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4 hours ago, BuffaL0L0k0 said:
I understand and even share part of your underwelmed sentiment, however I think we are getting ahead of ourselves a bit, and being pressured by looking at the greener gardens of our Nemesis (Chiefs) despite them being trumped by PHI on February, Worthy and all, and CIN who has not even sniffed playoffs in a couple of years, despite that tandem of WR, We can tell our GM and staff seem contempt with what an elite Josh can give them, but I dont think they are blind to the fact thta there is still work to do, from here to Sept to fix the WR room. The stone in the shoe is thta Coleman underperfomred to be a 2nd almost 1st rd pick, but that doesn´t men he hit his celieng, so let´s see...
Agreed that it's too early to say. Much of my dismay comes from seeing this absolute gem of a quarterback with merely adequate receivers to throw to. Beane looks at last year's offensive production and says, "Good enough," since the team has needs elsewhere. But does he realize that the production could be better, even historically good, if he just provided Allen with the stars that all his top peers have? Allen is rivaling or surpassing them throwing to Mack Hollins and a washed-up Amari Cooper. How would he do with weapons like Justin Jefferson or Cee Dee Lamb?
Not sure it's possible to make it happen at this point, though; the die is cast. Time for me and my ilk to stop fretting, complaining, and criticizing and get aboard the hype train. Go Bills!
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28 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:
They did call him out and they lost the argument. They had no reasonable reponse to Beane's rebuttal that they had the number #1 scoring offense in the league with the room he built.
I happen to think there is one, but they sure didn't have it.
What's yours?I would have challenged Beane's premise. He's saying that since the offense was effective last year, it will be effective this year with the same players returning, plus Palmer. But he's assuming that Allen will have another MVP year, that he and Brady won't miss one of their most clutch players in Mack Hollins, and that other teams won't be better prepared to stop what the Bills did well. Optimistic posters here add that Kincaid and Coleman will be better. (Which reminds me of the annual cry, "This is the year Elam will show up!)
In short, Beane is gambling. You can make an argument he had no choice with the defense so badly needing help. But he's leaving Allen and Brady with essentially the same JV squad of wide receivers and hoping that lightning will strike twice.
All that said, I do think Allen will lift this squad, again. But he'll win despite his receivers (and Beane), not because of them.
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27 minutes ago, todd said:
So a 4th round rookie WR was going to start in 2025 and quickly become the #1 WR and solve all our problems? LOL!
The offseason isn't over. If you want to improve you WR room you don't do it by grabbing a mid-round WR and calling him a savior. That's just dumb.
There are a bunch of FA WRs that are speedy remaining. Take a breath.
"Dumb" is pretty strong language, bub, especially from someone with obvious reading problems. No need to apologize. We all have moments of utter stupidity.
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42 minutes ago, dgrochester55 said:
A First round pick from last year who was doing okay until he got injured is already beyond hope, but a 4th rd pick who has yet to see an NFL field is the difference between the Super Bowl and another early exit?
Ah, the straw man argument is not dead. Did I say or imply that Coleman is beyond all hope or that not picking Royals means an early playoff exit for the Bills? If you want to respond, respond to the points I made, not to fictions. Again, I'm saying Royals would have been a more valuable pick than Walker because Allen can't do it alone; meanwhile, they're stacked at DT. Do you disagree?
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1 hour ago, oldmanfan said:
The second coming of Rice? Just stop with the hyperbole.Our offense looked really good last year and a day 3 pick is not likely to make it better. Could it? Maybe. But having a big tub of goo helping to shore up run defense likely helps more overall.
On day 3 I imagine you have Beane and the coaches looking at their board. And if considering a WR getting scouting input, Brady’s take on a guy and whether he adds to what we have, and so on.
I have no problems with a tub of goo at DT; I just think a guy who can stretch the field on key downs and stop defenses from cheating up would be more valuable, giving the short passing game and runners more room. He doesn't (didn't) need to be a fantastic, just good enough to pose a threat downfield, so a potentially bigger return on that fourth-round pick than Walker.
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Ongoing conversation in another thread, but I'll just agree with those who are bewildered by Beane's lack of urgency on wide receivers. Mahomes has Rice, Hollywood Brown, Worthy, and now Royals. Burrow has two studs in Chase and Higgins. Hurts has DeVonta and AJ Brown. Allen? Shakir, who has never had a 1000 yard season, Coleman, a slow possession receiver who wasn't even catching jump balls late last year, Palmer, who is supposed to be the second coming of Jerry Rice but who the receiver-starved Chargers happily let go, Samuels, who we keep making excuses for, and a bunch of practice squad level players. Color me underwhelmed.
Meanwhile, he continues to dump--DUMP--resources into the defensive line. Lovely to have, what, four big investments in the DT position, but at the expense of mediocrity at another key position? Maybe he's planning to trade for Pickens or someone. But I doubt it. As others have said, he's probably thinking, "Hey, Allen and the running game did it all last year, so let's assume they'll be able to do the same again this year. What could go wrong?"
Let's watch Jalen Royals, whom he could have picked instead of Walker. I really, really hope I'm wrong, but I have a feeling it's not going to be pretty.
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Man, if Jalen Royals, drafted by KC one pick after the Bills passed on him, turns into a star a year after the Bills passed on Worthy, we're never going to hear the end of it, especially if Coleman and Walker don't pan out.
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11 hours ago, GASabresIUFan said:
Love the first 3 picks, but other than Hawes, I didn’t see much I really like after the 3rd rd.
I hate that we didn’t get a speed receiver to take the cover off the D especially with so many sitting there in the 4th rd. Also don’t like missing on a real safety with 3/4 of our safeties on one year deals.
Drafting 3 CB is a pretty big indictment on the quality of our depth beyond Johnson and Benford. Dane Jackson and Ingram aren’t surviving camp.
Grade A for the first 3 picks.
Grade C- for the rest. Overall a B.I agree with this analysis, except I think they should have picked a free safety in the fourth round, Billy Bowman, for example, instead of waiting until the sixth round. The Walker pick seemed like a luxury they couldn't afford with needs at safety, WR, and LB. Still, Walker might end up being a stud if he gets in shape.
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1 hour ago, Warriorspikes51 said:
Kincaid won’t change. He is what he is. NOT the seem field stretcher we wanted
That's an understatement. Have we ever seen him do more than catch the ball, usually less than ten yards down the field, and immediately get tackled?
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2 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:
My brother, they address the defense every year and it never improves.
It's because they gave up on Boogie Basham too soon! 😃
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16 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:
We rank 16 out of 18 teams who have played at least one game in the divisional round since 2020 in EPA playoff defense. This who hum, gee golly, just need a bounce our way is about the most laughable take I have read here (not just shared by you). We haven’t produced a marginal speed bump to opposing offenses when it matters most. Across a fairly large sample of games. Call it talent, call it scheme, don’t really care what you call it, but please don’t suggest we need a ball to “bounce” a little different for our dreams to come true.
Meanwhile, Allen ranks first of all quarterbacks in the past five years in playoff EPA. In short, when it counts the most, the best quarterback in the league is carrying the worst defense in the league. It's about time they addressed the problem.
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35 minutes ago, DCofNC said:
Goodbye Davidson? Idk, maybe they see him as a swing tackle project?
Or maybe the Alec Anderson experiment is over? Maybe they want at least a small receiving threat in addition to the in-line blocking.
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Backup to Taron and whoever plays free safety. Works for me.
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8 minutes ago, glazeduck said:
Might want to Google him…
Ah.
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6 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said:
Down to 26 Players left that the Bills have met with in some form as of pick 150
4 30 Visitors that we are aware of are left:
Isaiah Bond WR Texas
KeAndre Lambert Smith WR Auburn
Tory Horton WR Colorado State
Dorian Strong CB Virginia Tech
Is Isaiah Bond falling because of character issues? He's a top-100 player according to Bruegel. Might be a nice pick for the Bills with one of the fifth round picks. Maybe his teammates can improve his character if that's the problem.
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17 minutes ago, zow2 said:
Hearing this guy’s draft phone call with Beane and McDermott was epic. He was crying real tears. This guy has some kind of “IT factor”….. I don’t think failure is an option. He might be a legendary Bills player when we look back 10 years from now.
I'm surprised all of them don't break down like Jackson. Think of the pressure on these young guys. National TV is watching as the picks go by, your family, friends, everyone you know in the world watching to see how worthy you are in the eyes of the professionals. How do you stay stoic? (And why should you?)
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25 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:
I hear you, but in another sense, it just is very difficult to quantify great athleticism. I was in a discussion a couple of years ago about what it means to be "smooth" and it's not easy to describe. On top of that, we're all familiar with the notion that players playing speed is often different from their time to speed in the combine or other similar environments. The reality is that at the end of the day some players play beyond their statistical measures, and other players don't play up to them. In every case, it's necessary just to wait and see what they do when they get on the field.
Right. Trying to define athleticism is like defining pornography (according to Lewis Powell): You know it when you see it.
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8 hours ago, Low Positive said:
The reason the Eagles got to Mahomes is that they have a great secondary that forced him to hold the ball for another second. No defensive line, no matter how great, gets home in less than 2 seconds.
Agree. The team obviously needed a CB, but in my view the need for a safety was/is more than DT and DE. The Bills defense was elite a few years ago, but when they lost Poyer and Hyde, the wheels fell off. I like the Sanders pick, but I think the Bills would have done better picking Malaki Starks as a true ball-hawking free safety, allowing Bishop to play his natural strong-safety position.
The Bills had it right a few years ago with Poyer and Hyde, just as Baltimore has it right with Hamilton and now Starks, and the Eagles with DeJean and now Mukuba (both 2nd round picks, incidentally). Beane sees Mahomes crushed like a tin can in the Super Bowl and thinks "pass rush." But he should be thinking "safety."
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11 hours ago, TheBrownBear said:
Really like what we are doing on defense in this draft. Big upgrades in athleticism.
I always wonder about that term. His RAS score is elite (speed, jumps, etc.), but he's universally described as "stiff," with little ability to bend or dip around the corner. To me, an athlete is someone who is fast and quick but also able to move effortlessly, like Bruce Smith or Von Miller. This guy reminds me more Phil Hansen. That's no insult, either. A nice player, but "athletic"? We need a term for "fast and quick but not particularly supple."
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1 minute ago, stevewin said:
We have the MVP
But he needs someone to throw it to besides JV players, castoffs, and Shakir.
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Just now, DJB said:
Of course the Ravens take Green
So annoying that teams like KC, Ravens and Eagles always take good players and ignore character and injuries getting tremendously good value
It's one way to beat a perennially low draft position. Let's hope it blows up in their faces.
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1 minute ago, Nephilim17 said:
Also remember Sanders is still only 21 years old and 6'4".
He can still add mass to his frame.I did!😁
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3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
I think it is fair to ask how much you can get him and Ed on the field together. Again @gonzo1105 and I talked about whether you can take a high 3T and then balance it with Ogunjobi when he is back.... can you carry three 3Ts... I wonder if it just means Ogunjob plays more 1T which he did in Cleveland.
Where do you see DeWayne Carter fitting in? Is McBeane looking for all his interior players to be able to play both tackle positions?
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12 hours ago, Victory Formation said:
Bishop? Rapp?
Exactly. Hoping they'll be good isn't the same as they're being good. Rapp is merely adequate when he's healthy, and Bishop is a projection. He could be another Elam for all we know. Yes, he missed time in training camp, but he certainly didn't wow the coaches over the course of the season. I'm hopeful but not at all confident. If you have just one bad safety, like Hamlin, it screws up the whole defense. If he has a Kincaid-like sophomore year, they'll have two meh players and a rookies starting in the secondary.
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Given your assessment and assuming positive growth from him this year, do you think he could be an elite player? His inability to get separation, combined with his meh contested-catch rate, are pretty disappointing for such a high pick, but what about his prospects? Does he have a high ceiling, or is he going to be ordinary?