CentralVaBills Posted April 8, 2005 Share Posted April 8, 2005 Ok, I can't take it anymore. It's clique, not click... def: clique - a narrow exclusive circle or group of persons; def: click - to strike, move, or produce with a click Sorry, it was driving me nuts. CW 299276[/snapback] LOL, this is the best part about this thread. For the life of me, I couldn't think of clique, and even almost spelled it cliche. lol So, I just went with click, cuz I knew everyone would understand. This was seriously bugging me, so thanks! I'm not kidding! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Mexico Posted April 8, 2005 Share Posted April 8, 2005 My kid had a coach that completely turned him off from football. He had started in three seasons before he went to high school always on defensive line. He went out for freshman team and surprisingly he was a made a starter as an offensive guard. The first two games were fine, the team won and everything was fine. The head coach loved him, but the offensive line coach was a nutbag. The guy was high strung and very vocal. There were games where the head coach would spend time calming down the offensive line coach. We were even penalized for unsportsman like conduct based on this guys yapping. He would ride all the guys, not just mine, but he would really rip these kids. One day my son came home from practice and said he was demoted, I didn't get upset, and my son was not pissed since the pressure was off him for a week. At the pre-game they are going through the plays and walk throughs, I see the nutbag coach looking over his notes and then he calls out my kids name and says, "you're starting"! I felt kinda relieved, but then I thought about the other kid, who since Tuesday has been thinking he was the starter. My kid played the whole game, came out for maybe two plays. The remainder of the season pretty much went the same way, benched tuesday, or wednesday, but come saturday he is starting. The kid was on a rollercoaster. All he had to look forward to was that when he got to JV he would be free from this guy. Fast forward to next season. When he went to the first practice, there is nutbag, waiting for his line from last year, he had been promoted. My kid went through the first practice, and it was his last, he never went back knowing that this guy would be on him a whole nother season. I mentioned it to someone else, they said the guy was the a decent guy, but that's the only way he knows how to motivate, I was pissed because I really enjoyed watching him play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txbillsjunkie Posted April 8, 2005 Share Posted April 8, 2005 . The head coach loved him, but the offensive line coach was a nutbag. The guy was high strung and very vocal. There were games where the head coach would spend time calming down the offensive line coach. We were even penalized for unsportsman like conduct based on this guys yapping. He would ride all the guys, not just mine, but he would really rip these kids. 299282[/snapback] Carl Mauck ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarthur31 Posted April 8, 2005 Share Posted April 8, 2005 Yes, but if those parents stopped playing video games, then the violence in the country would decrease because video games are the root of all evil. CW 298867[/snapback] [/sarcasm]. I still love ya man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 8, 2005 Share Posted April 8, 2005 I got to thinking about this after I went home..... I really dont want to sound like a complete nutcase.....I just care about my kids and so this is a sore spot with me....I am the same way with my daughter and her singing.....at 9 years old the girl can sing the national anthem better then a lot of people you see on TV....yet she has a music teacher that bitches about her every chance she gets because she is a daydreamer and should be singing music "closer to her age"....she sang the theme song to Titanic at one of her grandfathers church events the other day that would bring tears to your eyes.....she looks and sings like an angel..... Oh...back to youth football jerkoff coaches..... The two things above all else that get my hair up..... - All of the kids....ALL OF THE KIDS....pay the exact same amount to the league (and it isn't cheap) to be able to play JAAF football...it is even more expensive for Pop Warner......I for the life of me dont see how these coaches get away with playing their kids the whole game and other kids 2 friggen plays.....especially given the work that is involved for all the kids. Practices are 4 days a week two hours a day. A parent must be there in case their kid gets hurt (amazing how the click...I mean Cliche.....i mean... manage to get together to trade off being their for ALL that group of kids...... The other thing is.....we live in fricken Southern California were it gets HOT.....I can name at least 4 games out of our schedule where my son was telling me afterwards their were kids complaining about the heat on the field and wanting to come off for a rest.....WTF In my opinion these coaches were just paranoid that if they let their kid off the field...the backup would do just as well or better........that sounds horrible....but I beleive it to be the truth...... Anyway....my kid is taking one more stab at it.....he has worked his tail off to get stronger and faster I just hope that he has a good experience this year....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TracyLee Posted April 8, 2005 Share Posted April 8, 2005 I got to thinking about this after I went home..... I really dont want to sound like a complete nutcase.....I just care about my kids and so this is a sore spot with me....I am the same way with my daughter and her singing.....at 9 years old the girl can sing the national anthem better then a lot of people you see on TV....yet she has a music teacher that bitches about her every chance she gets because she is a daydreamer and should be singing music "closer to her age"....she sang the theme song to Titanic at one of her grandfathers church events the other day that would bring tears to your eyes.....she looks and sings like an angel..... Oh...back to youth football jerkoff coaches..... The two things above all else that get my hair up..... - All of the kids....ALL OF THE KIDS....pay the exact same amount to the league (and it isn't cheap) to be able to play JAAF football...it is even more expensive for Pop Warner......I for the life of me dont see how these coaches get away with playing their kids the whole game and other kids 2 friggen plays.....especially given the work that is involved for all the kids. Practices are 4 days a week two hours a day. A parent must be there in case their kid gets hurt (amazing how the click...I mean Cliche.....i mean... manage to get together to trade off being their for ALL that group of kids...... The other thing is.....we live in fricken Southern California were it gets HOT.....I can name at least 4 games out of our schedule where my son was telling me afterwards their were kids complaining about the heat on the field and wanting to come off for a rest.....WTF In my opinion these coaches were just paranoid that if they let their kid off the field...the backup would do just as well or better........that sounds horrible....but I beleive it to be the truth...... Anyway....my kid is taking one more stab at it.....he has worked his tail off to get stronger and faster I just hope that he has a good experience this year....... 299379[/snapback] Who ever said "it's supposed to be for fun" is lying thru their teeth! I've seen parents who lose their cool and freak out at the coach (oftentimes justifiably) only to have their kid ultimately pay the price with even less playing time. I've seen firsthand how some coaches won't pick a particular kid at tryouts (no matter how good he is) simply because of the parents. It pays to bite your tongue in the long run, lest you get a reputation for being 'difficult', and your kid is the one who suffers.. If I'm not mistaken, I believe that they are only required to give each kid a minimum of two plays. It's awful I know, but I think that's how it is in my step-son's little loop football league. As far as the money you invest (and I can tell you I'd be living in a bigger house if my son didn't play hockey year round!), it's all about winning with most coaches. They have extremely large egos. In hockey, a third or fourth liner isn't going to get nearly as much icetime as a first or second liner. Doesn't mean they get to pay less. There is no such thing as equal time for all players. Besides you're not going to be thinking about how much it all cost in 20 years when you're looking at his football pictures. I'm glad he's not giving up, and I hope you'll get a better coach this time around. My son had a horrible travel coach last year and the year before, and came within a hair of walking away from hockey for good. He gave it another shot when he tried out for high school and all it took was one good coach to turn it around for him. Now it's all he talks about. It doesn't get easier as they get older. It gets more competitive. What I tell my son is just to do the very best he can and to treat his position like it's his job and give 110% every time he steps on the ice because there will always be someone coming up behind him and trying to take his job, especially in high school. I think it stopped being about "fun" when he was about 8 years old! But hey, there's no place else I'd rather be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 8, 2005 Share Posted April 8, 2005 Who ever said "it's supposed to be for fun" is lying thru their teeth! I've seen parents who lose their cool and freak out at the coach (oftentimes justifiably) only to have their kid ultimately pay the price with even less playing time. I've seen firsthand how some coaches won't pick a particular kid at tryouts (no matter how good he is) simply because of the parents. It pays to bite your tongue in the long run, lest you get a reputation for being 'difficult', and your kid is the one who suffers.. If I'm not mistaken, I believe that they are only required to give each kid a minimum of two plays. It's awful I know, but I think that's how it is in my step-son's little loop football league. As far as the money you invest (and I can tell you I'd be living in a bigger house if my son didn't play hockey year round!), it's all about winning with most coaches. They have extremely large egos. In hockey, a third or fourth liner isn't going to get nearly as much icetime as a first or second liner. Doesn't mean they get to pay less. There is no such thing as equal time for all players. Besides you're not going to be thinking about how much it all cost in 20 years when you're looking at his football pictures. I'm glad he's not giving up, and I hope you'll get a better coach this time around. My son had a horrible travel coach last year and the year before, and came within a hair of walking away from hockey for good. He gave it another shot when he tried out for high school and all it took was one good coach to turn it around for him. Now it's all he talks about. It doesn't get easier as they get older. It gets more competitive. What I tell my son is just to do the very best he can and to treat his position like it's his job and give 110% every time he steps on the ice because there will always be someone coming up behind him and trying to take his job, especially in high school. I think it stopped being about "fun" when he was about 8 years old! But hey, there's no place else I'd rather be. 299526[/snapback] We do have some hope for this season......the coaches that wanted to draft him last year to play center (and were told they would have to give up the starting running back to get a transfer...can you BELIEVE that?) will be the coaches for this years Midget team. These guys also go to the same gym I do....and they see my son in there working out with me and have stopped to talk to us loving the dedication he is showing. Regarding the 2 play rule.....I personally think that the 2 play rule is abused. I think that is meant for either a. Kids that are not showing discipline, not listening, or not showing up for practice or b Kids that are not ready to step on the field without getting hurt. And there always seem to be some every year. I dont think that 2 play rule should be made in order to say....OK....the coaches kids have played 3 quarters and 5 minutes......lets throw everyone else out there now and make sure they get their plays....I think that is absolute crap. The other question I have in that situation is what do you do as a coach should one of your kids get hurt? You haven't coached anyone up to play behind them because they are counting butterflies over on the bench........ When my son was starting....(and this seems like a long time ago even though it was only the year before last) if we had a lead he would go over to the coach and say he was tired and could he play his backup....which the coach obliged with no retribution. He didn't have to worry about losing his starting spot because the coach knew damn well he wasn't really tired...just a good team player..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Tate Posted April 8, 2005 Share Posted April 8, 2005 Who ever said "it's supposed to be for fun" is lying thru their teeth! It's supposed to be fun for the kids, even if the parents don't like it. Some of these stories remind me of why I quit playing organized sports when I was young. I experienced all of the same issues on my teams; those never change. Those things didn't bother me so much, if and when they happened. I got over it and enjoyed what I could of the rest. The reason I quit was because a parent made it such a miserable fuggin experience that it was no longer fun. It's not a job, it's a game your kids play. Some folks appear to believe they're managing a professional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USMCBillsFan Posted April 8, 2005 Share Posted April 8, 2005 Yes, but if those parents stopped playing video games, then the violence in the country would decrease because video games are the root of all evil. CW 298867[/snapback] That's interesting Fez because I was thinking about that the other day when I was watching the Looney Toons on Cartoon Networks Boomerang. ( I love that station, all the classic cartoons from my childhood) One thing that was interesting to me is that all this violence is blamed on tv and video games. We didn't have these problems when I was growing up and the cartoons were just as bad or worse. Watch Elmer Fudd and how many times he shoots Bugs Bunny or Yosimite Sam. Bullets are always flying and nobody gets hurt. Look at the Roadrunner and Wile E. Coyote.... I think the violence was very bad then but we were taught right from wrong and the differences between tv and reality. Sorry for the rant but Fez's line made me think of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 8, 2005 Share Posted April 8, 2005 It's supposed to be fun for the kids, even if the parents don't like it. Some of these stories remind me of why I quit playing organized sports when I was young. I experienced all of the same issues on my teams; those never change. Those things didn't bother me so much, if and when they happened. I got over it and enjoyed what I could of the rest. The reason I quit was because a parent made it such a miserable fuggin experience that it was no longer fun. It's not a job, it's a game your kids play. Some folks appear to believe they're managing a professional. 299795[/snapback] CAWingnut.... You wouldnt believe the manuvering and politics that goes on behind the scenes on this stuff either..... I remember my sons second year.....the QB of last years team (the unbenchable one) was also on that team. The coach we had that year was a good one....and everyone played. But he wanted to have 2 QB's to do different "situational" things instead of letting this kid start. His parents through a fit (one of them is now a asst coach that seems to sneak onto all these teams) and they basically broke all the rules regarding parent conduct and started browbeating the coach on the field after practice..... The coach was honest with them....he said that while there son had some mobility he was not a very good decision maker at that point and he had real durability issues (meaning he got hurt on every hit) so what they wanted to do was pair him up with another QB who was smaller, a good arm, tough, and basically didn't scream at his offensive line after every play. The parents were furious.....and even though he did get that team to the playoffs with everyone having a role he was not asked back the following year.... This made me angry.....I liked that coach...he was tough but fair.....kinda looked like a hispanic Bill Cowher....... My son moved on to the Div 1 group at the next level.....the QB went to the Div II....and from what I heard his parents basically took over the team. Didn't bother me then because we didn't have to deal with it....UNTIL the following year when he showed up on our team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Tate Posted April 8, 2005 Share Posted April 8, 2005 CAWingnut.... You wouldnt believe the manuvering and politics that goes on behind the scenes on this stuff either..... I remember my sons second year ... The coach we had that year ... This made me angry ... I liked that coach ... from what I heard his parents basically took over the team ... Didn't bother me then because we didn't have to deal with it ... UNTIL the following year when he showed up on our team. Oh, I believe it. Like I said, it's always gone on, and always will. My point was I was still able to enjoy myself playing the game. I guess I should have been more specific in my first post about a parent making it a miserable experience. It was one of my parents, not someone else's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gantrules Posted April 8, 2005 Share Posted April 8, 2005 The simple answer? Don't allow coaches to have their children on their teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gantrules Posted April 8, 2005 Share Posted April 8, 2005 My father was my assistant high school football coach. It sucked. I got ridden more than anyone else on the team because I knew he didn't want to come off as being easy on me and hard on anyone else. Yes, I started but we only had 25 players on my HS football team. A lot of us, including me, played both ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 8, 2005 Share Posted April 8, 2005 The simple answer? Don't allow coaches to have their children on their teams. 299856[/snapback] I TOTALLY agree.....and if our league came out with that rule and then approached me asking if I would still like to coach...then I would. I would just ask that I get moved to a team that doesn't conflict game times with my sons so I could watch his games..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 8, 2005 Share Posted April 8, 2005 My father was my assistant high school football coach. It sucked. I got ridden more than anyone else on the team because I knew he didn't want to come off as being easy on me and hard on anyone else. Yes, I started but we only had 25 players on my HS football team. A lot of us, including me, played both ways. 299862[/snapback] That is also a unfortunate side effect of having a parent coach you.....I have coached my sons basketball teams and I also have to restrain myself from being too critical on him...... Then you have the coaches that go entirely the other way and dont give a crap about what anyone else things. The QB I have been talking about and his father are prime examples. This coach has been literally kicked off of the staff on 2 of the teams I have played on.....yet always finds his way back into the group. The funny thing is that I have actually NEVER seen him coach....anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffOrange Posted April 8, 2005 Share Posted April 8, 2005 No offense here John but if your kid is that good, I've never seen a coach who wouldn't put that kid on the field. The way you talk, and I've seen you do this before, is that your kid seems to make some kind of spectacular play every time he's in the game or practice period. Red Flags go up here immediately. The seriousness that you take observing this kid at only a pee wee level is kind of disturbing. Most of the time, kids have no idea what they are doing, and are just running around crashing into each other. But you are actually explaining things he is doing like your breaking down an NFL show. #2, I probably think your kid is getting screwed, and that your view of your own kid is also off. So, the problem is somewhere in the middle most likely. Most likely, your kid is getting the shaft for not being in a click, and he's also not as good as you think he is. 299235[/snapback] I'm glad somebody posted this. I also don't discount the strong possibility that the kid might be getting screwed, but it's quite humorous/disturbing reading a serious post describing a pee-wee kid who does everything short of breaking down opponents' tendancies in the film room - and I think even that was hinted at during the "blitz pick-up" segment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TracyLee Posted April 8, 2005 Share Posted April 8, 2005 It's supposed to be fun for the kids, even if the parents don't like it. Some of these stories remind me of why I quit playing organized sports when I was young. I experienced all of the same issues on my teams; those never change. Those things didn't bother me so much, if and when they happened. I got over it and enjoyed what I could of the rest. The reason I quit was because a parent made it such a miserable fuggin experience that it was no longer fun. It's not a job, it's a game your kids play. Some folks appear to believe they're managing a professional. 299795[/snapback] Of course its fun, when you're happy in your situation, great memories are made and loads of fun can be had. But it can also be extremely serious, like when your team makes it to finals or advances to states. You don't see anyone on the bench laughing and joking. They're not having 'fun', they're dead serious, they're watching the clock and the score. They have a goal all season long and there's no greater joy than having something to play for at the end of the season. When they're playing for all the marbles and they win, its unbelievably awesome. If they lose, you'll see more than one kid standing there with tears streaming down his face. Losing is never fun, but thats a part of the game. You're right, it is a game but when you play a game and you're on a team, your 'position' becomes your 'job'. If you don't do your 'job' or if someone ese outplays you and does it better it's no longer 'your' job or your 'position'. Its survival of the fittest and it can be very cut-throat. It happens at all levels and not just to 'professionals'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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