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1 hour ago, 2003Contenders said:
I've always likened that 2008 draft in which Stevie was drafted out of Kentucky as an almost after-thought in the 7th round -- but became a much more significant part of the team than the higher profile (and unfortunately late) James Hardy, who was drafted early in the 2nd round -- to what happened in 2022 when the Bills whiffed on Elam late in the 1st but made up for it by landing Benford in the 6th.
Regardless of how you view him after all these years, one thing is for certain: Stevie certainly way out-played his draft position.
You can throw John McCargo and Kyle Williams into the same bucket.
1 hour ago, FireChans said:5 games for 15 catches and 185 yards is 3 catches for 37 yards average per game.
Thats making a CB look like trash?
Who said he made Revis look like trash? That's massive hyperbole. It's more accurate to say that Revis didn't shut Stevie down the way Revis did most #1 WR options at that time. I.e., Stevie had some success against Revis, whereas plenty of better overall WRs had NO success against Revis.
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4 hours ago, boyst said:
I think we can sweep all 3.
Miami: Miami took a few steps back for all the steps forward. They have the second best roster in the AFCE
new England: sneaky good roster, a chance to succeed with Maye but a sophomore slump is always expected with a NFL QB that isn't a pure blue chip. I could see them during it out with us but their defense can't stop cook and Josh
NJ Jets: a team we could overlook that could be a disruptive underdog. If anyone is going to pull off the sweep of us it is them because they're as likely as anyone. The defense is what does it.
I can't see a world where we lose both or lose the AFCE. I did last year but think we are better against the AFCE this year despite being stronger against the league last year.
I also expect a fair bit of chest puffing if NE starts anywhere near half-decent. Maybe more from their fans than the team, but guess what? Like 30% of national sports media are Boston fans. Any chest puffing will make its way to McD/Allen, and they tend to take that personally. -
22 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:
If Tre White makes the 53 to be a one year player/coach/mentor and the Bills lose a promising Dorian Strong, for example, as a result, by failing to sneak him onto the PS, then that's poor, short-sighted roster mismanagement. Tre, as others have noted, should be a PS handshake (IF he shows consistent limitations in camp). They could guarantee him a couple call-ups and some likely-to-hit escalators perhaps? However, might be a bunch of dead cap involved in cutting him? (2.2M guaranteed, so...)
Best case is clearly Tre enjoying a comeback season that sees him make the roster and provide valuable depth and subpackage snaps throughout the season while Hairston, Hancock, and Strong also flash when tested. (Hancock might not be relevant to this specific convo.)
1. I agree Hancock isn’t relevant - I think he’s competing against Cam Lewis, J. Ingram, and backup safeties.
2. I think Tre is really competing against Dane Jackson for a roster spot. If he’s good enough to earn that spot, he’ll be competing against Hairston to start.
3. I’ll go on record and say two things. First, we will not cut Dorian Strong this year. (Maybe he goes on IR, so I won’t proclaim that he makes the team.) Second, Tre White makes the team if healthy - meaning he isn’t cut or traded prior to week 1. If I’m wrong on either, you have my permission to dunk on me. I will accept it with shame.
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On 6/14/2025 at 8:24 PM, NoSaint said:
ironically, I think you have it backwards. Coleman is younger but has a more measurable physical ceiling which is going to make what we need from him very hard to accomplish.
Dalton on the other hand is at a position that often takes longer to master AND for which he has high end physical traits.
it’s going to be tough to push chips in on either til we see it but dalton seems incredibly more likely to become that guy
Interesting take. I disagree but I’m open to be convinced otherwise. From memory, I think Coleman’s non-40 measurables were pretty good, and I don’t recall Kincaid’s being crazy exceptional. I agree that generally TE is a slower-developing position than WR. But the other factor to me is age. Coleman is what, 3-4 years younger than Kincaid? That’s a big difference, both in terms of athleticism and development.
Athleticism: Pro athlete-level men don’t usually peak athletically till somewhere in the mid 20s. Coleman probably (not definitely) has more room to grow athletically.
Development: Again, granted that TE is slower to develop on average. But Coleman has a lot less time on task at his position, and a lot less football experience in general since he was more basketball-focused until recently.
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Depends on who you ask. I’m not super active on the board, but I’ve seen a LOT more people writing Coleman off than people expecting him to break out.
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13 hours ago, stevewin said:
Regarding the McD rookie/vet playing discussion - one thing he emphasized in one of last week's PCs is not putting someone out there if their "teammates don't trust him". A reminder that there are things factored in that we as fans don't necessarily know anything about.
Great point. It’s easy for us fans to just say “play the young guy, he’ll get better”, but if his teammates don’t trust him, that’s causing extra problems beyond just one rookie making mistakes.
In a similar vein, there is a case for a Tre White or similar to make the roster as a backup over a better-below-the-neck young guy. Because we know Tre is a phenomenal locker room guy, and he came in with no expectations of starting.
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24 minutes ago, Brand J said:
Parrino is the second reporter to say the Bills drafted two corners in round 1 and 6, completely ignoring Jordan Hancock. Does this mean he’s been getting most of his time at safety? Or are they not counting nickel CB?
The Bills, at least, seem to consider NCB and boundary CB as different positions, and also seem to think NCB and S are a lot closer to each other than either is to boundary CB. We've seen a number of S/NCB depth guys - Siran Neal and Cam Lewis both come to mind - but very few boundary/nickel depth guys. Jamarcus Ingram is about the only one, and even then he's only played on the boundary when there was no one else available. Both Neal and Lewis have also filled in at boundary CB, but only when there were multiple injuries in the same game.
My guess is that Parrino has internalized that after a number of years covering this team, and was meaning "boundary corners" specifically. Also worth noting: Parrino isn't allowed to report on where players are lining up, but he is able to witness it and remember. It's possible that Hancock has been practicing exclusively at S all spring. If that's the case, Parrino would probably not think of him as any kind of corner at this point.
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2 hours ago, BigAl2526 said:
It certainly seems like Specter would be expendable in the minds of Beane and McDermott. Andreeson was a pleasant surprise, but whether or not he's good enough to depend on in the case of an extended injury to Bernard, I don't know, and I'm not sure anyone here does know. Ulofoshio is even more of a mystery. Apart from being on the short side, he has good measurables, but his scouting report stated he lacks speed and instincts. He barely got on the field on defense as a rookie with 4 total tackles. My guess is the Bills won't expect much from him in 2025. He needs to show a lot of growth in the mental aspect of playing professional defense before he's a factor in anything but special teams.
Agree with this. LB is one of the few spots where I could see us in the market for a veteran cut. Spector gets hurt every year and is in the last year of his deal, so they won’t hesitate to move on if they think a fading vet will be an upgrade this season. Bernard getting hurt is probably the biggest risk on the defense. Plus there could be a slight trade market for Spector - meaning maybe you get a low 7th rounder for him instead of cutting him outright.
I have no idea if this Bungles guy would be an upgrade over Spector in 2025, but if any of the Football Knowers on the board have a take, please weigh in.
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2 hours ago, Bills!Win! said:
Since it’s the time of year for offseason topics, what are some Bills games that still haunt you that you will never rewatch? NFL network is always showing replays. When the following games come on I turn my head or throw up. To this day I have never rewatched the following as they are too painful to relive.
Bill Titans wildcard - January 2000Bills Cowboys - MNF October 2007
Bills Browns - MNF November 2008
Bills Patriots - MNF September 2009
Bills Chiefs Divisional - January 2022
Bills Bengals Divisional - January 2023
Bills Broncos - MNF November 2023
Bills Chiefs Divisional - January 2024
Bills Chiefs Championship - January 2024
Just about every other game since 2000 I have watched highlights or rewatched a condensed version at some point.
What are yours?
I don't generally re-watch a lot of games, and pretty much never re-watch losses. So for me, the list is more about which painful losses I HAVE re-watched. There are a few:
-All 4 Super Bowls (I think; I was pretty young and maybe just rewatched 1 or 2 of them)
-Bills/Titans wildcard Jan 2000, aka Music City Miracle. Really hit home how bad Rob Johnson was prior to the final drive. I also spent a LOT of time obsessing over whether the 'lateral' itself went forward or not.
-Bills/Chiefs divisional Jan 2022, aka 13 Seconds - but I should disclose that I haven't rewatched anything that came after Gabe's final TD.
2 hours ago, Ned Flanders said:I know its gotten rave reviews, but I refuse to watch The Four Falls of Buffalo.
Same. Any time it's come up, I tell people "I don't need to watch it; I lived it." I hear from reliable sources (Bills fans and non-Bills fans) that it's great, and I have no problem recommending it to other people. If we ever win a Super Bowl, maybe then I'll watch it, who knows?
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On 6/3/2025 at 12:24 PM, TFBillsfan said:
It’s a slow time of the year for the NFL, so I thought I throw out the following topic.
With the start of our home opener against the Ravens less than 100 days away, what offensive or defensive philosophy or scheme changes are you hoping to see from the Bills for the upcoming season?
Offense: More effectiveness when running 2 TEs. I'd also like to see more of a multifaceted gameplan, at least for the playoffs. What I mean is that we have Plan A, then we anticipate how the defense will adjust to stop Plan A, and Plan B is there to take advantage of that defensive adjustment.
Defense: More multiplicity. In McD's early years, we had a lot more of guys moving around the formation and offenses not knowing what looks we were going to run. Lorenzo Alexander was particularly key in that regard. But the last few years, there's been less disguising and especially less-effective disguising. I don't know the stats, but it feels like ages since one of our zone blitzes or delayed blitzes resulted in a free rusher. Personnel-wise, we need guys to be better at defeating blocks. But scheme-wise, we need to be better at confusing the offense. This is extra important against good QBs who can get the ball out quickly and accurately.
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7 hours ago, GunnerBill said:
Totally disagree.
I want the Bills to win a Superbowl. It isn't the "only thing that matters" to me as a fan. Enjoying watching them play matters. Enjoying wins matters. The journey matters. It's the climb.
That might not be how fandom is for you.... but I am definitely not lying. It is how fandom is for me.
Thank you. By the “only a Super Bowl matters” logic, none of us should ever watch a regular season game. Or playoff game pre-Super Bowl, for that matter. Just show up for the one game that matters. That would free up a lot of my time, but I don’t think it would enhance my life.
And again - yeah, I very much want the Bills to win a Super Bowl in my lifetime. (Preferably if it’s also in my dad’s lifetime.) But while the end of each season in the Allen era has been rough, the first and the middle parts have been great. Watching these teams week in and week out has been a true joy and an absolute delight.
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I love it! I’ll be watching.
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2 hours ago, Paup 1995MVP said:
Thank you for expounding on what I said. Hamlin’s score seems very mediocre, at best. And Lewis far below that. They are solid football players. But we need better athletes, who are good football players to win at the highest level. Hopefully the new additions in the secondary will provide that.
Do you know what the 3 new DB’s RAS scores are?
Hairston: INCOMPLETE, but on pace for 9.63 pending agility drills. (And based on his highlights, he probably would've done well on the agility drills.)
Hancock: 9.82 - and that's at CB. Likely would be even higher at S if that's where he winds up.
Strong: 8.34
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11 minutes ago, TBBills Fan said:
We are asking the wrong question.
The real question is how do Kincaid's calves compare to Deone Walkers calves?
I think we’ll have to wait for the Swimsuit Competition to find out. Is that in OTAs or training camp this year?-
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50 minutes ago, DCofNC said:
Why is everyone all excited about a guy that was a bottom of the barrel signing? He’s the Andy Isabella of Safeties. If he proves me wrong, great. If he gets cut for Hamlin, don’t be shocked.
My two cents: because Jordan Poyer was in a fairly similar boat when we first signed him.-
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22 hours ago, KingBoots8 said:
Here they are. Hope Prather is secretly amazing - I miss seeing some of the older jersey numbers being used
https://www.buffalobills.com/photos/jersey-numbers-for-bills-2025-rookie-draft-class
Yes! Finally an area where I can weigh in as an expert. Here's my rankings:
- Jackson #94 - A+. Scorching. One of the best EDGE numbers, should look great on him, and I don't mind the connection to the Aaron Schobel legacy.
- Hancock #37 - A+. Oh my, yes. The Nate Odomes Classic is one of the best numbers for the secondary. It works great for boundary CBs, nickel CBs, and safeties. Which also fits well with Hancock, since he'll probably play a bit of everywhere early in his career.
- Prather #81 - A+. Great fit for a fairly tall deep threat WR who isn't super fast. Just looks right. Great choice, Kaden - no notes.
- Hawes #85 - A+. Excellent choice for a blocking TE. I would've also accepted 87 or 88.
- Hairston #31 - A. Solid number, although I wouldn't have minded a number in the 20s for such a fast guy. I'm somewhat of an old curmudgeon on numbers, but I think Hairston could also pull off single digits. Still, 31 should be a nice fit for his frame, and I like that we don't have a lot of prominent #31 already. Opportunity for Hairston to own that number.
- Walker #96 - A. I was worried he'd try for a single-digit number like in college, which would've been an absolute disaster on his giant frame. (Zero was salvageable because of roundness, but Keon has that locked down already.) A giant like Walker needs a number that won't make him look silly. This might have been the best options available - I think only 99 would be real competition.
- Lundt #77 - A-. Good fit for his frame; those 7s look good on a tall and lean guy. Very solid choice! I tend to prefer 77 as a defensive number, but it'll look good on a RT as well. Note that my rating will drop to a B+ if Lundt moves inside to G.
- Sanders #98 - B. I don't love 98 for a quick, penetrating DT, but it's not awful. Would've preferred most other options in the 90s, but at least it's not in the 70s or something gross like that. The 70s are for DEs, not for DTs.
- Strong #43 - C-. I'm sorry, but 43 is a safety's number. Unless he's planning to switch positions, I can't get behind this.
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6 hours ago, BigDingus said:
Remember when we used to complain about the lack of prime time games?
Now we miss 1:00 starts (12:00 CST). Ah, the bad ol' days.
For the record, I never complained about the lack of prime time games. One of the few nice aspects of the drought was having nearly every game be Sunday 1pm Eastern.
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1 hour ago, MikePJ76 said:
The bills do need cook to win.
He won't get the 15 million he asked for but why does he get so much hate and ignorance for asking for it. He is worth a lot. He is a fantastic weapon.
He accounted for 19 touchdowns last year and helped set up a bunch more he didn't get to touch the ball on and punch it in.
Cook rushed for 272 yards in the playoffs, 15 runs were for first downs and he scored 3 td's one which was in incredible play vs KC. Important to note they played three of the best defenses in the league in the playoffs in Denver, Baltimore and KC.
People acting like he is some bum who can be replaced by anybody in the 6th round will be the first ones to complain when he is gone the big plays from the running game go bye bye.
Cook is a tough prospect for armchair GMs, because he's clearly a tier below the truly elite guys, which last year was Barkley & Henry, but he's also good enough that he's very hard to replace. Contrast that with Singletary, who was (and is) a good NFL RB, but ultimately doesn't give you much more than a guy off the street.
A lot of those runs where Cook got into the secondary untouched weren't just due to the O-line. It was also Cook using his vision to pick the right hole, then using his elite acceleration to burst through before the defense could get there. We've seen a ton of outside runs the last couple years where Cook just turned on the jets and was able to turn the corner on the edge defender. They didn't all go for long runs, but every one of those was a significant swing for the Bills. Turning a potential -1 to 1 yard play into a 7 yard play makes a big difference, especially when it keeps going our way over and over.
In summary, I would love to have Cook back beyond this year. I'm also weary of paying money to any RB, and extra weary of paying Cook elite money when he's been a step shy of elite. I'm hoping that he balls out this year, and either we re-sign him longterm, or we get some real compensation for him in like a tag-and-trade scenario. (By which I mean something better than a 3rd-round comp pick in 2027.)
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1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:
Yea I think I heard both Joe Marino and Sal speculate about his spot on the roster this week. Maybe they are right and I am wrong but I think he is a lock to get some time early at a rotational 1T and if he is somewhat effective when the NFL releases the Beane Two after week 6 I think there is a chance they could move on from Daquan Jones unless he is really back to form.
I've heard some of the same speculation, and I'm with you on Carter. From the way Beane was talking in post-draft, it sounds like Carter is going to "move" to primarily 1tech instead of primarily 3tech. Sanders and Ogunjobi are primarily 3techs, per Beane. Walker is a little different in that he played more 3tech in college but it sounds like the Bills want him to play more 1tech for them, maybe. But in any case, they need at least 2 guys capable of adequately playing 1tech on early downs. If Carter just bombs out, then sure he might be cut. I don't see that as super likely, and frankly it's bad business to cut a 3rd-round pick in year 2 unless you're certain he can't play.
Regarding Jones, any cap implications if he's cut in week 6? His salary would be guaranteed by then, so Pegula would have to eat that, but that aspect doesn't impact the cap.
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1 minute ago, hondo in seattle said:
Setting aside the pros and cons of signing him, do we really need another Gabe Davis thread?
Just for that, I'm starting another one.
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5 minutes ago, jkeerie said:
To me, Babich has to be better at DC. Maybe he didn't have the players last year, so this year there can be no excuses.
And he *should* be better. Last year was his first year on the job and I expect him to have learned some things.
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2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:
They are working on stacking picks. This article is before the 3rd for Pickens: https://steelerswire.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/steelers/2025/05/02/2026-nfl-draft-steelers-updated-pick-projections-for-next-year/83408057007/. They can use those 3rds and 4ths to move up the board. Maybe they can get 2 2nds and still have a 3rd. Their own first, which could be early, 2 2nds and a 3rd may be enough for them to move up and secure their QB in a much better QB class.
I suspect that they get a 2 and a little more for Watt. My buddy is there and thinks they should get whatever they can for Watt. He thinks he’s about to fall off a cliff.
Interesting! Did he say why he thinks that?
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12 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:
I think he does over a short enough distance.
Big if true.
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On 5/5/2025 at 12:09 AM, GunnerBill said:
They've already paid him and there is no way of getting out of it until after the 2027 season. I hate the big trade up slightly less than you for that exact reason. They don't need those picks for a QB. Lawrence is their guy for at least the next 3 seasons. If they see Hunter as a receiver first then it's kind of a final swing at the fences in terms of putting the pieces around Trevor to help him succeed. It might be throwing more assets at an already sunk cost but if the QB is no good they are not gonna be a good team the next 3 years anyway.
My take is a little different: I think they're taking a swing at having a real superstar for once, and being relevant. No one cares about the Jags. No one's ever cared about the Jags. Trevor Lawrence is a good(?) QB, but not cool enough to be a major star without major wins. Hunter is potentially the coolest player in a long time. And as a bonus, he's from Georgia and appears happy to be playing close to home. A potential superstar who actually wants to be there? That could be a game changer for a franchise like Jacksonville.
If Hunter makes it as a two-way player in any meaningful capacity, he will be the favorite player of a whole generation of young fans. And it could work on-field as well. I assume the plan is for Hunter to shore up the pass defense at CB and be functionally the WR2 to BTJ on offense. (I know the GM has said they're going to lead with WR and ease him into defense. In the interview I watched, that sounded like an onboarding plan with the goal of Hunter playing both ways this year and beyond.)
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Name a random Bills player and one thing you remember about them
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The Condo! Nicknamed as such because he was even bigger than 'House' Ballard. IIRC, we played a very early overseas game - in Germany maybe? And at some pre-game PR event, the locals requested not the biggest stars, but the biggest players. We sent House and Condo.