tonyd19 Posted September 15, 2010 Share Posted September 15, 2010 (edited) So I have been thinking about this since the game sunday. The offense is in a catch-22 position. We need to have the offense focus on our great running backs. But, we can't have full use our stable of backs because the opposing defense stacks the line of scrimmage with 8 guys. So in order to allow our backs space, we need to spread the defense by having our QB complete mid and long range passes. But Gailey's offense is built around short range passes to running backs and recievers in order to create space. This is done because the line has trouble giving the QB time, and the QB has trouble looking down field. However, the recievers & backs can't create in space because there are 8 guys on the line of scrimmage and the field shrinks. The Buffalo Catch-22. Edited September 15, 2010 by tonyd19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timba Posted September 15, 2010 Share Posted September 15, 2010 So I have been thinking about this since the game sunday. The offense is in a catch-22 position. We need to have the offense focus on our great running backs. But, we can't have full use our stable of backs because the opposing defense stacks the line of scrimmage with 8 guys. So in order to allow our backs space, we need to spread the defense by having our QB complete mid and long range passes. But Gailey's offense is built around short range passes to running backs and recievers in order to create space. This is done because the line has trouble giving the QB time, and the QB has trouble looking down field. However, the recievers & backs can't create in space because there are 8 guys on the line of scrimmage and the field shrinks. The Buffalo Catch-22. It'd be nice if we had a tight end that could stretch the field down the seam. I think that would free up those 5-8 yards past the line so our quick receivers can catch the ball and make something happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyd19 Posted September 15, 2010 Author Share Posted September 15, 2010 It'd be nice if we had a tight end that could stretch the field down the seam. I think that would free up those 5-8 yards past the line so our quick receivers can catch the ball and make something happen. I think the answer is we just need to commit to taking more shots down field 15 to 50 yards in the air. At least 10 times a game to spread the defense out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timba Posted September 15, 2010 Share Posted September 15, 2010 I think the answer is we just need to commit to taking more shots down field 15 to 50 yards in the air. At least 10 times a game to spread the defense out. On a number of plays last week there was more than enough time for the big ball to be thrown. It just wasn't for whatever reason. On the deep ball to Lee that was thrown (and missed), the ball was out at about 2.5s. It's not like he needs a monstrous amount of time to let that ball go. There was also the 31yd pass to Nelson that was called back on a holding penalty. I think the play calls are there we just need a guy to let it loose and take a chance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted September 15, 2010 Share Posted September 15, 2010 So I have been thinking about this since the game sunday. The offense is in a catch-22 position. We need to have the offense focus on our great running backs. But, we can't have full use our stable of backs because the opposing defense stacks the line of scrimmage with 8 guys. So in order to allow our backs space, we need to spread the defense by having our QB complete mid and long range passes. But Gailey's offense is built around short range passes to running backs and recievers in order to create space. This is done because the line has trouble giving the QB time, and the QB has trouble looking down field. However, the recievers & backs can't create in space because there are 8 guys on the line of scrimmage and the field shrinks. The Buffalo Catch-22. That's why you need at least a somewhat balanced offense to be successful in the NFL. As you have noted, the Bills don't have one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyd19 Posted September 15, 2010 Author Share Posted September 15, 2010 It just seems this has been the same circular reasoning that has plagued the Bills offense for a decade. Hopefully, Gailey will find a way to get the ball downfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted September 15, 2010 Share Posted September 15, 2010 It'd be nice if we had a tight end that could stretch the field down the seam. I think that would free up those 5-8 yards past the line so our quick receivers can catch the ball and make something happen. We do but he can't play until week 5. I'm not saying Nelson is anything elite but compared to what we are using right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills in va Posted September 15, 2010 Share Posted September 15, 2010 On a number of plays last week there was more than enough time for the big ball to be thrown. It just wasn't for whatever reason. On the deep ball to Lee that was thrown (and missed), the ball was out at about 2.5s. It's not like he needs a monstrous amount of time to let that ball go. There was also the 31yd pass to Nelson that was called back on a holding penalty. I think the play calls are there we just need a guy to let it loose and take a chance! I agree. The problem lies in the QB. Trent is the worst QB in the NFL-IMO. It doesn't matter what Gailey schemes, Trent cannot play QB at this level.PERIOD! I would have rather seen Jimmy Clausen play this entire year and see if he had "it". If he didn't we still go 1-15 and get the first pick next year. Not only does Trent need to take some shots, so does our front office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PDaDdy Posted September 15, 2010 Share Posted September 15, 2010 So I have been thinking about this since the game sunday. The offense is in a catch-22 position. We need to have the offense focus on our great running backs. But, we can't have full use our stable of backs because the opposing defense stacks the line of scrimmage with 8 guys. So in order to allow our backs space, we need to spread the defense by having our QB complete mid and long range passes. But Gailey's offense is built around short range passes to running backs and recievers in order to create space. This is done because the line has trouble giving the QB time, and the QB has trouble looking down field. However, the recievers & backs can't create in space because there are 8 guys on the line of scrimmage and the field shrinks. The Buffalo Catch-22. If you read between the lines last year and early this year. They call plays down the field. Edwards won't throw the ball unless the WR is wide open. Hence, his Captain Checkdown moniker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfreak Posted September 15, 2010 Share Posted September 15, 2010 So I have been thinking about this since the game sunday. The offense is in a catch-22 position. We need to have the offense focus on our great running backs. But, we can't have full use our stable of backs because the opposing defense stacks the line of scrimmage with 8 guys. So in order to allow our backs space, we need to spread the defense by having our QB complete mid and long range passes. But Gailey's offense is built around short range passes to running backs and recievers in order to create space. This is done because the line has trouble giving the QB time, and the QB has trouble looking down field. However, the recievers & backs can't create in space because there are 8 guys on the line of scrimmage and the field shrinks. The Buffalo Catch-22. Smart post, although after reading people's posts on this board it can't be true, it is all Trent Edward's fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills_fan_in_raleigh Posted September 15, 2010 Share Posted September 15, 2010 A real p;lay action fake and a bomb usually loosens a defense however Trentative wont just let it fly and isnt good at play action fake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wagon Circler Posted September 15, 2010 Share Posted September 15, 2010 I agree. The problem lies in the QB. Trent is the worst QB in the NFL-IMO. It doesn't matter what Gailey schemes, Trent cannot play QB at this level.PERIOD! I would have rather seen Jimmy Clausen play this entire year and see if he had "it". If he didn't we still go 1-15 and get the first pick next year. Not only does Trent need to take some shots, so does our front office. You are correct sir. An indecisive QB makes everything look bad, receivers, running backs, the O-line, the formations, play-calling. After Sunday's games, my son asked me if we would be a play-off team if we had Manning? Probably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timba Posted September 15, 2010 Share Posted September 15, 2010 Smart post, although after reading people's posts on this board it can't be true, it is all Trent Edward's fault. Unfortunately the QB is the one who throws it down field, and that's what needs to happen if you don't want 11 defensive players within 5 yards of the LOS. The line was definitely bad last week, but even on plays when he was given the time he needed Edwards didn't take advantage. Yes he did have that pass to Roscoe, but on several occasions when there were 3 or 4 man rushes and no pressure, the ball was out to the 3-4yd route instead of letting the deeper routes develop. Other times he abandoned the pocket despite the protection still being sound. Maybe that has to do with how much he trusts the line to not get him killed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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