vincec Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 Don't those 3 also play a version of the Tampa-2 also????? Not New Orleans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilcape Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 bills have to put maybin as outside linebacker why the hell does everyday someone makes this same thread, then 8 guys make a replica about the bills going to 3-4 and "maybin as an outside LB". like do u feel that this post of yours is a brand new idea? your the first person to have thought of maybin as OLB? so !@#$ing lame. we r not doing it. i will be super pissed if we try to transition to 3-4. it would take 4 offseasons to get the team to have a top 15 D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 SO if we switch to a 3-4 here is what we need: 2 large MLB's (assuming you move poz and Maybin) 1 Large DT 2 Large DE's Il pass, we have bigger things to worry about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JStranger76 Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 After reading this thread I thought something needed to be brought to light: out of all the teams who ran a 4-3, I believe only Tampa still ran it as a "Cover 2" scheme, and that was after they went away from it in the first half of the year. All the Dungy students running the 4-3 like Frazier and Meeks pretty much realize the "fast, undersized" crap doesn't work anymore. Wake up Stadium Wall, 4-3 doesn't mean Cover 2 anymore. As for which defense I prefer the Bills to run (3-4, 4-3), I don't really have one until I see how free agency unfolds, which I'm sure Nix and Gaily are pondering as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 bills have to put maybin as outside linebacker So the entire scheme should be based on one unproven player? The key to 3-4 is a monster nose tackle. Once the Bills identify that individual then maybe they should look in the direction of a 3-4. The individual to take the nose is not on the roster today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JStranger76 Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 I agree BuffaloBill, unless the Bills can land either Wilfolk or Franklin in free agency, don't go there. I think all the other NT's are too old to throw a big contract at. Maybe Casey Hampton though................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ishouldbegm Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 SO if we switch to a 3-4 here is what we need: 2 large MLB's (assuming you move poz and Maybin) 1 Large DT 2 Large DE's Il pass, we have bigger things to worry about. and if we stay in a 4-3 we need 1 dt 2 de's 1 olb your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornerville Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 The cardinal rule in the NFL is to set the trends, not follow... I guarantee you with all these teams running 3-4, some scheme will be created to combat the 3-4 and that will be the winning trend. Bills have to STOP following the trends and make them happen themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nostyle126 Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 The cardinal rule in the NFL is to set the trends, not follow... I guarantee you with all these teams running 3-4, some scheme will be created to combat the 3-4 and that will be the winning trend. Bills have to STOP following the trends and make them happen themselves. Couldn't agree more. I remember when everyone was crying to switch to the 4-3 when we were in the 3-4. First off, alignment is not the end-all-be-all...play calling is and execution is. Second, stop following league trends and lead for a change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tennesseeboy Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 We can only do so much with the draft and free agency. NEWSFLASH. Our offensive line sucks which has been the reason we have no passing game and an anemic running game and that our qb's seem like a bust. One thing at a time. Fix the offensive line which could easily be our first three picks in the draft and our biggest free agency acquisition. The big question for the defensive side of the ball is whether Schobel will retire and if he decides to do so, we will probably have to give passing thought to a 3-4, although I don't see how we will fix the o-line and restructure our entire defense in the off season. This is going to take some time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 and if we stay in a 4-3 we need 1 dt 2 de's 1 olb your point? We have DT's (Stroud and Williams) We have 1 DE (Schobel) if he comes back which i assume he will In his point moving Maybin to OLB So that leaves 1 DE, 1 LB to obtain via draft or Free agency Right now we are built for a 4-3 Defense. We also need offense LT,QB, A RB with speed, and a WR. So by my counts we need offense more then defense and the transition would be to difficult and cap consuming, and we would be stuck with the same offense as last year where are Defense held teams but our O could not score for the life of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nostyle126 Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 We have DT's (Stroud and Williams)We have 1 DE (Schobel) if he comes back which i assume he will In his point moving Maybin to OLB So that leaves 1 DE, 1 LB to obtain via draft or Free agency Right now we are built for a 4-3 Defense. We also need offense LT,QB, A RB with speed, and a WR. So by my counts we need offense more then defense and the transition would be to difficult and cap consuming, and we would be stuck with the same offense as last year where are Defense held teams but our O could not score for the life of them. Our WRs and RBs are fine. We have much bigger needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 Our WRs and RBs are fine. We have much bigger needs. Lets look at our WR's We have Evans who is a lock then Johnson- Unknown but apparently has alot of "potential" with 13 career receptions. Hardy - (See Johnson) But guy has been injury prone, insanity prone, cant run a route. Parrish - No need to say anything As for RB's Jackson is 30 the usual age of RB's start to drop off. Lynch - He is an unknown at this point whether he can get back to form. Neither of these guys have great speed either. We need a back that when in teh open field can run away from linebackers. That leaves me with 1 receiver, I would say we have a need there, . Yea we have bigger needs but receiver and Running back are not far down on the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ishouldbegm Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 We have DT's (Stroud and Williams)We have 1 DE (Schobel) if he comes back which i assume he will In his point moving Maybin to OLB So that leaves 1 DE, 1 LB to obtain via draft or Free agency Right now we are built for a 4-3 Defense. We also need offense LT,QB, A RB with speed, and a WR. So by my counts we need offense more then defense and the transition would be to difficult and cap consuming, and we would be stuck with the same offense as last year where are Defense held teams but our O could not score for the life of them. how is our run d with those dts? strouds career is almost over imo schobel hasnt said hes coming back, kelsay is trash, denney is a free agent. mitchell is coming off serious injury and ellison is trash they need to completely overhaul the front 7 no matter what defense they choose! its not that hard to understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nostyle126 Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 Lets look at our WR's We have Evans who is a lock then Johnson- Unknown but apparently has alot of "potential" with 13 career receptions. Hardy - (See Johnson) But guy has been injury prone, insanity prone, cant run a route. Parrish - No need to say anything As for RB's Jackson is 30 the usual age of RB's start to drop off. Lynch - He is an unknown at this point whether he can get back to form. Neither of these guys have great speed either. We need a back that when in teh open field can run away from linebackers. That leaves me with 1 receiver, I would say we have a need there, . Yea we have bigger needs but receiver and Running back are not far down on the list. Johnson and Hardy have potential. you know what ANY guy we draft this year at ANY position is going to have? Potential. That's it. Resign T.O. if it makes you feel better about the receivers. But we have much bigger needs. As for Jackson's age, perhaps I'd agree if he hadn't been underused his whole career. He hasn't had one whole season truly carrying the load in the NFL. He has some gas left in the tank. And speed? Speed? Bah. That's the most overrated thing in all of football. Quickness and agility...that's important. Straight line speed means very little. I'll take Thurman Thomas and Kenneth Davis for my backfield anyday, but neither guy brought speed to the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills1960 Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 So what you're saying is take kyle williams out, and replace him with aaron maybin? no we dont have enough talented LBs to switch yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills_fan_in_raleigh Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 bills have to put maybin as outside linebackerso we should change entire scheme for Maybin who has proven he is great on jumping on the pile getting his tackles count up? Who is going to play the more importnat positions of NG and ILB????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills_fan_in_raleigh Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 maybe our nee defense will be the 2 -5. See ya never heard of it but works great into our players. We might find 2 real DL on this current team and have alot of CBs and small DE that can be moved around to play the 5 LB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amstel Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 I'm not against a 3-4 however while some of our guys might fit well into it overall I don't think we have the personnel suited for it. Like everybody else around here I'm hoping we draft some talent and get some FA's but I think it would be a stretch to try and get all the bodies necessary and have depth to run 3-4. I hope whomever becomes our d coordinator adapts his scheme to who we have (keep) and who we get rather than jamming square pegs into round holes. Supposedly thats what Chan's good at doing on O so I imagine he'd want someone who thinks the same way running his D....all that said it would be cool if we could run some variations of the 3-4 at times to give confusing looks if we could pull it off in a less than part time basis....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobillsinytown Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 I'm not against a 3-4 however while some of our guys might fit well into it overall I don't think we have the personnel suited for it. Like everybody else around here I'm hoping we draft some talent and get some FA's but I think it would be a stretch to try and get all the bodies necessary and have depth to run 3-4. I hope whomever becomes our d coordinator adapts his scheme to who we have (keep) and who we get rather than jamming square pegs into round holes. Supposedly thats what Chan's good at doing on O so I imagine he'd want someone who thinks the same way running his D....all that said it would be cool if we could run some variations of the 3-4 at times to give confusing looks if we could pull it off in a less than part time basis....... You're right. We're not ready to switch. The most critical position for the 3-4 is the nose tackle. Without a great NT, the 3-4 becomes very porous. Great NT's are very hard to find, and their durability over time has gone down. I think the Bills are better served with the 43 as their base. I also think the cover 2 is no longer necessary with this defense. We have one of the best young secondaries in the league now, so the focus should be on shoring up the D-line at the point of attack. Specifically, two DT's who can stop the run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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