Thurman#1 Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 Would you take Michael Vick in his best rated year over Tyrod Taylor? If you would then I'd say Tyrod is capable.... in a year when the replacement options are far from exciting - Tyrod provides a middle of the pack option - the difference between QB 7-17 isn't a lot. And the price per cap is very respectable --- I've been torn but after further review I think keeping Tyrod is worth the risk, and a healthy offense may assist him in a return to 2015 levels or better. 2010 Vick vs 2015 Taylor - a wash The price - again - is $30.5 million if they keep him for only one year. That isn't reasonable, it just isn't. And yeah, the hit will be spread out a bit, but every penny of that $30.5 will hit the cap. The only way that looks reasonable is if you look ONLY at the 2016 cap, and doing that misses about half of the cap impact of keeping him for a year. Same for keeping him for two years. $40.5 mill, all told, all of which comes off the cap sooner or later. It's only when he gets to the fourth and fifth year of his contract that the whole thing begins to look reasonable. Till then, the impact is huge. As for Vick's best season, when people try to compare across history I always point out that it gets easier and easier to play QB as far as running up big numbers. In 2010, Vick was 4th in passer rating, 5th in YPA, 13th in completion percentage, and had 4 fourth quarter comebacks and three game-winning drives. If the rules had been the same as today's he'd likely have done better than his stats that year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneBuffalo1 Posted February 7, 2017 Author Share Posted February 7, 2017 Actually cap hit is only 2017 15.913 2018 16.78 201916.78 2020 17.78......therefore reasonable - The price - again - is $30.5 million if they keep him for only one year. That isn't reasonable, it just isn't. And yeah, the hit will be spread out a bit, but every penny of that $30.5 will hit the cap. The only way that looks reasonable is if you look ONLY at the 2016 cap, and doing that misses about half of the cap impact of keeping him for a year. Same for keeping him for two years. $40.5 mill, all told, all of which comes off the cap sooner or later. It's only when he gets to the fourth and fifth year of his contract that the whole thing begins to look reasonable. Till then, the impact is huge. As for Vick's best season, when people try to compare across history I always point out that it gets easier and easier to play QB as far as running up big numbers. In 2010, Vick was 4th in passer rating, 5th in YPA, 13th in completion percentage, and had 4 fourth quarter comebacks and three game-winning drives. If the rules had been the same as today's he'd likely have done better than his stats that year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 The fact you would call someone an idiot on a fan post speaks to your level of character... to disagree is perfectly acceptable, but your response offers no value. I haven't anytime for a person of your ilk Topic started not to support Vick, or TT for that matter-- more so to point out there are a lot of people who at the time would have clamored for Vick. Therefore the thread only points out if you had been a fan of Vick maybe you would take a moment to see that the state line isn't all that different... reason for the point... we are hard on TT because he's not elite - but he has comparable talent to previous QB's who were capable of being playoff caliber talent. That's all. Not standing on a soap box claiming either QB is the next hall of famer - just a comp for consideration Honestly, your post deserves no better than my initial response. Sure, I could waste my time pointing out the multitude of factual and conclusive errors that poorly thought out bit of blind homerism, but you're not interested in that. Vick was a considerably better QB than TT in almost every facet of his game. He wasn't a HOFer by any stretch, but TT isn't in his league. I'll leave it there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern Bills Fan Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 I say it in every Tyrod thread. It isn't always pretty but we score a lot of points and very rarely turn the ball over. We could do a lot worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneBuffalo1 Posted February 7, 2017 Author Share Posted February 7, 2017 Honestly, your post deserves no better than my initial response. Sure, I could waste my time pointing out the multitude of factual and conclusive errors that poorly thought out bit of blind homerism, but you're not interested in that. Vick was a considerably better QB than TT in almost every facet of his game. He wasn't a HOFer by any stretch, but TT isn't in his league. I'll leave it there. It doesn't deserve better because you don't agree? You know what I am interested in hearing? Or are you assuming? Is your opinion about Vick vs TT also based on assumption? Because Stats don't support that.... the average of Vick's 2 best years statistically vs average of TT only Two years as a starter.... VICK TT 243 Comp 256 398 ATT 408 61 Comp% 63 3161 Yards 3029 20 TD 19 93 Rating 95 63 QBR 68 632 RushYDS 574 5 Rush td 5 id say he isn't considerably better. So please- in the future, if you feel my post deserves the type of response you chose, just don't respond... Don't even read my posts if you don't care for my ideas. But if you do, please bring a little more of that factual and conclusive evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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