San-O Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 From another thread praising TD, I figured equal time is fair. Of the currect depth chart I went through and determined of the players who would start, only 8 have been drafted by TD since coming here, and only 1 after the second round. Notice only 1 O-lineman: ============================================ J.P. Losman 1 Willis McGahee 1 Lee Evans 1 Mike Williams 1 Aaron Schobel 2 Chris Kelsay 2 Ron Edwards (Probably not a starter) 3 Terrence McGee 4 Nate Clements 1 ============================================ You TD supporters can try and spin this any way you like, however I believe this shows clearly TD has been unable to draft much quality after round 2. And this is not a Super Bowl team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevestojan Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 TD Sucks. J.P. Losman, Willis McGahee , Lee Evans , Mike Williams, Aaron Schobel, Chris Kelsay, Terrence McGee,Nate Clements. HOW MANY GM's Have that many playmakers FROM the 1st and 2nd round? After the first few rounds, its a crap shoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San-O Posted March 23, 2005 Author Share Posted March 23, 2005 TD Sucks. J.P. Losman, Willis McGahee , Lee Evans , Mike Williams, Aaron Schobel, Chris Kelsay, Terrence McGee,Nate Clements. HOW MANY GM's Have that many playmakers FROM the 1st and 2nd round? After the first few rounds, its a crap shoot. 284825[/snapback] Great, so we can draft 1st round starters. Congrats. Go ahead and start your own thread with starters AFTER the first two rounds! It'll be a short thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevestojan Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 Great, so we can draft 1st round starters. Congrats. Go ahead and start your own thread with starters AFTER the first two rounds! It'll be a short thread. 284834[/snapback] The point is, he has gotten GREAT talent out of the first two rounds. There are alot of GMs that haven't even done that. But since you want to rip on TD, please start a thread about ANY GM that has a ton of talent that he drafted past round 2. Sure, everyone will get lucky with one or two, but get frigging real. Man, some people just like to complain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajzepp Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 Great, so we can draft 1st round starters. Congrats. Go ahead and start your own thread with starters AFTER the first two rounds! It'll be a short thread. 284834[/snapback] Why don't you go find some teams who have done better and list them for us......then maybe your point will hold some water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San-O Posted March 23, 2005 Author Share Posted March 23, 2005 See thread title: Only One Starter Drafted After 2nd Round, Does anyone else find this startling? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevestojan Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 See thread title: Only One Starter Drafted After 2nd Round, Does anyone else find this startling? 284841[/snapback] Yeah, I saw it. Now go dig me up the names of all the other GMs who have drafted tons of talent from rounds 3-7... I'll be waiting here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 He also got us out of cap hell, signed London Fletcher, signed Sam Adams, signed Takeo Spikes, signed Troy Vincent, signed Jeff Posey, signed Troy Teague, signed Brian Moorman. Mcgee was a great find in the fourth round. Schobel, Kelsay, and Denney are all second rounders and 2 will be our starters this year. Not to mention he has hit homeruns on all his first round picks. TD has done a great job-although I am not happy about losing Pat and Jonas. I do think he is gonna pull off LJ Shelton and Baas for our line. The man knows what hes doing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San-O Posted March 23, 2005 Author Share Posted March 23, 2005 Why don't you go find some teams who have done better and list them for us......then maybe your point will hold some water. 284839[/snapback] Please READ the thread title. How many less than ONE can you have. You show me a team that hasn't drafted a starter after round two. Exclude SF, Lions and Bengals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajzepp Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 Yeah, I saw it. Now go dig me up the names of all the other GMs who have drafted tons of talent from rounds 3-7... I'll be waiting here. 284846[/snapback] And for any GMs he finds that HAVE just kicked asss in those rounds, also list their picks from the first two rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevestojan Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 You show me a team that hasn't drafted a starter after round two. 284849[/snapback] Show me one that's drafted 3 or more (with the same GM). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San-O Posted March 23, 2005 Author Share Posted March 23, 2005 Yeah, I saw it. Now go dig me up the names of all the other GMs who have drafted tons of talent from rounds 3-7... I'll be waiting here. 284846[/snapback] You can do that. I'm not asking the question, you are. And who said tons, how about more than one. Like two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffOrange Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 TD Sucks. J.P. Losman, Willis McGahee , Lee Evans , Mike Williams, Aaron Schobel, Chris Kelsay, Terrence McGee,Nate Clements. 284825[/snapback] OK honestly, Shouldn't the "mocking people who criticize member X of organization" routine be reserved for those who have AT LEAST a .500 record with the team? Especially over a time period of 4 years? Seriously - I can't tell you how ridiculous these posts look in print, regardless of how you feel about TD's ability as a GM. So, if you're going to defend him fine; but you have reason to be smug about it like a Cardinals fan has a reason to be arrogant. Nothing personal Steve - you're certainly not alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajzepp Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 He also got us out of cap hell, signed London Fletcher, signed Sam Adams, signed Takeo Spikes, signed Troy Vincent, signed Jeff Posey, signed Troy Teague, signed Brian Moorman. Mcgee was a great find in the fourth round. Schobel, Kelsay, and Denney are all second rounders and 2 will be our starters this year. Not to mention he has hit homeruns on all his first round picks. TD has done a great job-although I am not happy about losing Pat and Jonas. I do think he is gonna pull off LJ Shelton and Baas for our line. The man knows what hes doing 284847[/snapback] So did you see the Green Fairy or what, bro?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 Please READ the thread title. How many less than ONE can you have. You show me a team that hasn't drafted a starter after round two. Exclude SF, Lions and Bengals. 284849[/snapback] what the hell do you call Moorman? Mcgee? Schobel? Jennings? Kelsay? Cambell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevestojan Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 Shouldn't the "mocking people who criticize member X of organization" routine be reserved for those who have AT LEAST a .500 record with the team? 284860[/snapback] Not when you're talking about a GM... His job is to bring the talent to the team. He has done his job. Unfortunately he's a bit too old to throw, catch, run, etc, etc.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 So did you see the Green Fairy or what, bro?? 284861[/snapback] I have a funny video of me in Amsterdam I will email to you if you like. Its me showing off my stash to my buddy from the Heineken plant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajzepp Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 OK honestly,Shouldn't the "mocking people who criticize member X of organization" routine be reserved for those who have AT LEAST a .500 record with the team? Especially over a time period of 4 years? Seriously - I can't tell you how ridiculous these posts look in print, regardless of how you feel about TD's ability as a GM. So, if you're going to defend him fine; but you have reason to be smug about it like a Cardinals fan has a reason to be arrogant. Nothing personal Steve - you're certainly not alone. 284860[/snapback] No, cause Stojan and a whole bunch of other people on here are able to look at the big picture. No GM is perfect. TD is no happier about our record the past four years thanany of the rest of us. But he's not sitting around doing nothing.......he's reworking things, and will continue to rework them, until we have a winner. Those of you who just pick out one aspect of TDs tenure and blow it out of proportion don't have a clue.....sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jad1 Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 Another misleading thread. One could argue that plenty of post 2nd rounders would be starting for the Bills if Donahoe didn't sign strong FA talent. Crowell would be starting instead of Spikes, Wire instead of Milloy, Haggin instead of Fletcher, Stamer instead of Posey, Edwards instead of Adams. Point is, they don't have to start these guys because Donahoe has done an excellent job in aquiring talent in the draft and FA. And again, we're completely ignoring special teams here, which is a mistake, considering Donahoe has built the best ST unit in the league, largely through the draft. You'll find several post 2nd rounders starting on special teams. By the way, Jennings and McGee both started for the Bills last season, and both were taken after the 2nd round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San-O Posted March 23, 2005 Author Share Posted March 23, 2005 No, cause Stojan and a whole bunch of other people on here are able to look at the big picture. No GM is perfect. TD is no happier about our record the past four years thanany of the rest of us. But he's not sitting around doing nothing.......he's reworking things, and will continue to rework them, until we have a winner. Those of you who just pick out one aspect of TDs tenure and blow it out of proportion don't have a clue.....sorry. 284872[/snapback] ONE aspect? lol. How is this being blown out of proportion? It is what it is. One starter after round two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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