Wing Man Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 With all the freaking panic I see on this board daily looking to throw EJ Manuel over the side, I thought I'd run an analysis of how quarterbacks who won Super Bowls did their first year starting in the pros. Many quarterbacks had a few starts or no starts at all their rookie season, so I tossed out all of the years prior to the one where they started at least half of all the games on the schedule. Len Dawson (KC) and Jeff Hostetler (NYG) started in earnest in their sixth year, Theismann (WAS) in his fifth. There are now just 31 Super Bowl winning QBs with Russell Wilson's addition this year, out of the hundreds that have been drafted over that period. Based on QB rating, Manuel would slide just above Jim McMahon (15th out of 31: 77.6 rating in 1983). The average SB winning QB started 12.77 games, and was 205.9-359.3 (56.36% comp.) 2485yds 16.1 TDs 13.7 INTs 77.0 QB Rating. Manuel started 10 games, was 180-306 (58.82% comp.) 1972yds 11 TDs 9 INTs 77.7 QB Rating More interestingly, of the top 13 QB rated, only 2 started the majority of their games during their rookie season (Roethlisberger 98.1, Wilson 100.0). Among the 13 Super Bowl winning quarterbacks who took the reins of the team right out of college, Manuel would finish between Joe Flacco (3rd of 13: 80.3 rating in 2008) and Johnny Unitas (4th of 13: 74.0 rating in 1956). If you adjust Manuel's numbers to 16 games from 10, he throws for 3155 yards. Adjusting the other rookie starting QBs, only Peyton Manning throws for more (3739yds). The bottom line is that a great majority of the quarterbacks who went on the win one or more Super Bowls stood on the sideline for at least half a season, frequently longer, holding a clipboard. Among those that didn't, the results were often horrible. Among them: Troy Aikman 1989 11 starts 155-293 (52.9% comp.) 1749yds 9 TDs 18 INTs - won Super Bowl 27, 28, 30 John Elway 1983 10 starts 123-259 (47.49% comp.) 1663yds 7 TDs 14 INTs - won Super Bowl 32, 33 Terry Bradshaw 1970 8 starts 83-218 (38.07% comp.) 1410yds 6 TDs 24 INTs - won Super Bowl 9, 10, 13, 14 For the record, in 1986 after two years with the Houston Gamblers, Jim Kelly started 16 games, was 285-480 3593yds 22 TDs 17 INTs 83.3 QB Rating. The Bills went 4-12 that year. Manuel may be a hit or a bomb but there's no real way to know yet. Just sayin'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnwalter Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 The average SB winning QB started 12.77 games, and was 205.9-359.3 (56.36% comp.) 2485yds 16.1 TDs 13.7 INTs 77.0 QB Rating. Manuel started 10 games, was 180-306 (58.82% comp.) 1972yds 11 TDs 9 INTs 77.7 QB Rating In case anyone wanted Manuel's numbers adjusted to 12.77 games (instead of his actual 10 games started): 230-391 (58.82% comp) 2518yds 14.05 TDs 11.49 INTs 77.7 QB Rating Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 VERY FEW are looking to throw EJ over the side. most folks, like myself, who point to a shaky first year for EJ are saying we need another Top QB in here, right away.....not in a couple years. if EJ struggles or gets injured.....you can't be trotting out Tuel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiz Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Throw all those stats out the window. I saw with my own eyes that the guy sucks. He's injury prone. His accuracy sucks. His anticipation sucks. His ball placement sucks. His pocket awareness sucks. We're stuck with him, though. Next season will be another waste because of him. Guaranteed!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 With all the freaking panic I see on this board daily looking to throw EJ Manuel over the side, I thought I'd run an analysis of how quarterbacks who won Super Bowls did their first year starting in the pros. Many quarterbacks had a few starts or no starts at all their rookie season, so I tossed out all of the years prior to the one where they started at least half of all the games on the schedule. Len Dawson (KC) and Jeff Hostetler (NYG) started in earnest in their sixth year, Theismann (WAS) in his fifth. There are now just 31 Super Bowl winning QBs with Russell Wilson's addition this year, out of the hundreds that have been drafted over that period. Based on QB rating, Manuel would slide just above Jim McMahon (15th out of 31: 77.6 rating in 1983). The average SB winning QB started 12.77 games, and was 205.9-359.3 (56.36% comp.) 2485yds 16.1 TDs 13.7 INTs 77.0 QB Rating. Manuel started 10 games, was 180-306 (58.82% comp.) 1972yds 11 TDs 9 INTs 77.7 QB Rating More interestingly, of the top 13 QB rated, only 2 started the majority of their games during their rookie season (Roethlisberger 98.1, Wilson 100.0). Among the 13 Super Bowl winning quarterbacks who took the reins of the team right out of college, Manuel would finish between Joe Flacco (3rd of 13: 80.3 rating in 2008) and Johnny Unitas (4th of 13: 74.0 rating in 1956). If you adjust Manuel's numbers to 16 games from 10, he throws for 3155 yards. Adjusting the other rookie starting QBs, only Peyton Manning throws for more (3739yds). The bottom line is that a great majority of the quarterbacks who went on the win one or more Super Bowls stood on the sideline for at least half a season, frequently longer, holding a clipboard. Among those that didn't, the results were often horrible. Among them: Troy Aikman 1989 11 starts 155-293 (52.9% comp.) 1749yds 9 TDs 18 INTs - won Super Bowl 27, 28, 30 John Elway 1983 10 starts 123-259 (47.49% comp.) 1663yds 7 TDs 14 INTs - won Super Bowl 32, 33 Terry Bradshaw 1970 8 starts 83-218 (38.07% comp.) 1410yds 6 TDs 24 INTs - won Super Bowl 9, 10, 13, 14 For the record, in 1986 after two years with the Houston Gamblers, Jim Kelly started 16 games, was 285-480 3593yds 22 TDs 17 INTs 83.3 QB Rating. The Bills went 4-12 that year. Manuel may be a hit or a bomb but there's no real way to know yet. Just sayin'. Interesting analysis - nice work! Just understand, asking this fan base to maintain perspective is a very tall order. I happen to believe that if EJ can stay healthy, he's going to be good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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