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That's the part that seems to bypass a lot of fans. There was no error in not drafting N'Gata at all. Apart from the concept that he could have ended up the Mike Williams of DTs(sure things are only sure things in hindsight.....and he was never considered that)......we had just started the T2 D. That being the case, the argument from these fans should be against that decision(going with the T2 D).....not against the following decision(to not draft N'Gata) which was honestly a no-brainer once the first decision had been made.

You mean like at #16 where Jason Allen was drafted?

......and definitely dubious speculation. Aaarggh....no time.....SS is a much higher priority in modern day.....N'Gata was never going to be drafted into the D that had just been put into place......Whitner may/may not have dropped that far.......hindsight, hindsight, hindsight......

As I said to the Dean.....looks like you guys are correct. My excuse is that I'm from Australia & over here there is virtually no American Staffy(known here as the Pit Bull). Sorry about the muck around......though it did help us learn more about the breed

Yep.....looks like you guys are correct. I should have twigged that definitions would vary......what with there being an American Staffy & all. Even over here it is guesswork unless you get the proper pedigree papers with your dog. I agree with the saving a dog you like bit.....though I'd still veer away from those breeds(or crossbreeds) that have the potential genetic disposition to be aggressive. i.e. those trained to fight in the past(yes that includes Staffys).

Your first link(wiki) spelled it out......the UK has bred the Staffy breed which now is considered a unique dog breed. This is not to say that some American Staffys(pitbulls) are not similar in looks/temperament, but that the UK Staffy now has a pedigree which can be traced back. Over here(Australia), the Staffy(UK) is considered a great dog. Like all 'breeds' there is a general uniformity of size, temperament etc. The Pit Bull(US Staffy) has a bad name over here due to there being no proper lineage leading to the random aggressive results.

OK then....SF considers them BOTH pitbulls......the rest of the world doesn't

Read post #9 by The Dean.......The English Staffy is different to the American Staffy(or pitbull).

I'm not going to name him......he seems like a good bloke apart from his fixations. (Also don't want to risk opening up the same can of worms again )

.....I didn't even know about the American Staffy. The English Staffy is the one I'm referring to. Out here, over the last decade, it has become the dog of choice being in the top 5 sellers. Beautiful dog.....beautiful temperament.

I don't want to piss off any pit bull lovers here but......they have been bred over the years to be aggressive. I would steer well clear of the breed, especially if there is any chance the dog could come in contact with children. Add to that what others have said about 'rescue dogs' having the potential of bad previous owners & it's a risk I wouldn't be going anywhere near. My recommendation is the Staffordshire Bull Terrier. Tough looking dog.....no fear of it getting 'picked on' by other dogs.....but absolutely loves people & has that 'happy' attitude all of the time. May be a bit strong for kids/old people though.

I'm a sucker for the "I am soooo right" type post when there are many factors which have obviously been ignored. They quite often open up conversations with other posters on the interesting intricacies of each subject......where good discussion can be had. Being honest......I don't like the concept that a 'radical' ill-thought opinion goes unchecked as it could lead to the reinforcement of common misconceptions. Having a slew of posters backing each other up over irrational logic would really drive me nuts.......and IMO bring down the quality of this 1st class forum.

Since we are strictly talking about drafted players I'd say 'yes' TD was not quite as bad as many believe. However, it's always an individual thing grading players. IMO, character & injury have to be taken into consideration. Going through your list..... Clements, Schobel, McGee & Evans.....all four are very good NFL players I think Aiken, Hagan & Parrish are very good situational NFL players Decent starter/good backups.....Denney, Reed, Kelsay, Crowell, King(maybe) Bannan took way too long to develop for the drafting team. Henry & McGahee had serious issues which ended simply wasting time & resources for the drafting team. Jennings overall injury prone Preston - NO In 5 drafts TD drafted 4 good starters......and 3 OK starters.....with a handful of either backup, serviceable or situational players. In the first 2 post TD drafts.....4 good starters(Whitner, Lynch, Poz, Edwards).....4 OK starters(Williams, Simpson, Butler, Ellison).....and a couple of backup/serviceable or situational players. IMO TD had 'tread water' level drafts overall.

Dubious speculation I believe.

Surely they would have just put a clause in the trade saying that if KC didn't trade them Gonzo, then the deal was voided.

If not too sure of this.....I tend to think that in 2006 the new regime wanted to see what was on the roster. The whole team needed a drastic overhaul and waited a year with stopgap starters to see what our 'potential' players could show. From this they discovered a gem in Peters(holdout situation ignored) and the full realization that we were totally devoid of talent apart from that. With so many areas to fill.....and the knowledge of importance of the OL.....they paid $$$ for Dockery & Walker(obviously feeling it the best chance of building a good OL in short time). With Peters, Dockery, Walker & Butler(whom they obviously felt was panning out, hence new contract)......I can see legit reasons why we have not drafted high on the OL in the last 3 drafts. *I still wanted them to draft Alberts though* BTW, Bill from NYC is 100% correct. There are virtually no HOFer level OTs from the modern era that were not drafted inside the top 8. Also, the hit/miss ratio for 1st round OGs is the best out of any position......they virtually never bust out.

Again with the aggression....the wallbashing.....and the foot in the mouth. My point was...... You refuted this with...... I point out that Stroud actually does fit the system & is a totally different style of player to N'Gata........and your response back is confusing to say the least.

How so? A wonderful person would do a little research before shoving his foot in his mouth.....and highlighting it with 3 wallbashes no less.... N'gata......6'4" 345lbs.....Immovable object Stroud.....6'6" 310lbs.....Penetrating attacker

WOW.....how strong is that Avery kid?

So you're saying that after getting new coaches(including DC).....and deciding on a system that they would run......we should have drafted a player that didn't fit the system? Or perhaps we should have changed the system based upon one 'potential' player who may never have panned out?

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Heh.....old JPL.....how could I have forgotten him 2004 J.P. Losman(22)

The average 1st round hit/bust ratio is nowhere near 2 in 3.

The last 5 drafts..... 2004 Lee Evans(13) 2005 -none- 2006 Donte Whitner(8) 2006 John McCargo(26) 2007 Marshawn Lynch(12) 2008 Leotis McKelvin(11) Last 5 drafts don't look too bad to me.

Natalie Wood was another classic beauty IMO.