Albany,n.y.

He lied about his age for years until Rick Telander outed him in SI.

It was 5 tds 17 ints according to the 1986 Bills' media guide. He also was cut during the season, so it really wasn't the worst season for a starting QB, maybe the worst part season for a Bills starting QB.

My basic premise is that the 2 guys currently standing plain out suck. The problem is Nall will be playing catch-up due to his lost time with the injury. As a result, one will be the loser of the 2 man battle. The other will stink out the place in the 1st 2 games. By the time of the home opener, Nall will be put in as the starter because he will be healthy and had not yet proven that he's any worse a choice than Losman or Holcomb. I'll explain a little further than I have so far: By the end of pre-season, I suspect that Levy & Jauron will have basically given up on JP. He'll be on the roster because as a result of the salary cap, he's too expensive to cut since most of his cap $ are his signing bonus, not his 2006 salary. By the end of game 2, Jauron will have had enough of Holcomb. Since the premise is JP has been tossed aside, the only possibility to replace Holcomb is Nall. The only possible QB of the future will be Nall. Nall will be installed with the idea of the team finding out if they have a QB or not. The most important thing to remember is that of the 3 QBs only Nall was chosen by the current administration. This is not a merry go round scenario. It is the team choosing to find out if Nall, the guy they brought in because of their lack of faith in Losman & Holcomb, can do the job they thought he could when he was signed. Nall will start as long as he's healthy enough to play. JP will be gone by next season.

Has to be Marangi. The people called for him from the stands. When he finally played, he basically cut himself.

What you have said is basically my point. The way things are going, JP has been too erratic to be considered starting material. After about 2 weeks of Holcomb, I think Dick & Marv will feel 1) We can't win now with Holcomb 2) We'll never win with JP. 3) Let's give the ball to the one QB that we (Dick & Marv) brought in & see if it's even possible to win now. If not, "win now" is not possible, suck it up, we won't get fired going 2-14 and rebuild within a year or 2. Just because you want to win now, doesn't make it possible if you don't have a NFL caliber starting QB. I have no idea on Nall, but Dick & Marv thought enough of him to give him a chance to compete for the starter's job. I think at some point they'll turn to him as the starter, my guess, and it is a guess, is that time will be after the first 2 games with the record 0-2.

The way camp is going, our only hope at QB might be the one not sucking-the one not playing.

From what I've read, so far, Holcomb & Losman are not doing anything to inspire confidence in camp. The way I see it, it doesn't matter who plays better, because better of two losers isn't really better than nothing. Due to his injury, I doubt Nall will be able to win the starter's job by opening day. On the other hand, if the opening day starter is truly (as I believe it is) the lesser of two evils, the guy who doesn't start is basically considered as not NFL starting material. I see the 1st two games as the starting QB getting exposed. Heading into the home opener, the staff, seeing the team is headed nowhere with the "winner" of Losman/Holcomb as the starter, and the loser deemed not capable of starting, turn to Nall, who is healthy and has finally caught from the lost camp time. In the best case scenario, Nall will lead the team to victory, start a winning streak and be the QB for the future. Worst case scenario is Nall sucks too. Losman/Holcomb "loser" is given a shot after Nall bombs and if it's JP and he fails, the Bills draft a QB in 2007 with their top pick.

Brilliant-lets get nothing for having the 8th pick in the whole friggin draft! Definitely a candidate for worst topic of the year.

With Bennie in Miami, our scraps are a meal for the Dolphins

Counting his 2 years in the USFL, Jim Kelly performed very well on a 4-12 team as a 3rd year QB. Everyone knew they were a team on the rise and 2 years later they won 12 games & the division before the refs gave them no chance in the AFC Championship game at Cincinnati. I still remember horrible calls on our secondary and the phantom face mask call when Bruce Smith sacked Boomer by grabbing his jersey and pulling him down and the ref called facemask 15 yds 1st down. I think this team is ahead of the 1986 Bills talentwise and we already got rid of a meathead coach for an Ivy Leaguer, so if JP performs well we'll be at least 8-8. I didn't choose any of the above, because the Super Bowl was not on the list. I could care less if the team makes the playoffs and does a quick exit like the Jimmy Johnson Dolphins did. Getting embarrassed in a playoff game is worse than 2-14, because at least 2-14 can get you the top pick. Imagine the Super Bowl teams without Bruce Smith. Now think how much fun it was watching Miami get their @ss kicked 62-7 in JJs last game. I never want to be on the receiving end of 62-7 because my team was just good enough to "make the playoffs".

That's because every time a QB comes out of college & is drafted in the 1st round, people on this board declare him a bust. I'm sure if we checked the archives every successful QB in the NFL was called a bust by someone on this board. The latest whipping boy is Matt Leinart. A few posters have said he'll bust-I think they're being ridiculous. Can you imagine if this board was around in 1983? 1st they would have gone ballistic when Elway refused to play with the Colts-I'm sure the bust word would have been applied numerous times to Elway. No doubt the board would have crashed & burned the day Jim Kelly signed with the Houston Gamblers. That day, he would have been declared a damaged armed bust by those who got in before they crashed the place.

I've seen camp reports indicating JP is staying in the pocket & not running like last year, when he'd take off at a moments notice. I think the answer is a lot simpler than JP's matured that much since last year. I think the answer is last year Mularkey, Clements & Wyche encouraged JP to use his mobility & run a lot. This year, I think he's been instructed not to run around like last year. It's the coaching! It's that simple-this year's coaches actually want to keep JP in one piece and use more high percentage plays than last year's group who thought they were too smart for their own good. I think the coaching change is very similar to when Marv took over for Hank Bullough, out with the stupid, in with the Ivy Leaguer.

Let's see, December 31st, winter. Choice of tailgate-indoors, outdoors. Did I mention it's winter? Seems like a slam dunk to me which one to go to. I hope that Glenn's groups see the benefits of indoors vs outdoors & consolidate into the Sliders tailgate. I'll probably leave about noon anyway because I want to get into the stadium early.

He's not eligible for PUP-wrong list. Physically Unable to Perform...more like Fiscally Unable to Perform.

Just wanted to be the 1st to post this Seriously, anyone who thinks we'll be so bad that we'll have the top pick in the draft, we can't sign #8. What's going to happen if we get #1?

Thanks for all the info re tailgate, I assume at some point we break up & go into the stadium. Where I'm staying isn't the Sheraton yet, I heard they're taking it over & renovating. It's listed as 6 blocks from Camden Yards, it's north of there, so I'm guessing it's 8 blocks from M&T. The hotel reviews were pretty bad on the internet, but I got the whole package-flights Saturday & Sunday & the hotel for $285.50 so I figured as long as I survive the night I'll be ok. Do you know if I can bring dirty laundry & stuff into the stadium? I'm going straight to the airport after the game. If not I might wear same shirt & pants as Saturday & toss the rest.

Is The Block good or bad? I'm guessing it's where the hookers hang out.

Anyone going to the Bills game on 12/31, Tailgaiting? What's the quickest way to get to BWI after the game-train or cab? I've got about 2 hours before my flight leaves. Is the hotel I'm staying at, Wyndham Baltimore-Inner Harbor 101 W. Fayette St. as bad a dump as some internet reviewers say & will Sheraton renovations by December help, or is the neighborhood bad too? How's the Harbor area in December? Any other suggestions for a Saturday in Baltimore with no car?

A young QB can succeed because it's the coach who has to back him up and let him play regardless of fans reactions, mostly on the internet. I was at all the home games & never heard massive anti JP feelings in the crowd. He wasn't booed, nor did I hear calls for Holcomb when JP was in there. IT WAS THE COACH WHO WENT APOPLECTIC, NOT THE FANS! He's gone, so yes, a hotshot rookie can succeed. By the way, Leinart isn't any later to camp than Whitner, and remember-Leinart is negotiating with Arizona, a team with a history of high profile holdouts.

Maybe he will, good thing Mike Mularkey isn't his head coach, because he'd be benched for the season if Mularkey was: Jets | Clemens struggles with starting team Sun, 30 Jul 2006 14:36:29 -0700 Rich Cimini, of the New York Daily News, reports New York Jets QB Kellen Clemens struggled with the No. 1 offense during practice Sunday, July 30. Clemens struggled in 11-on-11 drills where he threw an interception to FS Kerry Rhodes, the second time in training camp where he failed to read the safety which resulted in an interception. He also had two passes knocked down at the line of scrimmage.

I didn't know Royals was that good when we signed him.

So now he's only 20 lbs overweight instead of 50 something

I don't think Davis has a prayer of making the team. Evans, Price, Reed, & Parrish are locks. The battle is for 5th and possibly 6th receiver. Why keep a veteran with a 1 year contract over someone younger with potential who you're locked into if he pans out for at least 3-4 seasons? The odds are against Smith, but they're a lot better than for Davis.

From KFFL: Jets | Clemens struggles with deep ball Sat, 29 Jul 2006 23:43:01 -0700 Dave Hutchinson, of the Newark Star-Ledger, reports New York Jets QB Kellen Clemens struggled with the deep ball during practice Saturday, July 29. The deep ball is one of Clemens' major weaknesses. The Jets used a 2nd rounder on a QB with a weak arm, they already have a QB with a weak arm

Yes, they keep bugging me to change internet service. First they send mail, then they call. It's a little annoying and since I have their phone service, I can't use do not call on them.