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It is certainly TIME TO PANIC!!
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3 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:
So we waited for our pick all night and now we'll trade back and have to wait overnight
Yes and you're going to like it. SO much better than picking 10-15 and being done at this point.
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Marvin Harrison Jr., Ohio State - Ari
Rome Odunze, Washington - NYG
Ladd McConkey, Georgia - NE
Brian Thomas Jr., LSU - Buf
Xavier Worthy Texas- KC
Bonus Bills pick - Brian Thomas Jr
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49 minutes ago, Brandon said:
They'd be better off keeping it. It's probably going to be a top 40 pick next year, and while valuable in it's own right, you could also package it next year and have two 1st round picks or one pick near the top 10. Sure, you have to wait a year, but that's worth way more than 3rd round trade value this year, IMO.
I see your point, but I could see Beane being aggressive in that particular scenario (no wr in the first) where he has certain guys he would like to get in the second round, similar to his normal trade up "had to get him" scenario. With dumping Diggs, I do think we need a guy at wr to help us win this year and I think that 2 might be used to get someone, either in the first or second round this year. If he does get a wr who can help this year in the first round, the pick next year doesn't provide the same value for us. Just my 2 cents.
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20 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:
Look at the pick value chart and tell me how the Bills are getting from 60 to say 45 using 4th, 5th and/or 6th round picks.
It is not happening.
I think if they don't get a receiver they like at 28, the Diggs 2025 pick gives them some capital to work with.
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1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:
I’ve had this weird feeling that they were going into the top 10 for a while. I thought that when Diggs was here. If I thought it then, I can’t change now that the need is greater. I can’t shake Beane press conference when he talked about how “he would love a Ja’marr Chase but hopes to never finish bad enough to draft one.” To me, I think that he looks at it as, “swing big on a star WR” and avoid paying that giant bill for 5 years. You can allocate that savings, moving forward to pass rush or whatever. The rising cost of elite receivers makes this the right time to swing big.
I guess I kind of think the opposite of this. The time for me to burn draft picks would have been while Josh was in his lower cap years. We kind of need the picks to hit now to manage the finances unfortunately. In the low cap hit years we are able to grab a Von Miller type player or two, now there is less overhead and more reliance on smaller vet contracts coming in. I am thinking he is going to try and leverage Josh's talent as much as possible and I thought it was an interesting point when he said he needs a selfless guy in this offense. Not sure if the top guys are that, but that's just because of my ignorance. I'm guessing they have identified a few guys who fit the mold they're looking for and I wouldn't be surprised if they're 2nd and lower round guys.
The big swing, if taken, will be a deviation from Beane's normal mantra. Will be interesting to see if he is feeling a little pressure to dump some future resources into this year. I thought it was awesome when he positioned us to not give up any future picks when moving up for josh/Edmunds and I think it just underscores his natural aversion to giving the next years picks up. Always room for a tendency breaker though. Can't wait to see on Thursday.
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3 hours ago, NORWOODS FOOT said:
I haven’t read every post yet, but I’d like to see this broken down by:
1) who made the pick
2) round they mad it in
3 position they picked
I think if we are going to pay attention to trends we should see the variance between decision makers first.
Polian vs Whaley for example: you wouldn’t just lump them together and draw a meaningful conclusion.
You'd also have to consider the coaching staff dynamic as well. Here in Pittsburgh drafting changed when Cowher left and Tomlin came in.
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I liken drafting to picking stocks. There are a lot of professionals out there doing it, but some are better than others. It just depends on what is valued by the evaluator and if those traits are the determining factors in success.
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3 hours ago, GoBills808 said:
So my thoughts on Diggs writ large-
I'm very willing to be accused of kicking the guy on his way out because I believed this was inevitable and frankly should have happened last year after it was obvious he wanted out. personally, it's not fun rooting for your second best player when he doesn't want to be on the team anymore. I don't think that's so outrageous altho the amount of apparent new Texans/CJ Stroud fans here would suggest otherwise😂😂
Of course I don't love the state of the WR room rn but I didn't love it last year, so to be too upset over losing a guy who couldn't make a play on the same ball vs the same DB Allen threw for a pick in London that Nico Collins mossed the guy...whether is was desire or ability doesn't really matter anymore imo. He wasn't making the plays we needed and his yearly postseason disappearing act capped by that drop will be my lasting memory of his time here. If I could I'd change my vote to good luck in Dallas 2 seasons from now
I think Diggs' real goal is KC, hence the conversion to a one year contract. I think beyond that the Texans just worked for him this year.
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For me it will be interesting to see what Beane does this year with regards to moving up. We have moved into the Josh Allen cap years so I assume he will be less aggressive in the first day and probably the second. Not having the third this year does restrict him somewhat and while possible he could spend some 2025 capital this year instead but I wouldn't bet on it.
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I'm hoping he will get 3-4 dump offs a game. He can be Josh's go to target instead of running. I'd rather have Knox pass blocking instead of a rb but we'll see what Brady cooks up this year.
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17 hours ago, SCBills said:
Maybe for Pick 47
Yeah, 28 for 47 and 70 if the NYG like a qb or maybe an OT on the board at that time seems more likely.
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6 hours ago, Brandon said:
They weren't counting on needing it. That miss on Basham really screwed up the depth. They'd likely have a mid round developmental guy or two on the roster from the last few drafts if not for that.
Considering the value of a pass rusher I don't see that as an excuse. In fact, I'm assuming they weren't thinking long term with Boogie well before they traded him. I think you're right, Boogie precluded them from having room for a mid round guy. I'm talking someone like Jarvis was, a long shot, maybe even an international guy or a udfa. Just to try and make use of the environment to hit it big. As opposed to a jag wr or lb.
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6 hours ago, Matt_In_NH said:
Brave putting the bolded on this forum :). I agree for the most part, I do want them to invest a 1 or 2 in a WR though, mostly for the future rather than this upcoming year.
I want to win a super bowl next year. I understand the wr thought process, it's just a question of when and to what degree a wr can help. I want the help this year, don't care about the future while we have Josh, have to be worried about 2024.
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21 hours ago, BarleyNY said:
I hope Wilson is good enough this season that the Stillers pay him large and he keeps Fields on the bench. Then next season I hope Fields moves on to the NFC where he finds success while Wilson totally implodes.
I think it's 1.2 million for Wilson from the Steelers, the Broncos will be paying him $37 million regardless of how Russ plays.
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1 minute ago, Brandon said:
At 28, maybe, but I wouldn't move up for a player with his injury history.
I'd rather not draft a DE in R1, though. I can understand the interest in finding an elite pass rusher, but ignoring the high bust rate, the odds of that outside the top 10 are poor. You're probably just going to find another guy who averages 6-8 sacks per season. Plus, they have quite a bit of cap space invested in Miller and Epenesa over the next 2 years, plus a contract extension likely for Rousseau in the same time frame. I think they'd be better off throwing a couple of those 4th and 5th rounders at the position (or adding a 30+ veteran after June 1st) and re-evaluate in the next offseason.
I always thought with Von on the roster (as a teacher) and our DL rotation that we should have been able to convince a raw DE specimen or two to be on the practice squad. I've been disappointed we haven't been able to find guys like that.
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Couple things on this - I think Wilson, Fields and Allen is better straight up and has more upside than Pickett, Trubisky and Rudolph.
Tomlin is looking at Wilson as the leading guy now:
The Steelers D (when Watt is healthy) doesn't need a lot of help. They had some ilb injuries last year that hurt them also. To Tomlin's credit, he does seem to have a knack for keeping the team on course. He has also handled many personalities in the past, so I don't know if pre-madonna Russ is going to be as large a problem as he has in the past couple of years. The Steelers have an established culture and the players to back it up, so I don't see him being able to pull the stuff he has in the past.
In the end I think the Steelers got better with this qb swap. They also dumped Dionte Johnson and Allen Robinson so they should be looking for a wr early. The wildcard will be what Arthur Smith wants to do in his first year. I assume they will be picking a center in the first three rounds as well as a wr, since Smith likes to run the ball.
Omar Kahn is making his mark on this team now, and the dynamic with Tomlin and the rest of the front office will determine how far they go on together. Ownership is getting tired of not winning playoff games. I'm hoping for more non-playoff seasons for the whole load of Steeler folk. I would love nothing more for them to run the ball well, play good defense and not make the playoffs.
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5 hours ago, Matt_In_NH said:
I would not expect an IOL with the first round pick, the value of the player could be there but the value of the position makes it tough. Last year people mocked Torrence to the Bills in the first and they got him in the second. I fully expect DE, DT or WR with the first pick. If it were OL, I would think an OT that fell would be more likely than anything inside.
I wouldn't mind an OT at all. Put your best 5 out there, and if Dawkins moves to guard so be it. I would rather have Josh more comfortable in the pocket at this point in his career. I think that's our best bet to win the superbowl. We have enough guys that can catch the ball now. I could get behind IOL in the second too, let McBeane figure out what to do with the leftovers if things get complicated.
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2 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said:
That is the weirdest QB room on the planet I have to give Mike Tomlin credit he literally has been picking up quarterbacks like he’s sniffing magic markers
I think Omar Kahn is spreading his wings. It's not like the 2023 room was uber talented.
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1 hour ago, Billy Claude said:
This is definitely true with all the other cuts. Morse is the only real surprise especially after trading Bates. There were plenty of teams that would have killed for offensive line depth last year and putting someone in with very little experience at center is very risky.
I'm thinking they didn't promise Bates the starting center job, so he had enough of being a backup. Someone start looking for second round centers, stat!
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1 minute ago, CNYfan said:
How much "cap" on this?
Those 11 draft picks will have a chance to make the roster.
Almost like there was a plan
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16 minutes ago, Einstein said:
It may be the prudent move to let Douglas walk considering his age.
I just don’t know what our CB room is going to be like without him?
Tre coming off 2 ACL injuries, Benford who is often injured, and Elam?
Yikes.
So you're saying we could draft more corners than wr's? 😄
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6 hours ago, FilthyBeast said:
Same but I do think the chances are very high he's played his last game as a Chief because he's made it clear he wants to be the highest paid defensive player in NFL history and he's turning 30 in the offseason so this is his one and only big shot and grabbing the bag so to speak. And quite frankly he's not just another name, he has the resume and showed up big time this year and in the playoffs when it mattered most.
Chiefs would have to franchise him to stay which means Jones could just sit out and then do nothing when he finally is forced to play out the rest of the season so he can be an UFA again in 2025. I don't think he has any interest in making history with a 3peat and all that.
I think the Bears need someone to keep blockers off of Edmunds, and they have some space. Git 'er done Buddy!
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If you really want to, blame Goodell and the NFL. The cost driving the money grabbing originates from the huge contracts these guys negotiate and that in the end just comes out of our pockets. The only thing you can do is not pay for it and/or don't support the advertisers. Not many people are going to do that.
The Bills are on the clock: Pick 33
in The Stadium Wall
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It's the "Best Available Player That I Want"