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    Hopkins released by Arizona (7/16: signed by Titans)

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    Disappointed the Bills spent $9M bringing in another DE [Leonard Floyd] instead of using that money to try and bring in Hopkins. The amount of assets this team has spent on the D-line since McDermott/Beane took over has been ridiculous! 
     

    Don’t blame Hopkins for taking the money considering all the wear and tear football players put their bodies through.

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    ESPN article ranking the top NFL rosters

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    On 6/29/2023 at 1:24 PM, BADOLBILZ said:

    Article is part of ESPN+ https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/37892244/2023-season-roster-rankings-starting-lineups-all-32-nfl-teams

     

    1. Chiefs

    2. Eagles

    3. Buffalo Bills

     

    Strongest unit: Safety. Micah Hyde and Jordan Poyer have been nothing short of elite since teaming up in Buffalo in 2017. Both are 32 years old and missed substantial time in 2022, so perhaps a slip in play could be in store. But Buffalo will have a healthy Damar Hamlin and newcomer Taylor Rapp (who played 90% of the Rams' defensive snaps in 2022) as quality depth. -- Clay

     

    Weakest unit: Wide receiver depth. Stefon Diggs is elite, but No. 2 WR Gabe Davis was limited to a situational deep-threat role for most of 2022. Davis is back, but Cole Beasley, Isaiah McKenzie and Jamison Crowder are gone and will be "replaced" by journeymen Deonte Harty and Trent Sherfield and Day 3 fliers Khalil Shakir and Justin Shorter. Buffalo will need a big rookie season from versatile tight end Dalton Kincaid. -- Clay

     

    X factor for 2023: Safeties Jordan Poyer and Micah Hyde. Two years ago they fueled the league's best defense, but in 2022 they combined for just 14 games played. Both are up in there in age, but do they have one more strong season left in them? -- Walder

     

    Nonstarter to know: WR Deonte Harty. In 2021, Harty was efficient with a 30% target rate and a 2.9 yards per route run that trailed only those of Cooper Kupp, Deebo Samuel and Davante Adams. Injuries limited him in 2022, but those numbers still have me intrigued. -- Walder

     

    4. Dolphins

    Glad to see others feel the same way I do about the depth at WR. 

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    Hopkins released by Arizona (7/16: signed by Titans)

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    1 hour ago, Fan in Chicago said:

    How many "reasons" are we going to hear for Diggs' unhappiness? It sounds like every other day some person is dreaming of a new one. So far, here are a few

    - he and Allen had a fight the day before the Bengals game cos of some girl. Their relationship has soured since then

    - he is just frustrated cos he "just wants to win" 

    - he is frustrated at the lack of targets and wants to get the ball more 

    - he is annoyed at Dorsey's schemes and will be even more unhappy if it changes to a "structured" passing attack

    - we are not landing Hopkins

     

    Did i miss any other conjecture? 

    Diggs is frustrated because they don’t have crab cakes and Old Bay seasoning at Highmark Stadium.

    17 minutes ago, 2020 Our Year For Sure said:

    We've known for a long time an offense needs two WRs. Reed AND Lofton. Moulds AND Price. It's only gotten more important since then, not less. Allen and Diggs are special but they can only do so much. Give them help at ALL costs in my opinion.

     

    The moment we traded our 1st rounder for Diggs my attention immediately turned to "Now is there a way we can snag Brandon Aiyuk too?" Here we are 3 years later and nothing of substance at this pivotal position. Go ahead and spin it but I think this is laughably poor management of a modern football team.

    Thank you! I agree 100% The Bills have been needing a legitimate #2 WR for years. They’ve tried with Gabe Davis last year, but he underperformed and was inconsistent.

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    9 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

    We have literally played the Chiefs one time in the playoffs
     

    All of the regular season games lately have been going to the bills

     

    I know it’s the off-season, but let’s not inflate the numbers

    Guess you either just started watching the Bills or have short term memory.

     

    AFC Championship Game, Jan 2021.

    https://www.espn.com/nfl/game/_/gameId/401220401

     

    AFC Playoffs, Jan 2022:

    https://www.espn.com/nfl/game/_/gameId/401326633

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    Receiving concerns on offense

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    1 hour ago, Beck Water said:

     

    Good enough, but who would that guy be? 
    https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/

    Sort by WR and pick your guy

     

    The Cold Hard Fiscal Facts seem to be that once you're paying a QB, a top WR, and a couple top OLman, you probably don't have the cap $$ to splurge on top talent in FA. 

     

    It might be worth noting that as a FA signing for 1 yr/$6M, Sanders played 14 reg. season games and contributed 44.7 ypg, 5 targets and 3 receptions a game (58.3%).  He had a high Y/R of 14.9 and 3 drops (4.2%). 

     

    Gabe Davis played 15 reg season games and contributed 55.7 ypg, 6 targets and 3 receptions a game (51.6%).  He had an even higher Y/R of 17.4 and 9 drops (9.7%).  Obviously the drops are very concerning, but I don't think the low catch % was entirely on Davis

     

    And looked at as ROI, I'm not sure we got our money's worth for $6M from Sanders.
    I've said elsewhere that I'm skeptical about our 2nd biggest FA splurge, Deonte Harty, being a good use of money. 

     

    Anyway have a look, I'm not sold on our signing of Deonte Harty, but I'm also not sold on the ROI per investment for a bunch of those FA.  Who would you consider a good ROI and a better option at #2?

     

    Your last line though puzzles me.  Last season, the Chiefs top receiver was a TE - Kelce of course.  Who are the Chiefs "three good WR"?  Tiktok Boy is decent.  MVS has always been a bit of a disappointment IMHO.  Who's the 3rd?  And do you really see TikTok Boy as an $8M step-up on Davis?

    "The Cold Hard Fiscal Facts seem to be that once you're paying a QB, a top WR, and a couple top OLman, you probably don't have the cap $$ to splurge on top talent in FA." Yet the Bills just spent $7M on Leonard Floyd. How much capital have the Bills spent on the D-line over the years, only for it to falter in the playoffs? 1st Rounders: Oliver, Rousseau; 2nd Rounders: Basham, Epeneza; FA's: Miller, Phillips, Lawson, Settle, Jones, etc. 

     

    This is very accurate about Gabe Davis from Patrick Peterson ""I was on Gabe Davis, and I could show you in my notes the routes that Gabe Davis runs: posts, digs, slants occasionally." Vikings' Patrick Peterson called his game-winning OT interception of Josh Allen: 'I am going to go pick this' - CBSSports.com. As a #2 WR, you have to be able to run all the routes in the route tree, Davis can only run three routes effectively. When your #1 WR is being taken out of the game due to double coverage, your #2 WR has to step up and make plays. In the Bengals playoff game, the Bengals double covered Diggs and limited to 4 catches for 35 yards, while Gabe Davis had 2 catches for 34 yards. 

    Receiving concerns on offense

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    1 hour ago, Eastport bills said:

    You forgot to mention Davis was our best receiver the last 2 playoffs. Remember the nickname “Big game Gabe”. He’s in his contract year and he’ll be better this season. You also have diminished Kincaid’s rating as the best TE in the draft, with the best hands. Shakir looked great at the end of the year and the Dolphins were crushed when Sherfield bolted. Hill’s comments were telling. His #s were great as 4th receiver getting scraps on a team with Hill and Waddle. Look for Knox and Kincaid to be major safety valve contributors with underneath crossers. I also see Hines lining up in the slot. Everyone not named Miami would love our receiver room.

    "Big Game Gabe" had 2 receptions for 34 yards against the Bengals in the playoffs last year. 

     

    Betting on a rookie to make an immediate impact is always very risky! 

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    4 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

    Last year's Chiefs team was better than what they putting out there this season. As they lost of an above average LT, a good slot WR and pass rushing DE and not sure they brought in equal talent back.  

    The Chiefs won two Superbowls in four years, plus the Bengals whooped the Bills 27-10 in the playoffs. Bills also haven’t been able to beat the Chiefs in the playoffs. Just stating the facts.

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    3 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

    Outside of Kelce the Chiefs WRs are not all that great. Toney might be good but Skyy Mooore was a bit of a disappointment as a rookie and I can't tell you who they signed to replace JuJu, I know they drafted a kid but as we saw with Skyy last year, rookies struggle. 

    You make it sound like the Chiefs didn’t win the Superbowl last season.

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    1 minute ago, Beck Water said:

     

    Well, it's fine to be skeptical - I have my own skepticism - but what would you have preferred them to do?

     

     

    Brought in a WR to battle it out for the #2 WR position, preferably a Veteran WR, someone that can run a full route tree (similar to how the Bills brought in Emmanuel Sanders). I’m still crossing my fingers the Bills can land Hopkins, but that’s on Hopkins and how much he’s willing to play for. 
     

    Successful offenses have at least three good WR’s (Chiefs, Bengals come to mind). Enough of wasting all this capital (Draft picks or Free Agency) on the D-line!!!

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    10 minutes ago, Tanoros said:

    I don’t think the staff is completely trusting Kincaid to be the starting slot. They have Shakir, Harty, and Sherfield to all compete with Kincaid and more than likely platoon based on opponent/game flow. It’s more accurate to say The Bills trust they will get production with the guys they have out of the slot. It’s still a risk, but not as much as you make it sound. 
     

    Outside wr is still a question mark and we don’t seem to have too much depth. If Diggs or Davis go down we really don’t have many options outside, especially proven options. 

    IMO, the Bills have a #1 Diggs, #3 (but being used as a #2), Davis, but the rest of the WR’s are lower level WR’s. Sorry, but I have a hard time seeing these guys beat teams like the Bengals and Chiefs in the playoffs, especially after seeing the Bills only score ten points in the playoff game against the Bengals this past January.

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    Receiving concerns on offense

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    While I’m glad to see the Bills try and address the O-line, I’m not sure they’ve done enough to give Josh good/quality targets. IMO, going in the season with Gabe Davis as the #2 WR is a mistake. Davis underperformed last season as he struggled with drops and contested catches. I feel Davis is a better #3WR than the #2 WR. 
     

    Trusting a rookie TE to be your slot guy is a huge risk. Would rather see a veteran WR in that position while they break Kincaid into that role.
     

    I’m interested in seeing how the Bills use Harty and Sherfield, but neither guy has had eye-popping stats. 
     

    If there are no further upgrades to the WR group going into the season, I have concerns about the WR’s outside of Diggs. 

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