Offside Number 76 Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 If they moved it back to the 20 yard line as Belichick suggested, that would make it more interesting. Give the scoring team a choice between... A) Kicking a 1 point attempt from the 20 yard line (37-38 yard kick) or B) Going for the 2 point conversion from the 2 yard line. It would create more drama as it's likely more 2 point attempts would be made. But very little opportunity to run a fake for the 2 points or to salvage a bad snap for the 2 points. There's nothing wrong with how it is now, really. I say we eliminate sideline hoodies with the sleeves cut off. Look how great the elimination of the kickoff return turned out. They should just keep on changing this game. Change is awesome! Let's make field goals beyond 50 yards 3 points! That'd be so frikkin cool. Er, they already are...did you mean something else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earthtobrint Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 (edited) But very little opportunity to run a fake for the 2 points or to salvage a bad snap for the 2 points. There's nothing wrong with how it is now, really. How often do either of those things ever happen? It's not worth the risk when there's over a 99% chance of converting on the point. So far the arguments against eliminating the extra point has been a.) I hate Belichick and don't want to listen to him or b.) that's the way it's always been so let's not change it. It is a non-play because it always succeeds. Either just make a touchdown seven points (which it basically is already) or force the team to run a play and actually earn the extra one or two points. Moving the extra point kick farther back is an option, too, but I don't think more of the game should rely on a kicker's foot than it already does. Edited August 24, 2011 by earthtobrint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThurmasThoman Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 but I don't think more of the game should rely on a kicker's foot than it already does. i couldn't respectfully disagree with you more. not just because "its called FOOTball for a reason" or some other similar reason, but the kicking aspect of football is what makes it so much more of a chess match/thinking man's game. a great game, to me, is back and forth battling for field position, get out with a field goal if you're lucky, a touchdown is a game breaker, final score, 13-9. i hate that goodell, in the name of "player safety" is basically doing everything in his power to marginalize the field position battle. it's what the game is all about, being won and lost in the trenches. i don't want to see the league turn into a 49-42 affair every weekend like the nhl is going for. give me the single digit points in single digit weather baby! that's why it would be an encouraging step in the right direction to have extra points kicked 20 yards back, so they did become more meaningfull. maybe you could elect to kick from the 20 for 1 point, or from the 35 for 2 points? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earthtobrint Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 i couldn't respectfully disagree with you more. not just because "its called FOOTball for a reason" or some other similar reason, but the kicking aspect of football is what makes it so much more of a chess match/thinking man's game. a great game, to me, is back and forth battling for field position, get out with a field goal if you're lucky, a touchdown is a game breaker, final score, 13-9. i hate that goodell, in the name of "player safety" is basically doing everything in his power to marginalize the field position battle. it's what the game is all about, being won and lost in the trenches. i don't want to see the league turn into a 49-42 affair every weekend like the nhl is going for. give me the single digit points in single digit weather baby! that's why it would be an encouraging step in the right direction to have extra points kicked 20 yards back, so they did become more meaningfull. maybe you could elect to kick from the 20 for 1 point, or from the 35 for 2 points? How does kicking make football a thinking man's game? If anything it's quite the opposite. Unlike designing and choosing a play, field goals and extra points remove all the other players and coaches from both teams and put the responsibility on one player (Yes I know there are blockers and defenders but very very rarely are field goals/extra points blocked. The players barely put much effort into it). You say games should be won and lost in the trenches, but advocate kicking? But anyways I'm not saying field goals should be removed. I'm not saying that at all. This thread is about the extra points. Also, I completely agree with you that field position battles are important and the kickoff adjustment this season is a joke. It creates another non-play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offside Number 76 Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 How often do either of those things ever happen? It's not worth the risk when there's over a 99% chance of converting on the point. So far the arguments against eliminating the extra point has been a.) I hate Belichick and don't want to listen to him or b.) that's the way it's always been so let's not change it. It is a non-play because it always succeeds. Either just make a touchdown seven points (which it basically is already) or force the team to run a play and actually earn the extra one or two points. Moving the extra point kick farther back is an option, too, but I don't think more of the game should rely on a kicker's foot than it already does. Fakes happen. I can't point to a game, but I'll bet Belichick himself has called one. Muffed snaps converted for 2 (or 1 in the old days) also happen. Saying "I like it the way it is," which I do, isn't the same as saying "that's the way it's always been so let's not change it." I like the color of my living room walls; I'm not changing the color because I like it, not because I fear change. And the play doesn't always succeed. That's why they have to try the point. Some really interesting games have occurred where a team has to go for a touchdown to win late rather than a field goal to tie, or to try for two to tie rather than kick for one, because of a missed point earlier. That's one of the reasons why I like it. Would you have the Bills automatically start the season with two losses and the Cheats with two wins because statistically, that's what's supposed to happen? As for the importance of kicking in the game, I'd like to see more emphasis on a kicker's skill, not less, but is moving the PAT back to the 20 really going to change much? Any NFL kicker should hit that with similar regularity. I wouldn't mind wider, college-style hashmarks, and have the point kicked from either the center (if the touchdown was scored in between the hashes) or the hash marks (if outside). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eme123 Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 Imagine if they had no kickoffs in 99'. We could wipe the Music City Miracle from our memories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 Fakes happen. I can't point to a game, but I'll bet Belichick himself has called one. Muffed snaps converted for 2 (or 1 in the old days) also happen. Saying "I like it the way it is," which I do, isn't the same as saying "that's the way it's always been so let's not change it." I like the color of my living room walls; I'm not changing the color because I like it, not because I fear change. And the play doesn't always succeed. That's why they have to try the point. Some really interesting games have occurred where a team has to go for a touchdown to win late rather than a field goal to tie, or to try for two to tie rather than kick for one, because of a missed point earlier. That's one of the reasons why I like it. Would you have the Bills automatically start the season with two losses and the Cheats with two wins because statistically, that's what's supposed to happen? As for the importance of kicking in the game, I'd like to see more emphasis on a kicker's skill, not less, but is moving the PAT back to the 20 really going to change much? Any NFL kicker should hit that with similar regularity. I wouldn't mind wider, college-style hashmarks, and have the point kicked from either the center (if the touchdown was scored in between the hashes) or the hash marks (if outside). Uh, no. Extra points are made about 99% of the time. 37 yard field goals are made maybe about 80% of the time. Big, big difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninFl Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 If you are going to get rid of something meaningless, get rid of cheerleaders. No one goes along with their cheers (as they do in college ball). People just watch the little cuties flaunting their bodies. Wait, what am I saying? Nevermind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 I don't see the need for a change Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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