hammie65 Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 With the rookie cap coming into play this year, teams will be more willing to move up. The lower the signing bonus, the lower risk. I can see the Pats trading up in this scenario The Pats have a young core of great players and will be facing a dilema if they were to use all there picks. They have 7picks in the first 4 rounds. 4 picks in the top 60. ( 17,28,33,60 ) the problem they will have is that they will have to much talent, and they will be forced to make some tough cuts come september. NE can trade up for a number of different players to name a few. Peterson, Dareus, Quinn, AJ Green, Von Miller. This will be my favorite scenario. We trade are #3 for there 17, 28, and 33. That leaves us with picks 17,28,33,34. #17-Ryan Kerrigan= edge rusher can play multiple fronts 3-4, 4-3 hybrid player #28-Phil Taylor= true Nose tackle. I call him Raji 2.0. #33-Justin Houston = let's go D again another hybid type player. I would love to see this but its more likely the Bills go RT here Gabe Carimi or Marcus Cannon. #34-Ryan Mallett or Kaepernick. I would take Mallett, and I'm still holding out hope that Buddy opens up his eyes on this kid but at the end of the day Kaepernick is a better fit for Chan ball. This scenario fills multiple needs for us and makes a lot of sense. I would do 10 back flips if we can pull this off I really think I'd pass out if this even came close to happening (not that it couldn't, just wouldn't be expecting it). Would love Taylor at #28 (who many have the Jets taking at #30) and the #17 pick would be interesting just to see who is there then (such as Kerrigan). This may be why Belichick has been stockpiling picks, just hope it would be us he (or anyone else for that matter) would be wanting to trade up with. I'd love to see the Bills trade down a few spots if given the chance to do so and get extra picks. With no consensus #1 QB or player overall in this draft, the #3 pick seems to be more of a risk than normal at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted March 17, 2011 Author Share Posted March 17, 2011 I really think I'd pass out if this even came close to happening (not that it couldn't, just wouldn't be expecting it). Would love Taylor at #28 (who many have the Jets taking at #30) and the #17 pick would be interesting just to see who is there then (such as Kerrigan). This may be why Belichick has been stockpiling picks, just hope it would be us he (or anyone else for that matter) would be wanting to trade up with. I'd love to see the Bills trade down a few spots if given the chance to do so and get extra picks. With no consensus #1 QB or player overall in this draft, the #3 pick seems to be more of a risk than normal at this point. Although obtaining NE's 17, 28, & 33 would be incredible, I highly doubt that the Bills would do such business with the Pat's (or any other team in the AFC East for that matter). Stranger things have happened though....I guess? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggins Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 1. We all know that Buffalo has a lot of holes to fill. Having that extra 2nd round pick makes it fairly likely that Buffalo walks away with 3-4 legitimate starting caliber players. Thoughts? That would be great, but after last year's draft I don't have a lot of confidence in the team to draft those players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrobot Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Buffalo trades #3 overall to San Francisco. San Francisco selects Blaine Gabbert with the #3 overall pick. In return Buffalo receives the #7 overall pick along with the 49ers' 2nd(#45) and 4th(#107) round picks. I'm simulating this trade: Round Pick Team Selection Psn School C 1 1 Carolina Da'Quan Bowers DE43 Clemson 1 2 Denver Marcell Dareus DT43 Alabama 1 3 San Francisco Blaine Gabbert QB Missouri 1 4 Cincinnati Cameron Newton QB Auburn 1 5 Arizona Patrick Peterson CB LSU 1 6 Cleveland Von Miller OLB43 Texas A&M 1 7 Buffalo Nick Fairley DE34 Auburn 2 34 Buffalo Kyle Rudolph TE Notre Dame 3 68 Buffalo K.J. Wright ILB Mississippi State 4 99 Buffalo Greg Romeus OLB34 Pittsburgh 4 107 Buffalo Korey Lindsey CB Southern Illinois 4 121 Buffalo Tim Barnes OC Missouri 5 130 Buffalo James Brewer OT Indiana 6 164 Buffalo Delone Carter RBF Syracuse 7 195 Buffalo Lee Smith TE Marshall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted March 18, 2011 Author Share Posted March 18, 2011 I'm simulating this trade: Round Pick Team Selection Psn School C 1 1 Carolina Da'Quan Bowers DE43 Clemson 1 2 Denver Marcell Dareus DT43 Alabama 1 3 San Francisco Blaine Gabbert QB Missouri 1 4 Cincinnati Cameron Newton QB Auburn 1 5 Arizona Patrick Peterson CB LSU 1 6 Cleveland Von Miller OLB43 Texas A&M 1 7 Buffalo Nick Fairley DE34 Auburn 2 34 Buffalo Kyle Rudolph TE Notre Dame 3 68 Buffalo K.J. Wright ILB Mississippi State 4 99 Buffalo Greg Romeus OLB34 Pittsburgh 4 107 Buffalo Korey Lindsey CB Southern Illinois 4 121 Buffalo Tim Barnes OC Missouri 5 130 Buffalo James Brewer OT Indiana 6 164 Buffalo Delone Carter RBF Syracuse 7 195 Buffalo Lee Smith TE Marshall Thanks Astro Love picks 1-4. I think Wright is vastly under rated, and will be a starter in this league someday (although I think Sheppard is the Bills pick if he's there). Not a big fan of Korey Lindsey or Tim Barnes. I would rather take Moffit with one of those picks. I like Delone Carter as a late-round option, and Lee Smith is a beastly run-blocking TE. He doesn't add much in the passing game, but he certainly would help out tremendously in the run game and special teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
....lybob Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 I'm simulating this trade: Round Pick Team Selection Psn School C 1 1 Carolina Da'Quan Bowers DE43 Clemson 1 2 Denver Marcell Dareus DT43 Alabama 1 3 San Francisco Blaine Gabbert QB Missouri 1 4 Cincinnati Cameron Newton QB Auburn 1 5 Arizona Patrick Peterson CB LSU 1 6 Cleveland Von Miller OLB43 Texas A&M 1 7 Buffalo Nick Fairley DE34 Auburn 2 34 Buffalo Kyle Rudolph TE Notre Dame 3 68 Buffalo K.J. Wright ILB Mississippi State 4 99 Buffalo Greg Romeus OLB34 Pittsburgh 4 107 Buffalo Korey Lindsey CB Southern Illinois 4 121 Buffalo Tim Barnes OC Missouri 5 130 Buffalo James Brewer OT Indiana 6 164 Buffalo Delone Carter RBF Syracuse 7 195 Buffalo Lee Smith TE Marshall need pick 45 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted March 19, 2011 Author Share Posted March 19, 2011 need pick 45 I re-simulated including the #45 pick from San Francisco. 7. Nick Fairley DT Auburn 34. Nate Solder OT Colorado 45. Jabaal Sheard OLB Pittsburgh 68. Colin Kaepernick QB Nevada 99. Owen Marecic ILB Stanford 107. Edmund Gates WR Abilene Christian 130. Julius Thomas TE Portland St. 164. Quinton Carter SS Oklahoma 195. Harold Ayodele DT Emporia St. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonborn10 Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 (edited) No, no no no no. Before the players decertified one of the key issues that they agreed with the owners was to implement a rookie cap. All teams know bout this and will act accordingly. Remember these rookies will just be drafted in April, but they will not be able to sign any contracts with the teams that drafted them until the labor deal is completed. And believe it there will not be any football next year if a rookie cap is not implemented first.. So take it for what its worth. ROOKIE CAP IS A GUARANTEE Not so fast my friend.... If the players win their injunction law suit then the NFL operates under the current existing CBA. It is conceivable with the time it could take to play out in the courts that the 2011 season is actually played using the current CBA. I re-simulated including the #45 pick from San Francisco. 7. Nick Fairley DT Auburn 34. Nate Solder OT Colorado 45. Jabaal Sheard OLB Pittsburgh 68. Colin Kaepernick QB Nevada 99. Owen Marecic ILB Stanford 107. Edmund Gates WR Abilene Christian 130. Julius Thomas TE Portland St. 164. Quinton Carter SS Oklahoma 195. Harold Ayodele DT Emporia St. Give up the chance to take a franchise QB at 3 and instead pick a JC kid one year wonder at 7 and a project QB in the the third round? Now Cam Jordan at 7 and Ponder, Mallet, or Locker in the third - that would work. Edited March 19, 2011 by Dadonkadonk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted March 19, 2011 Author Share Posted March 19, 2011 Not so fast my friend.... If the players win their injunction law suit then the NFL operates under the current existing CBA. It is conceivable with the time it could take to play out in the courts that the 2011 season is actually played using the current CBA. Give up the chance to take a franchise QB at 3 and instead pick a JC kid one year wonder at 7 and a project QB in the the third round? Now Cam Jordan at 7 and Ponder, Mallet, or Locker in the third - that would work. I agree with you except I would take JJ Watt at #7 and then Mallett/Ponder/Kaepernick in the 3rd. Locker just seems like a trainwreck to me...in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyjustbcuz Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 I realize that it is very difficult to trade down in the first round, particularly when you are picking in the top five. The thought of trading down a few spots really intrigues me, however, as I see a lot of defensive talent in the first few rounds of this years draft. I have been thinking a lot about possible trade down scenarios, and IMHO, I have come up with one that kind of makes sense. Here goes... Buffalo trades #3 overall to San Francisco. San Francisco selects Blaine Gabbert with the #3 overall pick. Harbaugh gets his franchise QB. In return Buffalo receives the #7 overall pick along with the 49ers' 2nd(#45) and 4th(#107) round picks. Again, I know this is highly unlikely, but after racking my brain, this trade seems to make sense for both teams for a few reasons. 1. We all know that Buffalo has a lot of holes to fill. Having that extra 2nd round pick makes it fairly likely that Buffalo walks away with 3-4 legitimate starting caliber players. 2. Harbaugh tried to recruit Gabbert to come to Stanford, as he felt Gabbert was the best pro-style QB coming out of high school. 3. The 49ers would be able to jump ahead of Arizona and Cincinnati....both teams that are in great need of a QB. 4. The 49ers have 10 picks in this years draft. Even after the trade, they would still be left with the #3 overall, their 3rd round pick, a 4th round pick (obtained in a trade with San Diego), their 5th round pick, 2 sixth round picks, and 2 seventh round picks. What do you think? In this scenario, would Buffalo be asking for too little in return? Am I crazy in assuming that Harbaugh covets Gabbert that much? Do the 49ers' decision makers like Gabbert as much as I think Harbaugh does? All of this is assuming, of course, that Gabbert makes it to the #3 pick. Thoughts? I put out this exact scenario a couple of weeks ago on here...except instead of a 4th rounder this year, I included a third rounder next year with the 2nd rounder at #45 and swapping firsts with S.Fran..I agree that there is excellent defensive talent that is deep in this draft...I think we still pick up a great player at #9. I think the right spot to pickup a QB with potential is with our 2nd pick in the 2nd round..I think two players have potential to be drafted by the Bills at that pick...either Jake Locker or Colin Kapernick. Both have unusually strong arms and our also very good on their feet. If we wait to the third or fourth round we may like Ricky Stanzi from Iowa. He has good potential and stats.. Someone of quality is going to fall to #9 ..Top 10 players should include Da'Quan Bowers, Nick Fairley, Prince Akumura, AJ Green, Von Miller, Cam Newton, Blaine Gabbert, Patrick Peterson, Marcell Dareus...any of these players could possibly become the NFL Rookie of the year..So why not get one of these guys and gain two extra picks? Can't wait till Apr 28th... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bisonbrigade Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 Stay at 3 and draft a QB, and call it a day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
....lybob Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 I re-simulated including the #45 pick from San Francisco. 7. Nick Fairley DT Auburn 34. Nate Solder OT Colorado 45. Jabaal Sheard OLB Pittsburgh 68. Colin Kaepernick QB Nevada 99. Owen Marecic ILB Stanford 107. Edmund Gates WR Abilene Christian 130. Julius Thomas TE Portland St. 164. Quinton Carter SS Oklahoma 195. Harold Ayodele DT Emporia St. OK SF Trade re-simulated with hybrid 3-4 4-3 defense in mind Bill trade 1st for SF's 1st,2nd,4th 1. Car, Newton 2. Den, Bowers 3. SF Gabbert 4. Cin, Peterson 5. Ari Miller 6. Clev Green 7. Buf, Dareus Bills draft 1. Dareus DE/NT/DT 2a Justin Houston OLB/DE 2b Kyle Rudolph TE 3. Bruce Carter LB 4a Mark Herzlich LB 4b Kenrick Ellis NT/DT 4c Mario Harvey LB 5. Joseph Barksdale ROT 6. Mario Fannin RB/FB 7. Da'Rel Scott RB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VADC Bills Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 (edited) OK SF Trade re-simulated with hybrid 3-4 4-3 defense in mind Bill trade 1st for SF's 1st,2nd,4th 1. Car, Newton 2. Den, Bowers 3. SF Gabbert 4. Cin, Peterson 5. Ari Miller 6. Clev Green 7. Buf, Dareus Bills draft 1. Dareus DE/NT/DT 2a Justin Houston OLB/DE 2b Kyle Rudolph TE 3. Bruce Carter LB 4a Mark Herzlich LB 4b Kenrick Ellis NT/DT 4c Mario Harvey LB 5. Joseph Barksdale ROT 6. Mario Fannin RB/FB 7. Da'Rel Scott RB This looks much better with Houston in there. I doubt he will be available. Rudolph doesn't possess the value in the area that we need to prioritize in the 2nd round. I would much rather see a mlb which Nix said was a definite need area or even a guard or OT that will open up the run game on a consistant basis or even a qb at this point. Rudolph may not be a wasted pick but we can get much better value. Carter is not bad for the 3rd round. Not too sure of the others players. I seriously doubt any trade down scenario if a cba agreement isn't made. Edited March 19, 2011 by VADC Bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
....lybob Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 This looks much better with Houston in there. I doubt he will be available. Rudolph doesn't possess the value in the area that we need to prioritize in the 2nd round. I would much rather see a mlb which Nix said was a definite need area or even a guard or OT that will open up the run game on a consistant basis or even a qb at this point. Rudolph may not be a wasted pick but we can get much better value. Carter is not bad for the 3rd round. Not too sure of the others players. I seriously doubt any trade down scenario if a cba agreement isn't made. Looked at ILBs for the 2nd round Wilson,Ayers,Sheppard, but to me they all have something lacking, Wilson has great measurables but looked clumsy in the drills, Ayers is big and smooth but has less than tremendous speed and a rep as a finesse player, Sheppard's Big and tough but 4.82 speed and will come out on passing plays - looking for a RT I had a similar problem but more like is this guy really that much better than a guy I can get in the 3rd 4th 5th round and to say something that will get me killed, I thought Cordaro Howard played RT pretty good until he got hurt. So I thought Rudolph was by far the best all around TE and an all around TE is something the Bills haven't had in a long time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted March 19, 2011 Author Share Posted March 19, 2011 I simulated my proposed San Fran trade again re-prioritizing 3-4 OLB as P-1 7. Robert Quinn OLB UNC 34. Kyle Rudolph TE ND 45. Adrian Clayborne DE Iowa 68. Chris Hairston OT Clemson 99. Chris White ILB Mississippi St. 107. Ricky Stanzi QB Iowa 130. Chykie Brown CB Texas 164. Shiloh Keo SS Idaho 195. D. Johnson-Koulianos WR Iowa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
....lybob Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 I simulated my proposed San Fran trade again re-prioritizing 3-4 OLB as P-1 7. Robert Quinn OLB UNC 34. Kyle Rudolph TE ND 45. Adrian Clayborne DE Iowa 68. Chris Hairston OT Clemson 99. Chris White ILB Mississippi St. 107. Ricky Stanzi QB Iowa 130. Chykie Brown CB Texas 164. Shiloh Keo SS Idaho 195. D. Johnson-Koulianos WR Iowa Adrian Clayborne is an interesting player he doesn't have quite the length you'd like for a 3-4 DE and not quite as explosive as you'd like a RDE in the 4-3 but he's pretty damn strong and he shed blockers and made plays with ease in college. I liked Quinn as the Bills pick before I saw him at the combine- not that he stunk or anything I just didn't think he separated himself from Kerrigan, Aldon Smith, Houston, or Reed. I did think that Von Miller separated himself a little bit he looked the best in the drills by a far margin to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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