AKC Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 It's foolish not to recognize the exceptional work Bill Belichick is doing in New England now year after year when it comes to strategy and preparation and also recognizing that he can get his team to buy into those same strategies and prep. At the same time with divisional rivals I always want to look for the wrinkles in the armor of the enemy, and since the football chinks for Belichick are so subtle it's intriguing watching his continued problems with his players on a personal level. When he was Parcell's underling the Tuna had the player relationships tied up and either Belichick just doesn't have the personality to apply the Parcells "charm" or it's an area where he's just a very, very poor student. Then again maybe he doesn't beleive it's very important! But year after year his teams have the types of personell squabbles that usually you find plaguing the perennial goats like Cleveland or Arizona- one year it's the handling of the popular Lawyer Milloy or another year the very public discontent of a Ty Law and today rumors of bad blood between Richard Seymour and the team are brewing, supposedly based upon their desire for him to play Sunday and his desire to protect his knee for the future. The funny thing about all this is that it's hard to imagine the same things going on with other franchises at the seeming height of their success, at least to the extent that it happens with the better players on the Pat's roster versus some #4 RB or a disgruntled special teamer. I'm virtually certain Parcells wouldn't allow it, not the way he sets a social order among his players. It also might be fair to speculate that it's something that's likely to snowball if the wheels begin to fall off the success cart. It'll be interesting watching those wheels this Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadBuffaloDisease Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 Good for Seymour, and I hope he DOES sit out, to teach the Pats about just how much they rely on him. Without him, they go NOWHERE in the playoffs. Now if they had just given him the extension/raise he earned years ago, this wouldn't have become an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawgg Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 I think the very strength you attribute to Parcells is what led to a dismal performance by the Cowboys this year. Parcells has continually been known to have "his guys" -- guys who follow him from team to team and who get playing time over perhaps more deserving players. Dave Meggett, Ray Lucas, Keyshawn Johnson, Pepper Johnson, Richie Anderson to name a few. One of Belichick's biggest strenghts as a coach and talent evaluator is to take all emotion out of the decisions he makes with respect to the franchise. He benched Drew Bledsoe after Tom Brady took the team on a run that would eventually win them the Super Bowl. Bledsoe was then a fan favorite and nobody would have faulted him if he had inserted Bledsoe back into his starting role. Moreover, in refusing to meet Lawyer Milloy's contract demands, he caused what many thought would be a devastating blow to the organization. The team got pummeled by Buffalo in the opening contest but went on to win the Super Bowl. Parcells, on the other hand, crippled his franchise. He released a decent young player in Quincy Carter, a quarterback who had taken the team to the playoffs and a 10-6 record just a year ago. His replacement? A Parcells crony -- Vinny Testaverde. He then traded away Antonio Bryant, one of the league's best young receivers, refusing to play him over the likes of... yep you guessed it: Parcells boyz Terry Glenn and Keyshawn Johnson. Overall, I do think Parcells' style is effective as he has had a lot of success to show for it. But the same applies for Belechick. It's foolish not to recognize the exceptional work Bill Belichick is doing in New England now year after year when it comes to strategy and preparation and also recognizing that he can get his team to buy into those same strategies and prep. At the same time with divisional rivals I always want to look for the wrinkles in the armor of the enemy, and since the football chinks for Belichick are so subtle it's intriguing watching his continued problems with his players on a personal level. When he was Parcell's underling the Tuna had the player relationships tied up and either Belichick just doesn't have the personality to apply the Parcells "charm" or it's an area where he's just a very, very poor student. Then again maybe he doesn't beleive it's very important! But year after year his teams have the types of personell squabbles that usually you find plaguing the perennial goats like Cleveland or Arizona- one year it's the handling of the popular Lawyer Milloy or another year the very public discontent of a Ty Law and today rumors of bad blood between Richard Seymour and the team are brewing, supposedly based upon their desire for him to play Sunday and his desire to protect his knee for the future. The funny thing about all this is that it's hard to imagine the same things going on with other franchises at the seeming height of their success, at least to the extent that it happens with the better players on the Pat's roster versus some #4 RB or a disgruntled special teamer. I'm virtually certain Parcells wouldn't allow it, not the way he sets a social order among his players. It also might be fair to speculate that it's something that's likely to snowball if the wheels begin to fall off the success cart. It'll be interesting watching those wheels this Sunday. 203471[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 But, he's never won the Super bowl withour having Belechick on his sideline. He made it one time with NE, but lost when BB was at Cleveland. Parcell's probelms is his ego's has gottin in the way too much. Ever since he's tried playing GM, he's gone downhill. Overall, I do think Parcells' style is effective as he has had a lot of success to show for it. But the same applies for Belechick. 203514[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATBNG Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 At the same time with divisional rivals I always want to look for the wrinkles in the armor of the enemy, and since the football chinks for Belichick are so subtle it's intriguing watching his continued problems with his players on a personal level. Tom Jackson tried expounding upon the same theory last year, and ended up looking pretty foolish when that "troubled" locker room then rattled off 17 of 18. Rodney Harrison's comments at the time were as follows: "I respect Tom Jackson, but that is one of the stupidest things I ever heard," Patriots safety Rodney Harrison said Monday. "He has no idea what we think about Belichick." If Tom Jackson has no idea, where does that leave you? Seriously AKC - he's been in the league for 30+ years, has four rings and is the consensus best coach in the NFL. If he really had severe problems getting along with people, Belichick could never have gotten to where he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grant Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 Seriously AKC - he's been in the league for 30+ years, has four rings and is the consensus best coach in the NFL. If he really had severe problems getting along with people, Belichick could never have gotten to where he is. 203640[/snapback] Haven't you figured out AKC's modus operandi yet? Anyone that says/does anything negative towards AKC's personal god = an idiot. Only AKC can see things clearly. Just ask him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATBNG Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 Haven't you figured out AKC's modus operandi yet? Anyone that says/does anything negative towards AKC's personal god = an idiot. Only AKC can see things clearly. Just ask him! 203651[/snapback] Oh I figured it out long ago AG. There will be no surprise for me when I get a belligerent response sometime later, but it will be no bother coming from him. Par for the course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 It also might be fair to speculate that it's something that's likely to snowball if the wheels begin to fall off the success cart. It'll be interesting watching those wheels this Sunday. 203471[/snapback] This is exactly what everybody was saying after Buffalo smacked the Pats in week one last season. That the Milloy thing would snowball...yet the team used that loss as the catalyst for the rest of the season with Belichick's "did Milloy look like he wasn't having a good time on the other sideline" speach...Belichick isn't Mr. Personable, but you don't have to be when you're a winner, players automatically buy into anything you tell 'em...they also are willing to forgo the coach they "like" for that championship ring. You might be right that this is Belichick's weakness, but I don't see it playing that big a role in how things pan out. Imo, it all comes down to Manning. Does he have another sub par game against the Pats or does he play like the Hall of Fame bound QB he is...if its the former, the Pats are on their way to the SB again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SACTOBILLSFAN Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 But, he's never won the Super bowl withour having Belechick on his sideline. He made it one time with NE, but lost when BB was at Cleveland. Parcell's probelms is his ego's has gottin in the way too much. Ever since he's tried playing GM, he's gone downhill. 203544[/snapback] Every coach who becomes successful has great coordinators around him. We'll see how much a "genius" BB is when Weis and hopefully Romeo leave to pursue head coaching jobs. I just see this team falling back to earth, because CW's scheme really hides Marcia's weaknesses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 Every coach who becomes successful has great coordinators around him. We'll see how much a "genius" BB is when Weis and hopefully Romeo leave to pursue head coaching jobs. I just see this team falling back to earth, because CW's scheme really hides Marcia's weaknesses. 203681[/snapback] Any any OC they bring is won't be changing the scheme, it would serve no purpose. What will change is the play calling, which might alter the effectiveness of the O...but let's be honest, its the Patriot D that is to be feared, not the O...and that D scheme is all Belichick, not Romeo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitta Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 It's foolish not to recognize the exceptional work Bill Belichick is doing in New England now year after year when it comes to strategy and preparation and also recognizing that he can get his team to buy into those same strategies and prep. At the same time with divisional rivals I always want to look for the wrinkles in the armor of the enemy, and since the football chinks for Belichick are so subtle it's intriguing watching his continued problems with his players on a personal level. When he was Parcell's underling the Tuna had the player relationships tied up and either Belichick just doesn't have the personality to apply the Parcells "charm" or it's an area where he's just a very, very poor student. Then again maybe he doesn't beleive it's very important! But year after year his teams have the types of personell squabbles that usually you find plaguing the perennial goats like Cleveland or Arizona- one year it's the handling of the popular Lawyer Milloy or another year the very public discontent of a Ty Law and today rumors of bad blood between Richard Seymour and the team are brewing, supposedly based upon their desire for him to play Sunday and his desire to protect his knee for the future. The funny thing about all this is that it's hard to imagine the same things going on with other franchises at the seeming height of their success, at least to the extent that it happens with the better players on the Pat's roster versus some #4 RB or a disgruntled special teamer. I'm virtually certain Parcells wouldn't allow it, not the way he sets a social order among his players. It also might be fair to speculate that it's something that's likely to snowball if the wheels begin to fall off the success cart. It'll be interesting watching those wheels this Sunday. 203471[/snapback] You obviously have no clue what you're about. Milloy was cut for salary cap purposes and the Pats went on to win 15 in a row (including two against the Dolts) and win the Super Bowl. Law refused to help the Pats get salary cap relief, got injured and the Pats still are 14-2. I haven't heard a single rumor about Seymour not wanting to play. You're confusing him with the Jet's John Abraham. That would be completely out of character for Seymour. Light took less money to stay. Bruschi did the same. Dillon agreed to a pay cut to play here. Anyone who's playing strictly for a contract is not welcome here. They're more than welcome in Indy however. Before you throw crap against the wasll, you should probably do some homework. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitta Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKC Posted January 13, 2005 Author Share Posted January 13, 2005 You obviously have no clue what you're about. Milloy was cut for salary cap purposes and the Pats went on to win 15 in a row (including two against the Dolts) and win the Super Bowl. Law refused to help the Pats get salary cap relief, got injured and the Pats still are 14-2. I haven't heard a single rumor about Seymour not wanting to play. You're confusing him with the Jet's John Abraham. That would be completely out of character for Seymour. Light took less money to stay. Bruschi did the same. Dillon agreed to a pay cut to play here. Anyone who's playing strictly for a contract is not welcome here. They're more than welcome in Indy however. Before you throw crap against the wasll, you should probably do some homework. 203787[/snapback] If you can't recognize the Milloy situation might have been handled better you're just not a very good student of the game. But then again- you are a Patsy bandwagoneer- we weren't able to locate more than 849 Pats fans nationwide before 2001! But it is very telling that you support the Pat's inability to make peace with Law. You're a real seer. I'm guessing your run ends on one of the next two Sundays. We may then begin to be able to assess whether the undercurrents some objective outsiders speculate are inherent in NE are actually there, or on the other hand if all glasses in NE are rose colored and Belichick can call on any bandwagoneer like yourself for a little fellatio. No doubt you can make part of that proposition work, we shall see about the balance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKC Posted January 13, 2005 Author Share Posted January 13, 2005 Haven't you figured out AKC's modus operandi yet? Anyone that says/does anything negative towards AKC's personal god = an idiot. Only AKC can see things clearly. Just ask him! 203651[/snapback] Better to let others think of you as a fool then to begin typing and remove all doubts ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitta Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 I think one of Belichick's strengths has been his lack of sentimentality with respect to his players. This has been a key to his success in the salary-cap era. It is definitely in contrast to the Bill Parcells/Red Auerbach kind of thing, but it's hard to pretend your players are part of some kind of family if you might have to cut them when they get too expensive. I think that's one of the reasons Troy Brown has been playing so much defense, to justify his salary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKC Posted January 13, 2005 Author Share Posted January 13, 2005 I think one of Belichick's strengths has been his lack of sentimentality with respect to his players. This has been a key to his success in the salary-cap era. 204013[/snapback] It's an interesting conclusion to reach, and obviously in the short term it's not possible to refute it. It's over the long haul, and especially if the Pat's sustain and extrended period of balls bouncing the wrong way or if Adam Vinatieri explores his Unrestricted FA status this coming off-season and due to a "lack of sentimentality" your very best player leaves the team, where we will find out if Belichick is as sly as a fox even where he looks weak, or if he is indeed unable to manage human relationships as well as is necessary to attain "dynasty" status. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROCCEO Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 I think one of Belichick's strengths has been his lack of sentimentality with respect to his players. This has been a key to his success in the salary-cap era. It is definitely in contrast to the Bill Parcells/Red Auerbach kind of thing, but it's hard to pretend your players are part of some kind of family if you might have to cut them when they get too expensive. I think that's one of the reasons Troy Brown has been playing so much defense, to justify his salary. 204013[/snapback] I don't know what he's makin, but he certainly isn't a fantastic reciever. IMO a lot of the younger guys have passed him up bigtime at WR in NE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitta Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 We may then begin to be able to assess whether the undercurrents some objective outsiders speculate are inherent in NE are actually there, or on the other hand if all glasses in NE are rose colored and Belichick can call on any bandwagoneer like yourself for a little fellatio. No doubt you can make part of that proposition work, we shall see about the balance. 203989[/snapback] Perhaps you can provide links to some of those "objective outsiders"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKC Posted January 13, 2005 Author Share Posted January 13, 2005 Perhaps you can provide links to some of those "objective outsiders"? 204040[/snapback] You should read the occasional column that doesn't originate in Boston. Or have someone teach you to use the Search feature on your browser. I'm not into training trolls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitta Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 You should read the occasional column that doesn't originate in Boston. Or have someone teach you to use the Search feature on your browser. I'm not into training trolls. 204052[/snapback] AKC, Have you read Patriot Reign by Michael Holly???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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