The Big Cat Posted December 13, 2010 Share Posted December 13, 2010 I use this website for quick, streamlined access to stats. It's a great resource. LINK Their "Simple Rating System" has Buffalo ranked 24th in the NFL. But what's most astounding: Ranked 31st, 29th, 28th, and 27th? You guessed it, those power houses of the NFC West. Wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted December 13, 2010 Share Posted December 13, 2010 Nice job BC! I like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted December 13, 2010 Share Posted December 13, 2010 I use this website for quick, streamlined access to stats. It's a great resource. LINK Their "Simple Rating System" has Buffalo ranked 24th in the NFL. But what's most astounding: Ranked 31st, 29th, 28th, and 27th? You guessed it, those power houses of the NFC West. Wow. I use this site all the time. They do a really nice job. But I never really noticed the SRS, until you brought it up. I saw the blog entry, but that's all from 2006. I didn't realize they had a column for SRS in the standings. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted December 14, 2010 Author Share Posted December 14, 2010 I use this site all the time. They do a really nice job. But I never really noticed the SRS, until you brought it up. I saw the blog entry, but that's all from 2006. I didn't realize they had a column for SRS in the standings. Thanks. Yeah, there's so much information on that site and it's slowed or bogged down with graphics, ads, etc. It'd be nice if they included game by game play by plays and some of the more difficult to find stats (WR drops), but it's got just about every other one-stop reference point beat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Blizzard Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 I use this website for quick, streamlined access to stats. It's a great resource. LINK Their "Simple Rating System" has Buffalo ranked 24th in the NFL. But what's most astounding: Ranked 31st, 29th, 28th, and 27th? You guessed it, those power houses of the NFC West. Wow. Thanks for the link! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 It'd be nice if they included game by game play by plays and some of the more difficult to find stats (WR drops), but it's got just about every other one-stop reference point beat. You need to go to the Professional Football Researchers Association's website to get that information. Gamebooks consist of all stats and play-by-plays for the games. They are issues by the teams themselves after the game. In the Member's Only section, we have over 8500 gamebooks online (about 80% of all games played since 1960). This is the result of a lot of work by our members with the NFL and with individual teams. Not all of the gamebooks exist, however, but we are constantly adding more. The problem I have with the PFR site is the all-pro information. Granted, we have been working with them to improve it, but they are still fighting us. Anyone who made any all pro list (first team, second team or honorable mention, any source) is listed as an all-pro on that site. They really need to differentiate the team and the source. Some sources carry more weight than others. Second team or honorable mention is obviously not as impressive as first team. That is our issue. As I said, they are improving things, but it is not where it needs to be and is misleading to their visitors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpcolosi Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 I use this website for quick, streamlined access to stats. It's a great resource. LINK Their "Simple Rating System" has Buffalo ranked 24th in the NFL. But what's most astounding: Ranked 31st, 29th, 28th, and 27th? You guessed it, those power houses of the NFC West. Wow. this site has been around for 10 years, but in the past 2-3 has gotten almost as good as baseball-reference.com hockeydb.com is great for you sabres fans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 this site has been around for 10 years, but in the past 2-3 has gotten almost as good as baseball-reference.com hockeydb.com is great for you sabres fans True, I've bookmarked this site for years. Posters should be encouraged to visit more often for fact checking...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted December 14, 2010 Author Share Posted December 14, 2010 (edited) You need to go to the Professional Football Researchers Association's website to get that information. Gamebooks consist of all stats and play-by-plays for the games. They are issues by the teams themselves after the game. In the Member's Only section, we have over 8500 gamebooks online (about 80% of all games played since 1960). This is the result of a lot of work by our members with the NFL and with individual teams. Not all of the gamebooks exist, however, but we are constantly adding more. The problem I have with the PFR site is the all-pro information. Granted, we have been working with them to improve it, but they are still fighting us. Anyone who made any all pro list (first team, second team or honorable mention, any source) is listed as an all-pro on that site. They really need to differentiate the team and the source. Some sources carry more weight than others. Second team or honorable mention is obviously not as impressive as first team. That is our issue. As I said, they are improving things, but it is not where it needs to be and is misleading to their visitors. Wow, thanks so much for another new resource/toy! EDIT: Any chance to preview the content before a membership is purchased? Edited December 14, 2010 by The Big Cat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVUFootball29 Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 True, I've bookmarked this site for years. Posters should be encouraged to visit more often for fact checking...... Why let facts get in the way of a good rant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 You need to go to the Professional Football Researchers Association's website to get that information. Gamebooks consist of all stats and play-by-plays for the games. They are issues by the teams themselves after the game. In the Member's Only section, we have over 8500 gamebooks online (about 80% of all games played since 1960). This is the result of a lot of work by our members with the NFL and with individual teams. Not all of the gamebooks exist, however, but we are constantly adding more. The problem I have with the PFR site is the all-pro information. Granted, we have been working with them to improve it, but they are still fighting us. Anyone who made any all pro list (first team, second team or honorable mention, any source) is listed as an all-pro on that site. They really need to differentiate the team and the source. Some sources carry more weight than others. Second team or honorable mention is obviously not as impressive as first team. That is our issue. As I said, they are improving things, but it is not where it needs to be and is misleading to their visitors. Why would they fight you on this issue? Seems like it would help the site and its users. Other than a bit of work, do they think there is a downside? I have one concern about some stats, particularly those unofficial stats with no specific criteria. Do you find consistency from the stats issued by the teams themselves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 Wow, thanks so much for another new resource/toy! EDIT: Any chance to preview the content before a membership is purchased? I cannot give out gamebooks to non-members. It is a special arrangement we have with the NFL and the various teams. As far as what your membership covers, you can visit the Coffin Corner section of the website to see what you would get with your magazine subscription (free downloads of all articles published between 1979 and 2005). With that subscription, you also get access to the Members Only section, which contains the following as of today: Gamebooks 1960-1969 AFL (Not Complete) 1960-1997 NFL (Not Complete) 1998-2009 NFL (Complete) Browns: 1961-1995, 1999 Buccaneers: 1976-1999 Chiefs: 1960-1983 Dolphins: 1966-1999 Eagles: 1956-1994 49ers: 1950-1999 Jets: 1969-1980 Patriots: 1960-2002 Raiders: 1960-1992 Seahawks: 1976-1982 Steelers: 1969-1983 Full Issues of The Coffin Corner: 2006-present Player Deaths (2010) Player Deaths During Military Service All-Pros 1920-1959 (Currently Being Edited) Linescores 1890-1919 (Not Complete) 1920-2008 NFL (Complete) 1926 AFL (Complete) 1946-1949 AAFC (Complete) 1960-1969 AFL (Complete) Pro Football Chronology (1869-1999) NFL Officials Historical Player Draft (1936-2009) Oral History Transcripts Bruce Alford Jesse Freitas Hal Herring Ron Marciniak Zeke OConnor Dan Rooney Don Schneider Bob Sneddon Al Vandeweghe Team Pages (1890-1919)(Not Complete) Uniforms of Past Teams 1933-1958 NFL 1946-1949 AAFC Miscellaneous Players Serving During World War I Players Serving During World War II Players Serving in the Korean War Players Serving in the Military AAFC Attendance Pacific Coast Pro Football League (1940-1948) You also get to vote in the Hall of Very Good elections and get to attend PFRA meetings (the next one will be at NFL Films). The membership fee is $25 for a one-year domestic membership (Canada slightly higher and other international slightly higher than that) if you sign up before December 31. After that, rates go up to $35 for a domestic membership (again, slight increases for addresses outside of the United States). If you have any questions on what you get with membership, please do not hesitate to PM me. Why would they fight you on this issue? Seems like it would help the site and its users. Other than a bit of work, do they think there is a downside? Honestly, I do not know why they would even fight it. I checked the site today, and it looks like that have started to seperate the all-pro information. That is a good start. However, I have not checked the validity of their information. I am currently working with the two foremost authorities on all-pro information for a new book we are publishing through the PFRA. That information will make it into the Members Only section of the site. There is no question that the information we are publishing will be the most complete and accurate. I have one concern about some stats, particularly those unofficial stats with no specific criteria. Do you find consistency from the stats issued by the teams themselves? Elias is the official keeper of the stats. Sometimes, it is easy to get them to update things, other times they refuse. Elias does use the gamebooks for their stats, but sometimes the gamebooks can be incorrect. Also, not all gamebooks exist for all games. In those cases, we have gone through game films to compile that stats ourselves (like the sack totals for players prior to it becoming an official stat). There are inconsistencies from team to team. You will generally see the home-team bias on items that are based on judgement (sacks, tackles, etc). We try changing things as we notice them, but we are not always successful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 Honestly, I do not know why they would even fight it. I checked the site today, and it looks like that have started to seperate the all-pro information. That is a good start. However, I have not checked the validity of their information. I am currently working with the two foremost authorities on all-pro information for a new book we are publishing through the PFRA. That information will make it into the Members Only section of the site. There is no question that the information we are publishing will be the most complete and accurate. Elias is the official keeper of the stats. Sometimes, it is easy to get them to update things, other times they refuse. Elias does use the gamebooks for their stats, but sometimes the gamebooks can be incorrect. Also, not all gamebooks exist for all games. In those cases, we have gone through game films to compile that stats ourselves (like the sack totals for players prior to it becoming an official stat). There are inconsistencies from team to team. You will generally see the home-team bias on items that are based on judgement (sacks, tackles, etc). We try changing things as we notice them, but we are not always successful. That's great, Ken. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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