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Not that this is a big deal... But I think they'll try to bring in a lower-mid tier Vet CB like Mike Hughes or Kristian Fulton.
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Just now, MikePJ76 said:
is this a threat or something?
You said they drafted Carter because he was good in the community. That is false. He was drafted because he is a scheme fit and can play the 3 inside and the 5 outside like he did in college. He also is an excellent person who was a 3 time team captain at a school which requires more than fogging a mirror to get into.
He is going to be a good player here going forward, on the field and in the locker room.
I mean he may never be an all pro like Troy Franklin but I am pretty confident he is going to be good here.
I mean... I hope you're right...
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9 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:
You said the point was there is only 1 DT on the roster. There are 3. Carter had a serious wrist injury, had surgery and returned and tried to play through it.
No I said he said that... I was making the point that even a Bills fan did not remember we had JUST drafted Dwayne Carter last year...
Dude... You wanna play who knows the Bills more with me?
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I think it's both tbh...
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7 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:
whoever you were listening to you should stop listening to. The Bills have 3 DT's on the roster for 2025 at the moment not one.
Good Grief.
I'm well aware... The point is Carter made zero impact...
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42 minutes ago, Logic said:
I would argue that the Bills played Bishop because he was a high draft pick so they felt compelled to do so. And that it's genuinely hard for me to believe that they would've gotten worse production from Kareem Jackson.
Meanwhile, we KNOW the kind of production they got from Kaiir Elam at CB2 in the biggest game of the season.It comes down to this: You're advocating for and defending strictly drafting for need rather than entertaining the idea of drafting the best player available. That's fine. I disagree. I think it's a bad strategy and one that has cost the Bills dearly in recent drafts.
Good day.The crazy thing for me is the way they handled Bishop based on what at least I saw of him as an actual on-the-field prospect. It seemed like the square peg in the round hole kind of thing. While Bishop has the physical traits of a centerfield-type of FS that can move all over, he just does not shine in that role, and his College analytics really backed that up. If you're looking for more of a traditional SS-type...in the box... that's where Bishop really played well in College. So every time I saw him dropping deep and someone running by him I felt like...well...could have seen that coming. Like I remember distinctly hearing Draft guys saying... if you Draft Cole Bishop to be a FS, or to play mostly in a 2-deep zone you are going to be disappointed.
That's not to say he won't improve and grow into the role. He was just a rookie. He seems smart and he does have a lot of God-given ability. But I feel like based on what they asked him to do in 2024... He was set up for failure from the get-go...
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41 minutes ago, Logic said:
To answer your question directly, lets look at the last game of our season against the Chiefs for the right to go to the Super Bowl:
Keon Coleman had 1 catch for 12 yards.
Cole Bishop did nothing of consequence.
You're telling me their respective production couldn't have been achieved by others?
As to the wide receiver question: in his second through sixth games after being cut by Buffalo, Marquez Valdes-Scantling posted the following stat lines:
3 catches for 109 yards and 2 TDs2 catches for 87 yards and 1 TD
2 catches for 36 yards and 1 TD
4 catches for 51 yards
2 catches for 64 yards
As to the safety question, the Bills had veterans Kareem Jackson and Micah Hyde on the practice squad for the KC game. They also had recent 1st rounder Lewis Cine.There's more than one way to skin a cat.
I maintain that drafting BPA instead of leaving yourself with crying needs at certain positions and being forced to draft those positions is the better draft strategy.
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2 hours ago, Pete said:
Round 2 • Pick 1 (33) • WR Keon Coleman
Round 2 • Pick 28 (60) • SAF Cole Bishop
Round 3 • Pick 32 (95) • DT DeWayne Carter
Round 4 • Pick 28 (128) • RB Ray Davis
Round 5 • Pick 6 (141) • C Sedrick Van Pran-Granger
Round 5 • Pick 25 (160) • LB Edefuan Ulofoshio
Round 5 • Pick 33 (168) • EDGE Javon Solomon
Round 6 • Pick 28 (204) • OT Tylan Grable
Round 6 • Pick 43 (219) • CB Daequan Hardy
Round 7 • Pick 1 (221) • OT Travis Clayton
how do you feel about this draft now?2-Keon- I hated the pick at the time. Keon played decent pre-Poyer hit. But was almost useless after. Keon was first player selected Day 2. So Beane has all night to contemplate that pick and turn down draft picks.
2-Cole - an ok selection. Hopefully he can make big progress this season.
3- DeWayne big fat F. 2% pass rush win rate is horrendous. Horrible pick Beane.
4-Ray Davis- finally a solid draft selection. Ray will be a productive Bill for years.
5- Ed- hardly saw the field- TBD
5–Solomon looks like a good situational pass rusher. Beanes second decent pick.
6-Tylan - best pick of the draft. Tylan sounds like a great find!
6-Hardy- undersized, good practice squad depth, return ability.
7- Clayton- potential.
so one lukewarm hit in the first 3 rounds.
Keon was awful in playoffs, and Cole has potential.
Ray, Solomon, and Tylan look like Bills going forward.
All those draft picks, and your 6th round draft pick looks to be best pick. Way too many whiffs, again.
I rate this draft a D-
I just want to point this Carter pick out because it's at the core of the frustration I have with BBB... And don't get me wrong... I do think he's a good GM... But it's picks like that Dwayne Carter one that drive me insane...
I was a little blindsided by the Coleman pick last year. I thought the Bills needed that down the field, over-the-top, split the zone kind of buster on the outside, and I did not see Coleman as that guy. But I did understand the need for some of Colemans skill set and my thought was, with all these picks we're going to double up on WR anyway...
Well... Imagine my surprise when we get to #95 overall and both Troy Franklin (4.41) and Dez Walker (4.36) are still available. Now before anyone jumps up and says they both did nothing as rookies understand, I'm looking for a 15-20% of the snaps on Offense field stretching WR... That is NOT too much to as for as a rookie. Not to mention they would now have a year in this Offense with Josh under their belt going into 2025, so maybe it's 25-30% of snaps this year. Both are very talented. They have nice upside and SPEED...
Instead we Draft the under-sided 3-tech because he's a team Captain and great in the community... OK... Mind you this off season has been wall to wall talk about upgrading our defensive line and you will not hear Carters name mentioned...Not once... In fact I was listening to a Mock Draft pod yesterday, and the guy running it is a Bills fan, and he says "The Bills only have one DT under contract after the 2025 season." I'm like... THAT is how impactful Dwayne Carter was as a rookie...lol
I should also mention the lack of that down the field threat led to the MVS signing which busted pretty quickly...
Maybe Carter comes out in 2025 and proves me wrong...sets the world on fire... We'll see... But that pick is driving me nuts... It has since last April... I really wanted us to double dip at WR there... Anyway...
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7 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:
Collins is risky not only as a prospect but also falling to 56. I've seen it happen too many times that guys hope to fall don't. Keenan Burton was a guy I pegged a few years back that I wanted but ended up going to the Steelers.
I think Collins will be viewed as a 2-down run stuffer, but a really good one. So that mid 2nd area seems about right. I do think Ty Williams goes before him because teams are going to see a little more pass rush upside with Williams... And Williams is just so very good vs the run... Some folks are higher on Collins than I am. I see him as more of a late 2nd type... But if Williams is gone and you need a plugger, he's probably next in line...
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This is JMO... No offense of course... I love reading different opinions and ways to look at the Draft.
The positions are fine but the names are not my favorite for the Bills... At least right now... I'll reserve a little till after the Combine...
I'm not sure Ezeiruaku is worthy of #30... He's a good player... But he's undersized and #44 on the consensus Big Board right now. I would take Derrick Harmon over him at #30 if we stayed there based on what you had left over in this Mock. The more interesting thing would be if Nolan fell that far and all we had to do was get up to #27... That would be nice!
Harris to me is a bit of an unknown, and I don't think he solves much of what we need. I think he's too much of a Keon Coleman-like skill set and he's going to have a steep learning curve coming out of that Ol Miss Offense... If I'm going WR there I'd take the swing on Isaiah Bond or even Royals who bring more of the skill set we desperately need.
Then at 62 if I got Harmon and Bond I would take Josaiah Stewart as a designated Pass Rusher. I'm more comfortable with the under sided DE late in the 2nd, and Stewart is electric...
Also I don't see Ohio State DT Tyleik Williams on your mock. I think he's a legit option for the Bills, especially if he makes it to mid Day 2...
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I'd gladly pass for Myles Garrett...
I want Kenneth Grant more than any player probably... plus I'm a Michigan fan... but it will take a trade up, and maybe a hefty one.
I'd love Walter Nolan but he probably goes higher than Grant.
Other than that I'm 100% for trading down and getting that 3rd back...
I like Derrick Harmon a little over Tyleik Williams.
I can see the Bills loving Jahdae Barron...And I think if he's going to be healthy Shavon Revel will be a definite possibility...
And yes I think the Bills will like Sawyer... They just will... I hope it will at least be in the late 2nd...
If I had to guess right now I would say Harmon, Williams or Revel...
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59 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:
Or third!!
I live in my TBH history some days and ponder what could have been had Beane not had me arrested that night I camped out on his lawn...
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5 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:
What would it say to the other soon to be free agents on the team if they gave DK Metcalk 32 million a year?
I don't know? That we're trying to win a SB?
Look...No one has been more critical of this Defense than I have. I totally agree it has to be re-built. But if the opportunity to add a player like Metcalf comes along, and all it's going to cost you is a 2nd and a 4th and a restructure that will keep him cap friendly for at least the next two years. That's a win/win. You can still do plenty on Defense.
Playing it safe has got the Bills this far... They used a late 3rd on a DT last year and no one even mentions his name. The Bills need difference makers. DK Metcalf is a difference maker.
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10 minutes ago, glazeduck said:
Believe me, I know all about DK. I’m in the PNW and unfortunately the Seahawks are on here EVERY. WEEK. I agree that he’s a stud.
I was also probably the most outspoken person on this board wanting him over EO in that draft, so I like him plenty. My POV isn’t that we shouldn’t go for him, just that we have limited resources to fill a lot of holes this offseason, and trading 2 picks AND taking on his big $# severely limits our abilities to affect the other needs.
Maybe the 2nd most...
And FYI... He's VERY tradable for the Hawks this year (21M in dead cap with a 10M in cap savings), and because both he and the Bills would want to work an extension (he has an 18M base salary in 2025) it could be very cap friendly in 2025 and probably 2026...-
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34 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:
No way.
Giving up that 2 for that guy is insane.
31 minutes ago, glazeduck said:Yeah I think that’s a little too rich, given his salary. Since he’ be upgrading Keon, I’d try to swap him in for the 2. The Squax will need wrs anyway.
DK Metcalf is an absolute stud. He's 27 years old and in his prime. He's one of the best deep threat WR's in the NFL and a physical mismatch against any NFL CB. He's managed 6300 yards and 48 TD in 6 seasons despite mediocre QB play most of his NFL career. Getting him in Buffalo for a 2nd and a 4th would be a steal. I'd do cartwheels and I've never done a cartwheel in my life...lol...
The rest of the AFC would shudder at the thought of DK matched with Josh in Buffalo... He's literally exactly what we need and then some.
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6 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:
Tyleik Williams is no slouch and likely to be available at 30.
He may be the best run defender in the Draft... The question with Williams is whether or not he's going to get on the field much in obvious passing downs. But I think for what he brings he's about as safe a pick as you're going to get in the late 1st-early 2nd... I imagine Baltimore does not want us to Draft Williams...
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I'm seeing a lot of Kenneth Grant at 30 mocks...
At this point of the process...Grant is pretty much my #1 guy for the Bills based on all things considered. I think he's that massive piece in the middle we've lacked. With the emphasis on massive of course.
That being said I'm pretty sure he's our Brian Thomas Jr of this Draft. Unless we are willing to move up into the low 20's I don't think it's a reality. He's just too much of a freak with too good a floor to get to 30...JMO...
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15 minutes ago, folz said:
So, our friend Tyler Dunne is at it again. Once again, talking to someone fired by Beane and McDermott to get an "unbiased" view of the front office/coaching staff.
Monos never even worked with Brandon Beane, so how does he know anything about what is going on in the building (as far as who is making picks, how they make their picks, how qualified Beane is, etc.). He's never been a GM himself, but finds it easy to say it is lazy GMing to go after Garrett or having gone for Von? This isn't insider stuff, it's just two guys and their slightly biased opinions. Now is he correct on a couple of things? Sure, I don't think we should pay Cook 15 million either and the early picks of the Beane era (outside of Josh) have not been elite, difference makers (i.e., we need better early drafting). But again, that is obvious to everyone and has been discussed here often. This is no revelation or insider knowledge.
So, Beane isn't a trusted talent evaluator, but Monos is? Let's look at the top draft picks of the Monos/Whaley years to see how much weight we should give to Monos' opinion. While he was director of player personnel (prior to McDermott's arrival):
Round 1 (pick #) Round 2 (pick #) Round 3 (pick #)
2013: E. J. Manuel (16) Robert Woods (41) Marquise Goodwin (78)
Kiko Alonzo (46)
2014: Sammy Watkins (4) Cyrus Kuandjio (44) Preston Brown (73)
2015: No 1st due to Sammy Ronald Darby (50) John Miller (81)
2016: Shaq Lawson (19) Reggie Ragland (41) Adolphus Washington (80)
So, Robert Woods and............Shaq was a decent player, but never the pass rusher we needed; Kiko had a great rookie season but only ended up starting 4 years in the league total. And the average draft pick # of the first three rounds in those years was 47.75.
The average draft position for Beane in the first three rounds has been 57.01. Now, granted, it's 7 drafts instead of 4 (so more picks), but the players that Beane has drafted in the first three rounds (that weren't busts): Josh Allen, James Cook, Spencer Brown, Terrell Bernard, Ed Oliver, Greg Rousseau, O'Cyrus Torrence, Dalton Kincaid, Dawson Knox, A.J. Epenesa, Tremaine Edmunds, Harrison Phillips, Devin Singletary, Dorian Williams, Keon Coleman, Dewayne Carter. I agree that we need more elite/impact players early in the draft, but that is like 10-11 guys who are starting in the league, and another 6-7 guys that play significant time. A lot better than what Monos' group has to show (while picking on average 10 places higher). Really, the only "busts" in the first three rounds, or guys that didn't become solid contributors would be Boogie, Kaiir, Cody Ford, and Zack Moss. And yet, they are all still in the league, and two of them at least are still getting playing time.
Look, we can all agree that we need more high-impact players at the top of the draft, but you do also have to take into account where we are drafting. After the Super Bowl, people have been praising Philadelphia for drafting the players (some studs) that helped get them there (and fair enough). But, even though Philly also won the Bowl a couple of years ago, they also had some down seasons over the last 5 years.
Over the last 5 years, Philadelphia's average draft pick # for the first and second rounds is 28.6. Over the last 5 years, Buffalo's average draft pick # for the first and second rounds is 45.33. The highest pick the Bills have had in the last 5 years was pick #23. Philadelphia has had 5 picks over the last 5 years higher than #23. They had two top-10 picks and three picks in the top-13 over that span.
Everything in perspective.
He should have listened to me in 2016...
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22 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:
Yeah KC drafts are overrated. But they and other teams have done a much better job making late first-round picks work.
My issues with the Bills drafts, and I have stated this before, they reach for need in round one. Passing on guys like Tyler Linderbaum, George Karlaftis multiple other players right after the Elam pick...Cooper DeJean...we could have used Nolan Smith, maybe Sam LaPorta. Boogie Basham and Cody Ford picks cost us dearly. We picked twice in round three and passed on Maxx Crosby in 2019.
They reach for need and pick the wrong players. The first round of the draft is for BPA not filling holes. Until they change their drafting philosophy, we will struggle to find blue-chippers.
In the Elam Draft George Pickens was the highest rated player remaining on my board, and tbh it was not even that close... I knew he was crazy too... I knew it... But I was willing to take a chance because the idea of paring him with Josh was just so exciting to me... I loved Riq Woolen in that Draft too and could never understand why they would take Elam over him. Especially because it was almost certainly going to cost higher Draft capital. Woolen ended up sliding to the 5th, which was a joke... But anyway...
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He's not wrong about a lot of that... Especially the early round Drafting. Let's not forget Beane traded up for Kincaid, Elam, and the one I'll never forgive him for...Cody Ford with DK Metcalf still on the board...
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2 hours ago, NoName said:
According to and article on DC, all four will be free agents at the end of the 2025-26 season. The article also says that based on Spotrac, the four players (I typed Coleman by mistake, the title should say Benford instead of Coleman) are projected to get the following contracts:
- Benford 4 years for 91.9 Mil or 22.6 per year
- Shakir 19.3 mil per year (it didn't state years)
- Cook 10.2 mil per year (it didn't state years)
- Bernard 6.7 mil per year (it didn't state years)
Based on these projections:which order would you prioritize signing the four soon to be free agents and why?
Should the Bills resign all four? If not, who should they keep?
I think Bernard will be the 1st because he's a Captain, it's a low AAV, and it will be a home town deal.
Benford will be next because it's a premium position and the Bills are lost at CB without him...Shakir is super tricky... I don't know... I love the guy and I'll take him over almost any slot in the league... But WR salaries are through the roof and I think the value in this offense, if it stays everyone eats, may be in question at almost 20M AAV... Still, how do you not re-sign that guy?
I've been pretty clear on my stance where Jimbo is concerned. Love him, but anything over 10M AAV and I'm pretty much out... Furthermore I have to wonder if it's not a better team building strategy to trade him now while he's at peak value, save the 5.2M on the cap in 2025, and Draft a RB somewhere in Rds. 2-5 in what looks to be an absolutely loaded RB class...
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Just now, uticaclub said:
“Barring any major injury” is the key here. His earning potential is now higher than it might ever be. Get that money, young man.
I hope he does... But if it's anything more the 10M AAV I hope it's not in Buffalo...
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13 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:
Should he NOT care about the money at his job?
10 minutes ago, uticaclub said:If you don’t take care of yourself, no one else will care about you either. I think you’re the one who is out of touch by calling the guy selfish.
I'm definitely not one to say a player does not deserve his market value. But perspective is important here as well...
By the end of the 2025 season Cook will have earned over 9 million dollars in the NFL as a late 2nd Rd pick. He's not an every down back, so that's not too shabby. Not to mention he'll be a UFA in 2026 and baring any major injury this year he's going to command a hefty raise no matter what... And he's earned it no question.
I love Jimbo and I absolutely appreciate what he's done for this team. But if he's going down the "pay me" road his brother has led him to...if I was Beane...I would package him up in a nice bow and send him off for hopefully a 3rd or 4th round pick, then I would use one of my 2nd-5th round picks on a RB in what appears to be one of the best RB Drafts in recent history. No disrespect to Cook. A trade brings a 5.26 million cap savings in 2025, and who knows, a premium RB could very well slide into the 4th round this year. I just think it's logical to move on now if Cook is looking for anything other than a home town deal.
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7 hours ago, DJB said:
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Revisiting 2024 draft
in The Stadium Wall
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Well said... BBB is a solid B basically... But sometimes to get over the hump you need and A...