Jerry Jabber Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 IMO, the Bills are just like the Bungals. The Bengals were a great team in the 80's, then collasped big time. Look at the Bungals Top 10 draft busts under Mike Brown: http://nkysportsworld.blogspot.com/2009/04/cincinnati-bengals-top-10-draft-busts.html A lot of those busts are comparable to the Bills draft busts over the last 12 years. David Klingler (1992 – 1st Round, 6th pick, QB from Houston); Akili Smith (1999 – 1st Round, 3rd pick, QB from Oregon) - J.P. Losman (traded back into the 1st round and gave up the following year's 1st round pick) Dan Wilkinson (1994 – 1st Round, 1st pick, DT from Ohio St.): Mike Williams - 1st round pick. (Williams played OT, but was a huge bust just like Wilkinson) Reinard Wilson (1997 – 1st Round, 14th pick, DE from Florida St.): Erik Flowers - 1st round pick John Copeland (1993 – 1st Round, 5th pick, DE from Alabama): Aaron Maybin - don't care how good he's doing in New Jersey, wrong pick for our defense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOBILLS78 Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 Wilkinson was actually a pretty good player, but I get your point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 Mike Brown is still a better owner/GM that Littmann/Nix are. And as bad an owner as he's been, Brown still traded Palmer when the price was high while going with his (limited number of) scouts and drafted Andy Dalton. So far, those moves have worked and while they don't outweigh some of his decisions, the Bengals at least are looking up in 2011. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted December 6, 2011 Author Share Posted December 6, 2011 Mike Brown is still a better owner/GM that Littmann/Nix are. And as bad an owner as he's been, Brown still traded Palmer when the price was high while going with his (limited number of) scouts and drafted Andy Dalton. So far, those moves have worked and while they don't outweigh some of his decisions, the Bengals at least are looking up in 2011. I would have to agree. The Bengals sucked for about 15 years, then started to turn the corner a little, then sucked again. This year, it looks like they're finally headed in the right direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDD Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 (edited) Bungles > Ills at this point in state of the franchise Edited December 6, 2011 by Mr. Wonderful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfreak Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 Bungles > Ills at this point in state of the franchise At least the Bungals do go up and down in success, a couple division titles since we have been relevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike oxhurtz Posted December 7, 2011 Share Posted December 7, 2011 IMO, the Bills are just like the Bungals. The Bengals were a great team in the 80's, then collasped big time. Look at the Bungals Top 10 draft busts under Mike Brown: http://nkysportsworld.blogspot.com/2009/04/cincinnati-bengals-top-10-draft-busts.html A lot of those busts are comparable to the Bills draft busts over the last 12 years. David Klingler (1992 – 1st Round, 6th pick, QB from Houston); Akili Smith (1999 – 1st Round, 3rd pick, QB from Oregon) - J.P. Losman (traded back into the 1st round and gave up the following year's 1st round pick) Dan Wilkinson (1994 – 1st Round, 1st pick, DT from Ohio St.): Mike Williams - 1st round pick. (Williams played OT, but was a huge bust just like Wilkinson) Reinard Wilson (1997 – 1st Round, 14th pick, DE from Florida St.): Erik Flowers - 1st round pick John Copeland (1993 – 1st Round, 5th pick, DE from Alabama): Aaron Maybin - don't care how good he's doing in New Jersey, wrong pick for our defense I'd have to agree with you. The Bengals were a very successful team in the 80's and I used to hate it when the Bills lost to them back then. After the Bengals Superbowl run, they started to decline and really started to suck for a long time. It seemed like every year they would have a high top 10 draft pick and they would blow it. You can definitely make those comparisons over the past 11 years about the Bills. IMO, I think this year's draft is the first good draft in years, but still, that's a lot of blown draft picks the Bills have wasted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted December 7, 2011 Share Posted December 7, 2011 Try doing the same comparisons for every team in the league. You may be surprised. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Observer Posted December 7, 2011 Share Posted December 7, 2011 Why are the Bills bad? 2000 Erik Flowers Arizona State Defensive End 2001 Nate Clements Ohio State Defensive Back 2002 Mike Williams Texas Tackle 2003 Willis McGahee Miami (FL) Running Back 2004 Lee Evans Wisconsin Wide Receiver 2004 J.P. Losman Tulane Quarterback 2005 No 1st Round Pick, Roscoe Parrish (2nd Round) Miami (FL) Wide Receiver 2006 Donte Whitner Ohio State Safety 2006 J ohn McCargo North Carolina State Defensive Tackle 2007 Marshawn Lynch California Running Back 2008 Leodis McKelvin Troy Defensive Back 2009 Aaron Maybin Penn State Defensive End/Outside Linebacker 2009 Eric Wood Louisville Center How's that for a nightmare decade. Some of those guys were decent players, but only Wood and McKelvin are still on the team and McKelvin only barely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike oxhurtz Posted December 7, 2011 Share Posted December 7, 2011 (edited) Why are the Bills bad? 2000 Erik Flowers Arizona State Defensive End 2001 Nate Clements Ohio State Defensive Back 2002 Mike Williams Texas Tackle 2003 Willis McGahee Miami (FL) Running Back 2004 Lee Evans Wisconsin Wide Receiver 2004 J.P. Losman Tulane Quarterback 2005 No 1st Round Pick, Roscoe Parrish (2nd Round) Miami (FL) Wide Receiver 2006 Donte Whitner Ohio State Safety 2006 J ohn McCargo North Carolina State Defensive Tackle 2007 Marshawn Lynch California Running Back 2008 Leodis McKelvin Troy Defensive Back 2009 Aaron Maybin Penn State Defensive End/Outside Linebacker 2009 Eric Wood Louisville Center How's that for a nightmare decade. Some of those guys were decent players, but only Wood and McKelvin are still on the team and McKelvin only barely. 2000 Erik Flowers Arizona State Defensive End BUST 2001 Nate Clements Ohio State Defensive Back Good Player, but wanted way too much to stay 2002 Mike Williams Texas Tackle BUST 2003 Willis McGahee Miami (FL) Running Back Luxury Pick, wrong player for Buffalo 2004 Lee Evans Wisconsin Wide Receiver Good player 2004 J.P. Losman Tulane Quarterback BUST 2005 No 1st Round Pick, Roscoe Parrish (2nd Round) Miami (FL) Wide Receiver Waste of a #1 draft pick on Losman, Thanks Donahoe!! 2006 Donte Whitner Ohio State Safety The Wrong Pick 2006 J ohn McCargo North Carolina State Defensive Tackle BUST 2007 Marshawn Lynch California Running Back Good Player, Attitude problem & problem child 2008 Leodis McKelvin Troy Defensive Back Too inconsistent 2009 Aaron Maybin Penn State Defensive End/Outside Linebacker BUST (for the Bills) 2009 Eric Wood Louisville Center Very Good Center (health problems is a concern) 2010 CJ Spiller Clemson Running Back Luxury Pick when there were much bigger holes to fill Edited December 7, 2011 by mike oxhurtz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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