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19 hours ago, FireChans said:
Yeah it’s a shame because it may be another 6 or 8 years before we get talent pushed so far back. Was probably our best shot of being in striking distance.
The Diggs and Miller moves were both bold, but they didn't take much imagination or shrewdness, which I think Beane lacks, much like McDermott. It would have been bold AND imaginative to move up for Verse, Bowers, or Brian Thomas (finding trade partners aside). I would happily trade Coleman, Bishop, and Carter for any one of these players, just like I would happily trade Kincaid (who also cost a fourth-rounder) and Torrence, two solid players, for Christian Gonzalez, a star. The Bills have one--one!--star. Even if that one star is a supernova, he can't do it all.
Beane has ten picks and four pressing needs. If he holds to his past patterns, he'll come away with three or four good players, a few more pretty good ones, and zero blue-chip players. Better to draft one absolute blue-chipper, one very good player, and a few prospects that McDermott can coach up.
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If he's as good as people are saying--young, good potential, separation, etc.--why did the Chargers let him go, especially with their thin WR room and this affordable price?
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49 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:
No thanks to Cooper at this point with the addition of Palmer. Hed just be standing in the way of a young guy coming in and possibly contributing or growing into a player.
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Draft WR5 who hopefully can contribute on special teams.
I prefer drafting a WR1. This lineup is heavy on hopes, light on production.
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His scouting report suggests he's more of a strong safety, much like Bishops. Rapp, too, is better close to the line of scrimmage. No true free safety on the roster yet. (I'm not going to mention Hamlin, who played so far back he should have been paid as a parking-lot attendant.) Nice depth, if nothing else.
I've gotten my hopes up too many times to be more excited than this, most recently with the Mike Edwards and Lewis Cine.
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23 minutes ago, TheBeaneBandit said:
He's going 2nd round holmes
If there is a huge run on defensive lineman and only a few corners have gone and the Bills have a shot at their ",true" favorite CB, I could get on board with this.
I like the idea of drafting Shavon Revel. He's coming off a September ACL, but he would have been a top-15 pick if healthy. Sign a veteran like Gilmore in case he needs a bit more time to fully recover, and you have a shutdown corner for five years plus. Small risk for a high reward.
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It's always a bummer that ending the season with a loss causes us to focus on the negative, because otherwise there were some terrific plays in that game we'd still be talking about, like Cook's TD and Allen's dime to Hollins and the crazy pass to Kincaid with four rushers immediately in his face.
Anyway, by now my narrative has hardened into two conclusions: 1. Elam coming in for Benford was a disaster, akin to replacing Bernard with A.J. Klein in the playoff game last year; and 2. the Bills got outcoached, again, by KC on both sides of the ball. Brady deserves a lot of heat for stubbornly sticking the tush push after it was obvious KC had prepared for it all week. Even one play action pass on fourth down may have saved the game. And McDermott was exposed, again, as inadequate. He is just not good enough to compete with his top peers, not when it matters most.
What's awful is that replacing McDermott would be extremely risky. It's safer to keep him and what he does well (culture, player development) and build a team strong enough to compensate for his deer-in-the-headlights act in the playoffs. Win despite the head coach, in other words, because you're certainly not going to win because of him. Either that or tell him to step aside in the playoffs and give full control--ALL of it--to his coordinators and game managers.
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I'm in the minority here, but I favor picking CB in round one, maybe even moving up to snag the best prospect we can. The Bills may not be able to afford Benford at $30 million/year after this year; plus, one more concussion and his value drops a lot. Consider your starting CBs play every down, while the DTs and DEs rotate, playing 70% of the snaps at the most. Still need quality on the line, but in a deep draft, Beane should pick up good players in the second round.
If all goes well, the team will have two shut-down corners this year (and next, if they extend Benford) to go with a rising Bishop, an adequate Rapp, and an Pro-Bowl Taron.
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54 minutes ago, mjt328 said:
The main reason Beane won the lottery in landing Josh Allen was because he knew his job depended on it. So he confidently identified a target and then aggressively moved up to get him. I don't see or sense that level of confidence or aggression from our front office anymore. Which tells me Beane is comfortable in just winning the AFC East and staying off the hot seat.
Beane's motivation level doesn't change year to year; only his results change. He took a big gamble with Allen. That easily could have blown up. His critics were right: no QB had ever improved his accuracy dramatically after he was drafted. Ever. Did Beane know that Allen would be the one exception? I'm sure he hoped so, but Allen could easily have been one of the many, many quarterbacks with huge potential who end up busts. Give Beane credit, though: He went all-in on a inside-straight draw and nailed it on the River. Took guts.
I also disagree that he hasn't been aggressive since drafting Allen. Just in the first two rounds moved up for Edmunds, Ford, Elam, and Kincaid. He also traded a first-rounder and a fourth for Diggs. He's no wall flower. But neither has he been particularly effective. As a drafter, he's ok, not bad, above average. But I agree with the OP that he needs to go get a blue-chip prospect, someone who will PROBABLY be great, not someone who might be, maybe.
Trouble is, we're going to be the first people who squawk if he doesn't address team needs across the board. For example, say he trades both seconds and the first to move up to 12 or 13 to draft one of the best CBs. Now he has just the two fourths, a bushel of fifths, and change for WR, DE, and DT, along with a punter and LB depth. He'd need to get very lucky to land very good players at that point.
So we can't have it both ways. Be nice to have a Bruce Smith to go with Allen, but are we ok with drafting him and starting Rasul Douglas, DeQuan Jones, and Josh Palmer?
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I have high hopes for Babich this year. He didn't have much to work with last year, with an anemic rush and a bench warmer starting at safety all year, yet his defense contributed in many games by actively creating turnovers. If Beane gives him some playmakers, and if McDermott keeps his mitts off--both big "ifs"--he has the potential to make this defense potent in its own right. He did a great job as linebackers coach.
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2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:
He's a checkdown receiver, that's it. Run 3 steps, turn, catch, run 3 more steps, go down.
Exactly. And that's pretty disappointing for a first-round draft pick (with a fourth-round pick thrown in). Based on their production to date, he and Coleman would have been reasonable fourth-round picks. They could both turn it around, though. Kincaid needs more muscle, Coleman needs to want it more.
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41 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:
Or unfortunately we may have to ding Beane a little. I'm a little jealous of what Burrow has compared to Josh at WR. But Beane had a chance/choice with the DK Metcalf sweepstakes and did not pony up (yes, I'm still a little bummed about that).
Agree. If the Bills don't win a Super Bowl in the Allen era, we'll be rueing all the chances Beane had and didn't take, or the chances he took but that blew up, like going all-in on the 33-year old Von Miller. The good news is that there is still time. Allen is doing more with less than his peers. If you give him what Mahomes had and Jackson and Burrows have, he'll do the rest.
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11 hours ago, Rigotz said:
40/yr for Chase
29/yr for Higgins50/yr for Burrow
A master class in paying WR instead of your premiere trench players. Ya love to see it.
Any award or praise of Burrow's play has to carry an asterisk. He's playing with not one but two elite receivers, much like Mahomes did all those years.
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13 minutes ago, TOboy said:
So you’re saying he needs an earlier draft pick?
I'm saying he has to draft better. If an elite player appears to be falling to him, then by all means stay put. He shouldn't trade up mindlessly, but neither should he continue to settle for second-tier players year after year in the hopes that they may become elite someday.
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3 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:
In the last 2 drafts, the Bills used the 25th pick and 33rd pick on Kincaid and Coleman. They combined for 73 receptions, on 132 targets for 1.004 yards and 6 TDs. That’s abysmal. They EACH should be doing that!! For context, rookie Brian Thomas Jr. caught 83 of 133 targets for 1,282 yards and 10 TDs.
And that's with a mediocre (but generational!) quarterback throwing to him.
As others have said, Beane might have tried and failed to find a trading partner to land Thomas. But maybe he should have looked higher up in the draft, packaging a third instead of the fourth he might have been offering, or even a third AND fourth. Would you trade Coleman, Ray Davis, and DeWayne Carter for Thomas? Would you trade Kincaid, Torrence, and Dorian Williams for a lockdown corner in Christian Gonzales?
All these years, Beane has been choosing quantity over quality. In his mind, better three pretty good players instead of one great one. So what does he have? A pretty good team and a pretty good coach to go with an incandescently great quarterback. It shows you the greatness of Allen that he's taken the team as far as he has with no help. In fact, in the clutch, his teammates aren't even "pretty good": the receivers drop passes, the kicker chokes, the defense doesn't show up, and his coaches are unprepared and utterly predictable.
Beane's response: Bring in more pretty good players. Maybe the pretty good coaches will develop them.
He...just...doesn't...get it. Allen needs Brian Thomas, not Keon Coleman. He needs Brock Bowers, not Dalton Kincaid. He needs Micah Parsons, not Hamlin and Oliver and Bernard and Epenesa.
Message to Beane: You have TEN picks in this draft. Forget "pretty good." Do your job and get an elite player.
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On 3/12/2025 at 1:22 PM, chris heff said:
They are not going to use all 10 draft picks, if there is a DT or DE they really like expect them to move up.
That does seem to be Beane's pattern. He'll likely move up in the first round and package some of his fourth- or fifth-round picks to land a third-round pick, and more late picks to move up in other places. To myself, I've been predicting he ends up picking just seven players in the end.
I just wish he had a better record of moving up: Edmunds, Ford, Elam, maybe even Kincaid... When I see "Trade!" my blood goes cold. I wonder if his scouts are muttering to themselves every year, "Just stick to the board, just stick to the board, just stick to the board..."
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1 hour ago, CNYfan said:
Looks better than #3 at first glance.
You're better than #3 at a glance.
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28 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said:
I’ll begin by saying I like what Beane has done so far to improve the D line with the draft still to go. On paper this line should be more effective at stopping the run, but it seems about the same in rushing the QB with upside if Bosa remains healthy.
Here is how things stand
DE - Groot, AJE, Solomon, Bosa, Hoecht (DT/LB)
DT - Oliver, Jones, Carter, Ogunjobi, Lodge
Ogunjobi is an upgrade on Austin Johnson, Bosa is an upgrade on AJE and Miller when healthy and Hoecht fills the utility role held by Smoot last season. My biggest concern with Bosa, besides his health, is whether McD will again push Groot to the right side to accommodate Bosa like they did with Miller. This is not the highest and best use of Rousseau’s talent IMHO.The best part of the Bosa signing is that he is a 3 down player and he hopefully send AJE to the bench or off the team. I am not a fan. The Bills can save a decent amount in cap if they release him and the truth is he is mediocre against the run and his pressure rate was terrible last season. I’d much rather Bosa rotate with Solomon, Hoecht and whomever they draft. My hope is a good edge rusher falls to the Bills at 30. That player then has a good camp earning PT above AJE and the tackling challenged Solomon.
I am looking forward to watching DTs Oliver, Jones, Carter and Ogunjobi play the interior this season. I believe Ogunjobi can challenge Jones for the starting job. With Ogunjobi and Carter on one year deals at this point, finding a DT early in this draft is also still an imperative.
The ultimate question is has Beane done enough to improve our defense against the run and our pass rush?I don't think he has. As you say, the players he's signed, along with Palmer at WR, might be slight upgrades, but I don't see them as much more than than. So far, Beane is just shuffling his feet. The draft might produce a difference maker, but how often does that happen, picking so late?
No, as fun as it is hearing about new players joining the Bills, objectively speaking, this new-look line will likely get the same results as the last two years. That doesn't mean I won't be hoping that Bosa will light it up from one side, freeing up the monster in Groot on the other side while Ogunjobi and Oliver collapse the pocket. Hey, it's the offseason!
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4 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:
That means we're getting Asante Samuel Jr.
Isn't he a poor tackler?
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1 hour ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:
I’d imagine it’s backup money, but I love him as the third safety. Who knows, maybe he earns another starting job.
How about a fourth safety? I like him on the roster in case of an emergency, but not the first one in when (not if) Rapp injures himself or Bishop. Having him back there is like a huge marquee blinking "Throw! Throw! Throw!"
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4 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:
Well that’s just false. Players are not coins - their injuries are not independent events. He was overused in SD and seems a bit … muscly. If the league agreed with your theory he would’ve gotten a $100m deal.Well, yeah, anyone is going to be injury prone if overused, and a player can be more susceptible to injury if he's too small for the position, like Bernard. I'm just objecting to the superstition that so often gets attached to the designation. A player could just be unlucky with a series of unrelated injuries, yet he'll be lumped in with the Bernards and Milanos who are punching above the weight class and whose bodies can't take the punishment.
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"Injury prone" is a fallacy if applied to future prospects. Yes, Bosa has been injury prone, but that doesn't mean he will continue to be., as long as he's healed up. Why would he be more likely to hurt his ankle or back or shoulder than any other player? Because he's unlucky? That's voodoo talk. For all we know, he could be the healthiest player in the league going forward.
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Picking at the end of every round is hard, but Beane hasn't shown much imagination. For example, in 2021, I wanted him to draft Creed Humphrey even though he had Mitch Morse, and take a flyer on the injured Trey Smith in the fifth or sixth round. Similarly, this year I want him to take Shannon Revel in the first round. He would have been one of the first cornerbacks taken, but he got injured last year and is still recovering. Sign Rasul or Dane Jackson for a year to let Revel recover and develop, and voila, you have one of the best young CB tandems in the league in 2026, and maybe sooner.
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Keep your own, just like Marv always said. Still plenty of cap space for Bedford and Cook, too, sounds like. Nice work, Beane--and McDermott. Their job building a team and culture that players want to stay part of is paying off off the field as well as on it.
Well, looks like the draft will be have to be the difference between AFCG and Super Bowl next year. With ten picks to work with, Beane has capital to get creative. Cornerback has become a yawning chasm with the decline of Rasul and the undeniable bust that is Elam. It would be nice to have Dane Jackson back as a CB3, but the CB2 probably is going to have to be first-round draft pick. In a deep DL draft, Beane can pick up his DE and DT in the second round. A speed WR in fourth, if the pick survives Beane's itchy trade-up finger, a safety with the other fourth.
Sounds good, but let's be honest, the pass rush won't be much better, the secondary will be deeper but still not stellar, the linebackers a pair of injuries waiting to happen, and the wide receiver room still as bland as ever. Best case scenario: Bishop shines, the new CB2 is a home run, Rousseau becomes a monster playing on his natural side (with Von gone), Milano and Bernard finally stay healthy, and either Coleman or Palmer is a revelation.
If all these pieces fall into place (and everyone stays healthy), they...could....go... all... the...way!
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7 hours ago, MWK said:
Daquan Jones was good. That’s about it.
And Floyd.
Beane doing what he does best, just filling out the team. He doesn't do as well with splash signings or early draft picks, but let him cook with his own ingredients at his own pace, and Josh will take care of the rest, provided that McDermott continues to stay out of his way. That will get them to the AFCC. To get to the Super Bowl? McDermott will need to get out of Babich's way, too.
Has Cook talked himself OFF the Bills for 2025
in The Stadium Wall
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People his age, especially men, are often surprisingly immature. They look like adults but have the mind of a 14-year old. Best advice for him would be to keep his mouth shut and let his agent do the talking. Beane said it all when he remarked, "I love James. I know he means well." Translation: "The guy is an idiot, but I'll try not to hold it against him."