....lybob Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 They won't even help Alabama- California if there's an earthquake you libs are on your own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pBills Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 Absolutely ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 youtube.com/watch?v=Cj_qNZ9PYr0 They won't even help Alabama- California if there's an earthquake you libs are on your own. I quit listening when he said that "even as we speak, the Republicans are cutting taxes on the rich". When is it that not raising taxes on the "rich" relates to "cutting taxes on the rich"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pBills Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 I quit listening when he said that "even as we speak, the Republicans are cutting taxes on the rich". When is it that not raising taxes on the "rich" relates to "cutting taxes on the rich"? Does the Ryan/Republican plan lower the tax rate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 Does the Ryan/Republican plan lower the tax rate? If you want any kind of an answer you will need to be more specific with your question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pBills Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 If you want any kind of an answer you will need to be more specific with your question. Does the Republican Plan truly lower the tax rate down to 25%? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 Does the Republican Plan truly lower the tax rate down to 25%? Did you translate this from a Japanese video game? youtube.com/watch?v=Cj_qNZ9PYr0 They won't even help Alabama- California if there's an earthquake you libs are on your own. It's on YouTube, so it must be true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 Does the Republican Plan truly lower the tax rate down to 25%? What are you talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pBills Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 What are you talking about? No worries... the Ryan Plan lowers tax rates, all the while pushing for tax reform (closing loopholes) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 No worries... the Ryan Plan lowers tax rates, all the while pushing for tax reform (closing loopholes) Which is probably a net positive. Not that you're capable of admitting that. Hell, I've been saying that for a decade: close the most-abused loopholes, and you can increase taxes collected and decrease the cost of collecting them, even if you lower the base tax rate. Only in your little world would increased net revenue be a negative because it's somehow socially unjust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pBills Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 Which is probably a net positive. Not that you're capable of admitting that. Hell, I've been saying that for a decade: close the most-abused loopholes, and you can increase taxes collected and decrease the cost of collecting them, even if you lower the base tax rate. Only in your little world would increased net revenue be a negative because it's somehow socially unjust. IF it works. However I still don't believe that lowering taxes is the answer. Closing loopholes yes. At the same time, it does seem a bit unfair that the middle-class for the most part is asked to do more to solve a problem they didn't create. Yes, I know you will disagree with that and anything else I say because you are all knowing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fezmid Posted May 27, 2011 Share Posted May 27, 2011 IF it works. However I still don't believe that lowering taxes is the answer. Closing loopholes yes. At the same time, it does seem a bit unfair that the middle-class for the most part is asked to do more to solve a problem they didn't create. Yes, I know you will disagree with that and anything else I say because you are all knowing. Not to play devil's advocate, but wasn't in mostly the middle class that went out and bought houses that they couldn't afford which led to the housing market collapse....? Sure, you could say "the banks lent the money," (to which some can reply that the government made them do it, blah blah blah, whatever), but ultimately isn't it up to the individual to know what they can afford? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pBills Posted May 27, 2011 Share Posted May 27, 2011 Not to play devil's advocate, but wasn't in mostly the middle class that went out and bought houses that they couldn't afford which led to the housing market collapse....? Sure, you could say "the banks lent the money," (to which some can reply that the government made them do it, blah blah blah, whatever), but ultimately isn't it up to the individual to know what they can afford? One could say that... but it wasn't just the middle-class that did this. Ultimately it was the banks offering loans to people they knew couldn't afford them. Not up to the individual, that's why banks want financial statements, pay stubs, etc to see if they can actually afford the loan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fezmid Posted May 27, 2011 Share Posted May 27, 2011 One could say that... but it wasn't just the middle-class that did this. Ultimately it was the banks offering loans to people they knew couldn't afford them. Not up to the individual, that's why banks want financial statements, pay stubs, etc to see if they can actually afford the loan. So you don't believe in personal responsibility? The banks have given me a couple of credit cards with $20k limits -- so if I max them out and then don't pay them back, that's not my fault either? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pBills Posted May 27, 2011 Share Posted May 27, 2011 (edited) So you don't believe in personal responsibility? The banks have given me a couple of credit cards with $20k limits -- so if I max them out and then don't pay them back, that's not my fault either? Of course I do. Shouldn't the banks be held to certain guidelines? After all they knew what they were doing. When anyone goes to get a loan the banks always want you to prove that you can afford the loan. If you can't... no loan. In this case they were still offered the loan and unfortunately to dumb and took it. Edited May 27, 2011 by pBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fezmid Posted May 27, 2011 Share Posted May 27, 2011 Of course I do. Shouldn't the banks be held to certain guidelines? After all they knew what they were doing. When anyone goes to get a loan the banks always want you to prove that you can afford the loan. If you can't... no loan. In this case they were still offered the loan and unfortunately to dumb and took it. You didn't answer my question. If I max out my credit cards with tens of thousands of dollars in debt, and then don't pay it off -- is it my fault? Or the bank's fault? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Miner Posted May 27, 2011 Share Posted May 27, 2011 Absolutely ridiculous. That's actually the appropriate response to the video, but you probably have no idea why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pBills Posted May 27, 2011 Share Posted May 27, 2011 That's actually the appropriate response to the video, but you probably have no idea why. For me they shouldn't be taking money away from areas like Homeland Security, etc. in order to help out these victims. You didn't answer my question. If I max out my credit cards with tens of thousands of dollars in debt, and then don't pay it off -- is it my fault? Or the bank's fault? Your fault. However we're talking about predatory lending.. not a simple 10k loan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Miner Posted May 27, 2011 Share Posted May 27, 2011 That's actually the appropriate response to the video, but you probably have no idea why. For me they shouldn't be taking money away from areas like Homeland Security, etc. in order to help out these victims. Yeah. That's what I thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted May 27, 2011 Share Posted May 27, 2011 Not to play devil's advocate, but wasn't in mostly the middle class that went out and bought houses that they couldn't afford which led to the housing market collapse....? Sure, you could say "the banks lent the money," (to which some can reply that the government made them do it, blah blah blah, whatever), but ultimately isn't it up to the individual to know what they can afford? Nice post Fezmid- I agree, everyone wastes so much time finger pointing that nobody cares about fixing what is wrong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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