Knee Injuries - We need Rusty Jones Back !!

[Albany,n.y.]

Speaking of Rusty Jones... wasn't there a chain of "undercoating/rust proofing" companies around by that same name? Did he have anything to do with them, or was the name just a coincidence?

Just a coincidence. The rustproofing company was around long before Jones was a Bills assistant. "Hello Rusty Jones, goodbye rusty cars."

[first_and_ten]

gee this hasnt been talked about a million times already

 

maybe if the team actually practiced like they were going to play tackle football during training camp and the season they wouldnt end up getting hurt when the hitting started

 

I totally agree. From the soft mini camps, to the even softer training camps run by this soft head coach that was just fired. Joe Delamielleure called out the team on this very subject last year. Injuries will happen, it's unavoidable. But when the players don't practice tackle football, they usually get hurt easier. Look at the injury history of this team under the Jauron era. They loved playing for him because he was soft.

[EC-Bills]

3) What changes have been made? Ask the strength and conditioning coach, not us fans. Better yet, don't bother. Just get somebody in here who knows what he's doing, preferably Rusty if he's available and willing.

 

You do realize that Rusy hired and trained Allaire don't you? In addition, Allaire worked for Rusty for several year before Rusty left for Chicago. In that time if Allaire really sucked, wouldn't you think Rusty would have canned him?

[Albany,n.y.]

You do realize that Rusy hired and trained Allaire don't you? In addition, Allaire worked for Rusty for several year before Rusty left for Chicago. In that time if Allaire really sucked, wouldn't you think Rusty would have canned him?

Big difference. When you're an assistant you do what your boss says to do. When the job is your's you do what you think you should do. Just because Jones trained him, doesn't mean he's doing the things Jones would had done. He may have been a good assistant to Jones & can still be bad on his own.

Just look at all the hot assistant coaches who can't hack it as head coaches. Same thing may be true here with Jones/Allaire.

[EC-Bills]

Big difference. When you're an assistant you do what your boss says to do. When the job is your's you do what you think you should do. Just because Jones trained him, doesn't mean he's doing the things Jones would had done. He may have been a good assistant to Jones & can still be bad on his own.

Just look at all the hot assistant coaches who can't hack it as head coaches. Same thing may be true here with Jones/Allaire.

 

Point well taken.

[gobillsinytown]

Wow! Real facts and even some mild sarcasm on this board?

While it's true that there really isn't any real factual basis to bring Rusty back since that kind of detailed data would be very difficult to come by, it does seem to me that in a very general sense, the Bills' performance under Rusty's program in the 90's does seem to be better than under the current program. Since the team ran a very fast paced offense then and seemed to avoid the kind of injuries that plague the team now, you could draw a basic conclusion there. The centerpiece of Rusty's program was diet. The players appeared to have bought into the program.

Rusty is now the strength and conditioning coordinator of the Bears, so at first glance his program hasn't translated into wins. The Bears currently have four players in IR.

 

 

 

The logic chain presented here evokes a reaction from of. "yeah there may be some connection between Jones departure and the Bills changing dieting, stretching and workout regimens, but a perceived increase in knee injuries falls way short of establishing a connection between Jones departure and an inordinate increase in knee injuries."

 

Among the items where a statistical correlation might be found and needs to be presented for anyone to even take this conclusion seriously are:

 

1. Are the Bills actually suffering an inordinate number of knee injuries compared to the rest of the NFL. I also perceive an increase in the number of injuries and IR declarations since Rusty got canned, but in a game which the players are well paid in part due to a significant of injuries, I have not seen word 1 of info that would indicate that the Bills level of injuries are drastically higher consistently than the rest of the NFL.

 

2. Further, is any perceived or actual increase in injuries of the type (joint and connective injuries which may be associated with stretching or a lack thereof, traumatic injuries which come from increased contact, or perhaps lack of preparation that heavy contact may be coming which is associated to a lot of padless workouts etc.

 

3. What changes have actually happened in terms of diet, strectching, physical preparation, rehab, etc that correlates to some number.

 

4. What other major changes have happened (like someone saying above there has been a significant playing surface change) which might explain part of an injury increase (if one is actually happening).

 

5. Is there any organized or consistent blowback in terms of player comments that the Bills diet, prep, stretching, etc has changed since Rusty left that they theorize may be causing changes in injury rates, types, levels, etc.

 

6. Do you see a significant number of individual Bills using their substantial personal wealth to hire their own trainers, dieticians, or getting their own doctors second opinions now that Rusty has left?

 

This whole thing is incredibly complicated, but there should be some concentrated significant signs of disenchantment with the Bills conditioning prep post Jones that even we outsiders can begin to see.

 

There seems to me to be a fairly clear larger number of Bills going to the IR which has been reflected in statistical correlations such as the Bills ending up with record numbers of players on IR a couple of the last 10 seasons or since Rusty was summarily and stupidly (in most fan's views as what he was doing seemed to work) dismissed by Mularkey.

 

However, there does not appear to be anywhere near even a statistical correlation between a consistent increased number of knee injuries and a correlation between an alleged change in Bills strength and conditioning regimen post Jones.

 

Traumatic injuries like Pos breaking his arm twice or Kevin Everett needing life-saving spinal treatment intervention are true facts. However, the connection between this increased number of literal bad breaks and a Jones linked change in strength and conditioning simply has not even been remotely established or even hinted at by the statistical events.

 

This is an issue worth exploring as there is a perceived change in outcomes and definite changes in input.

 

The surmise offered in these posts is pretty unsubstantiated however.

[pioniere]

The logic chain presented here evokes a reaction from of. "yeah there may be some connection between Jones departure and the Bills changing dieting, stretching and workout regimens, but a perceived increase in knee injuries falls way short of establishing a connection between Jones departure and an inordinate increase in knee injuries."

 

Among the items where a statistical correlation might be found and needs to be presented for anyone to even take this conclusion seriously are:

 

1. Are the Bills actually suffering an inordinate number of knee injuries compared to the rest of the NFL. I also perceive an increase in the number of injuries and IR declarations since Rusty got canned, but in a game which the players are well paid in part due to a significant of injuries, I have not seen word 1 of info that would indicate that the Bills level of injuries are drastically higher consistently than the rest of the NFL.

 

2. Further, is any perceived or actual increase in injuries of the type (joint and connective injuries which may be associated with stretching or a lack thereof, traumatic injuries which come from increased contact, or perhaps lack of preparation that heavy contact may be coming which is associated to a lot of padless workouts etc.

 

3. What changes have actually happened in terms of diet, strectching, physical preparation, rehab, etc that correlates to some number.

 

4. What other major changes have happened (like someone saying above there has been a significant playing surface change) which might explain part of an injury increase (if one is actually happening).

 

5. Is there any organized or consistent blowback in terms of player comments that the Bills diet, prep, stretching, etc has changed since Rusty left that they theorize may be causing changes in injury rates, types, levels, etc.

 

6. Do you see a significant number of individual Bills using their substantial personal wealth to hire their own trainers, dieticians, or getting their own doctors second opinions now that Rusty has left?

 

This whole thing is incredibly complicated, but there should be some concentrated significant signs of disenchantment with the Bills conditioning prep post Jones that even we outsiders can begin to see.

 

There seems to me to be a fairly clear larger number of Bills going to the IR which has been reflected in statistical correlations such as the Bills ending up with record numbers of players on IR a couple of the last 10 seasons or since Rusty was summarily and stupidly (in most fan's views as what he was doing seemed to work) dismissed by Mularkey.

 

However, there does not appear to be anywhere near even a statistical correlation between a consistent increased number of knee injuries and a correlation between an alleged change in Bills strength and conditioning regimen post Jones.

 

Traumatic injuries like Pos breaking his arm twice or Kevin Everett needing life-saving spinal treatment intervention are true facts. However, the connection between this increased number of literal bad breaks and a Jones linked change in strength and conditioning simply has not even been remotely established or even hinted at by the statistical events.

 

This is an issue worth exploring as there is a perceived change in outcomes and definite changes in input.

 

The surmise offered in these posts is pretty unsubstantiated however.

 

Agreed that there seem to be a high number of Bills going on IR in the last couple of seasons. As a coach myself at the youth and high school football levels, I have seen directly that usually the best conditioned teams have fewer injuries, including pulled groins, hamstrings, etc. Teams that I have been a part of that are not as well conditioned seem to have a higher number of injuries. While it is true that any kind of injury can happen at any time in football, players who are not as well conditioned get tired faster, which leads to them being unable to react quickly enough in situations that demand it, resulting in a greater likelihood of injury.

 

In the case of the Bills, I hope that strength and conditioning is one of the areas that comes under scrutiny with a coaching change. One season with a high number of players on IR is an anomaly. Two seasons with a high number of players on IR is a trend.