rumblefish Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 ah, Ralph is gone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max997 Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 He didn't look like he even belongs in the league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 (edited) I mean we drafted three guys who were all prospects. We brought in a FA. We had 4 returning guys who were good enough to run with last year. Chris Hairston is back and was serviceable. We had all these JJ Unga type guys that we loved at one time and then cut them because we had better guys. Jeez all I see is that we added talent to a decent line and then regressed! Who's fault is that? You guys Are onto something.Anybody know the name of the O Line coach or recognize him in a picture ? Its Pat Morris. I think he is an old school type. But the Man has been around and seen it all. This is a Marrone Guy. Very good point when just talking about stunts and passing off attackers. I might guess even though its a zone. Marrone and Morrris are very focused with hat on hat wins. I think its a team philosophy out to WR. I like the concept but the O line needs more finesse. Not Gailey ,Joe D style . Well maybe a little Chan/ Joe D ? If the center and guards cant get push off scrimmage, and they dont , get the quick and or wide stuff going. On the other hand Bills did not exactly ADD talent. Because its a theoretical still. C Williams got all injured right off and the LG position became a focal point quickly. Henderson is just a perfect balance of smarts and effort from the Bills staff. Lets see how the other rooks shake out in otas etc. Its up to the staff to develop them. That is one thing I have faith in actually. Regardless of the negatives the game day O line showed this year still holdin out hope for Cyril +1 and even Kujo- Edited December 17, 2014 by 3rdand12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Can Cyril Richardson become a solid guard for us? I read his draft bio and the knock was a bad body. Can he build up his strength and be a quality starter? If Cyril, kugo, or Chris Williams could become a quality, reliable starter that would free up draft and free agent needs. Or do we just need 3 new guards? If Marrone is this great offensive minded line coach & has put the right people in place to teach these guys then there should be no question about this guy ... Whaley & his guys have been lights out in finding good talent & i think this Cyril will be a good pick up he like Kugo just needs the coaches to coach them up , but if this staff isn't what some think it is (& i don't think it is) then these guys will go to another team & flourish & have great NFL careers ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 I agree. The thing I don't get the reason for shoving Richardson into the lineup so quickly when clearly Urbik was the better player. Usually teams develop young linemen by letting them cut their teeth on special teams where a misstep isn't nearly as critical. Then, it seems everyone is playing poorly, and getting penalties when they shouldn't be at this point in the season. The Rookie at RT looks to be playing somewhat well. I'm sure this has been said in a thread about Marrone or Hackett, but I don't think it's a coincidence that you have a D that is excellent because it uses the DC's system, and the O (and line) stinks, which is based on Marrone/Hackett system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 (edited) If Marrone is this great offensive minded line coach & has put the right people in place to teach these guys then there should be no question about this guy ... Whaley & his guys have been lights out in finding good talent & i think this Cyril will be a good pick up he like Kugo just needs the coaches to coach them up , but if this staff isn't what some think it is (& i don't think it is) then these guys will go to another team & flourish & have great NFL careers ... Dude, he's a fifth round pick. Whaley isn't and will not bat 1.000. To blame the coaches is absurd. What percentage of fifth round picks ever start in the NFL? What percentage wash out? Edited December 17, 2014 by FireChan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Beebe Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 I have a theory on the OL. I do not pretend to be an expert on this subject and could be very far off the mark so don't beat me up too bad over this. During the draft, the Bills were clearly trying to fix the OL. 3 of them were brought in.....THREE!! The problem I think is Marone. He has been preaching all year to the players to stop making excuses, stay focused on the game and just play. This same philosophy has been applied to the offensive line. We have some big OLmen. Marone, I think is pushing them to be physical.....beat your man and the offense will win it's matchups. The problem is and this was revealed very early against the Chargers. Their defense never allowed the OL to get a bead on them. Instead they ran a bunch of stunts and misdirection to confuse the OL. It worked perfectly and since, every defense we have played is mixing things up on their DLines. The offense has had some success but they certainly have not caught up with what defenses are doing to them. You cannot beat your man if the guy backs up goes around another OLman unless linemen learn to communicate and hand off a block to the guy next to him. I think these big linemen are big enough and strong enough. Not sure if they are smart enough yet. Not sure if they are nimble enough either. Defenses are attacking in different ways. These guys need to figure out the flaws to their game and Marone and his line coach needs to catch up with the rest of the NFL. You can't just tell these guys to beat your man. You also have to find ways to beat stunts and misdirection. I have seen the Bills use more max protect schemes with success but they really need to be better at teaching the OLmen to help each other. I think you may be on to something. This is a very good post. I think beating stunts gets better with experience. Although some of the veterans are never going to get better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealityCheck Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 For better or worse, this past season's O-line picks will need time to develop. That's just how it goes. Physical and mental maturity play a big role in this, and it does take time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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