." Edited September 5, 2020 by Capco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 All this talk of this causing urban centers to pack up their tents is very interesting. When I lived in the Bay Area just the opposite was all the rage. Urban centers where people lived and worked. It was going to be UTOPIA!! Hey lefty cities!! What happened to this great idea you had? You shot it all to hell! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capco Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 4 hours ago, Koko78 said: ...and? Haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted September 5, 2020 Author Share Posted September 5, 2020 11 hours ago, Chef Jim said: All this talk of this causing urban centers to pack up their tents is very interesting. When I lived in the Bay Area just the opposite was all the rage. Urban centers where people lived and worked. It was going to be UTOPIA!! Hey lefty cities!! What happened to this great idea you had? You shot it all to hell! There aren't enough parking spaces for cars in the cities thus limiting the places where the new occupants canshiton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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